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Michigan is the only blueblood......

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    No, you can't be King of the blue bloods
    when you have a losing record against other blue bloods.

    Alabama is
    1-7-1 vs Texas
    2-5 vs ND
    1-2-1 vs Oklahoma
    2-2 vs Michigan
    5-2 vs USC
    3-0 vs Ohio St
    3-2 vs Neb

    Alabama is 17-20-2 vs the other 7

    That's smoke n mirrors, not royalty

    Copied wrong post before. None of that matters though. In theory you could never play any other blue blood school and still win national championships under the current system. The playoff may help that but we will see. All of the teams on that
    List could have 10 straight losing seasons, and they still would be blue bloods. Their ability to go from the bottom to the top in a few years is what sets them apart from other schools.

    Go bucky go

  • Ducksworth said...

    But they have a thousand NCs and are easily the best team right now. So right now, they are king of the blue bloods without question. As BetterOff said, I would have called USC the king of the blue bloods 5 years or so ago.


    No question Alabama is the King of the past 5 years.

    I'm only claiming USC as the king of the past 50 years.

    Michigan the king of the 50 years before that.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • BetterOff said...

    There are 8....but obviously you can't play yourself.

    Alabama Michigan Nebraska Notre Dame Oklahoma Texas USC Ohio St

    OSU?

    They obviously have a good history, but I wouldn't consider them a blue blood.. the other 7 I agree with

    copemoney0

  • copemoney0 said...

    OSU?

    They obviously have a good history, but I wouldn't consider them a blue blood.. the other 7 I agree with

    Sparty gunna sparty.

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  • Sorry but Ohio State is in fact a blue blood. MSU shouldn't even be ITT.

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  • copemoney0 said...

    OSU?

    They obviously have a good history, but I wouldn't consider them a blue blood.. the other 7 I agree with

    7 Heisman's................... 5th all time wins, 3rd all time winning percentage. Mulitple NC's. what else would they have to do to be a blue blood?

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  • copemoney0 said...

    OSU?

    They obviously have a good history, but I wouldn't consider them a blue blood.. the other 7 I agree with

    Ohio State is easily a blue blood. Sparty trying to talk about stuff like this is cute.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I'm only claiming USC as the king of the past 50 years.

    Don't see it.

    FortWorthTide

  • copemoney0 said...

    OSU?

    They obviously have a good history, but I wouldn't consider them a blue blood.. the other 7 I agree with

    Just when I thought you had maxed out on dumbass posts, you go and prove me wrong. Congrats.

    xxmgobluexx

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    No question Alabama is the King of the past 5 years.

    I'm only claiming USC as the king of the past 50 years.

    Michigan the king of the 50 years before that.

    What rock do you live under?? Bama was a little relevant under Bear Bryant, and that was indeed in the last 50 years.

    Yeah, I said it.

    shalvoy

  • FortWorthTide said...

    Well that looks to me like Alabama has a strong winning record against USC and OSU, up 1 on NEB, tied with Michigan and down 1 against OU. Yes we're down to Texas and ND, but over the course of history if you've only played 9 and 7 games against an opponent respectively, sometimes the numbers will fall that way. Considering we have beaten both of those teams for NCs during a dynasty run, I think we've still got a great argument for the king blue blood. USC has the same losing record against us as we do against ND.... So I guess you can't claim it either by your logic.


    USC over the last 50 years (1963-2012)
    vs
    Alabama 2-3
    Michigan 6-1
    Nebraska 3-0-1
    Notre Dame 25-22-3
    Oklahoma 6-2-1
    Texas 2-1
    Ohio St 9-3
    =============
    53-32-3 (62%)
    28-10-2 (73%) (no ND, just games vs the other 6)

    Sorry, but the logic I'm talking about is over the last 50 years USC has been the best,
    against the best.

    True, all-time USC does have a losing record to ND, but SC is still is about 7/8 games over.500
    vs the 7 other blue bloods with around 60 wins.

    A little shorter time frame
    The last 20 years
    (1993-2012)
    ===========
    19-8-1 (70%)
    7-1 vs blue bloods other than ND

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • copemoney0 said...

    OSU?

    They obviously have a good history, but I wouldn't consider them a blue blood.. the other 7 I agree with

    I would definitely swap tOSU with Sparty.roflmao

    Yeah, I said it.

    shalvoy

  • shalvoy said...

    What rock do you live under?? Bama was a little relevant under Bear Bryant, and that was indeed in the last 50 years.


    They were relevant, just not the best.

    We all know what happened when Bear Bryant's best when up against
    USC's best in 1978.

    USC boarded the plane back to LA with a double digit win in Bama's own crib and the National Championship.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    USC over the last 50 years (1963-2012) vs Alabama 2-3 Michigan 6-1 Nebraska 3-0-1 Notre Dame 25-22-3 Oklahoma 6-2-1 Texas 2-1 Ohio St 9-3 ============= 53-32-3 (62%) 28-10-2 (73%) (no ND, just games vs the other 6)

    Sorry, but the logic I'm talking about is over the last 50 years USC has been the best, against the best.

    True, all-time USC does have a losing record to ND, but SC is still is about 7/8 games over.500 vs the 7 other blue bloods with around 60 wins.

    A little shorter time frame The last 20 years (1993-2012) =========== 19-8-1 (70%) 7-1 vs blue bloods other than ND

    Those numbers look great for sure. However, you conveniently quoted only half of my post. The second half about how the numbers against other blue bloods are skewed was cut out. Alabama has played by far the fewest games against the top 8 because the other teams in the group all have at least one rival (and as you pointed out, USC has a losing record against their biggest one). Alabama, on the other hand, played by far the highest number of games (almost double USC's) against the top 14 teams (and it finally gives us a rival or two in the group - seems only fair). 1-8 are undisputed (the group we've referenced in this thread). Teams 9-14 all time using CFB Data Warehouse are LSU, Tenn, GA, FLA, Miami, and Auburn. Alabama has a winning record against all of the Big 6 SEC teams, effectively preventing any of them from getting higher than the #9 spot.

    FortWorthTide

  • FortWorthTide said...

    Those numbers look great for sure. However, you conveniently quoted only half of my post. The second half about how the numbers against other blue bloods are skewed was cut out. Alabama has played by far the fewest games against the top 8 because the other teams in the group all have at least one rival (and as you pointed out, USC has a losing record against their biggest one). Alabama, on the other hand, played by far the highest number of games (almost double USC's) against the top 14 teams (and it finally gives us a rival or two in the group - seems only fair). 1-8 are undisputed (the group we've referenced in this thread). Teams 9-14 all time using CFB Data Warehouse are LSU, Tenn, GA, FLA, Miami, and Auburn. Alabama has a winning record against all of the Big 6 SEC teams, effectively preventing any of them from getting higher than the #9 spot.

    And by the way, the first ranked Pac 12 team after USC is Washington at #20. That's pathetic.

    Pac 12 - 2 top 20 teams all time
    Big 12 - 2
    Big 10 - 5 (and that's if you are willing to give them Minnesota)
    SEC - 7 (with Arkansas at #21 which would make 8)

    So basically your conference plays among the worst collection of all time teams, your only big time rival owns you all-time, etc.

    Doesn't make SC look so tough (especially for you Assassin, since you're all about schedule strength). Looks like the SC schedule strength is the weakest.

    This post was edited by FortWorthTide on 3/20/2013 at 11:11 AM

    FortWorthTide

  • Rabid said...

    These questions you're asking are dumb because eleven NCs and being #1 in all time wins/winning % get us in alone. Doesn't matter the time period. It happened, it counts. Nice try AZ, but Michigan is a blue blood no matter how much you try to think we aren't.

    Soooo.... Princeton >>>>>>> Bama?

    dkerns

  • dkerns said...

    Soooo.... Princeton >>>>>>> Bama?

    Don't play dumb.. Princeton is a d2 school. Totally different scenario.

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  • FortWorthTide said...

    Those numbers look great for sure. However, you conveniently quoted only half of my post. The second half about how the numbers against other blue bloods are skewed was cut out. Alabama has played by far the fewest games against the top 8 because the other teams in the group all have at least one rival (and as you pointed out, USC has a losing record against their biggest one). Alabama, on the other hand, played by far the highest number of games (almost double USC's) against the top 14 teams (and it finally gives us a rival or two in the group - seems only fair). 1-8 are undisputed (the group we've referenced in this thread). Teams 9-14 all time using CFB Data Warehouse are LSU, Tenn, GA, FLA, Miami, and Auburn. Alabama has a winning record against all of the Big 6 SEC teams, effectively preventing any of them from getting higher than the #9 spot.

    No doubt Alabama historically is the best team by far, out of all the teams in the south.

    But it's Bama's mediocre record when they were not playing those teams from the south that raises the question
    of how good they have been from an all-time perspective (I'm not questioning how good they have been
    the past 5 years).

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • FortWorthTide said...

    And by the way, the first ranked Pac 12 team after USC is Washington at #20. That's pathetic.

    Pac 12 - 2 top 20 teams all time Big 12 - 2 Big 10 - 5 (and that's if you are willing to give them Minnesota) SEC - 7 (with Arkansas at #21 which would make 8)

    So basically your conference plays among the worst collection of all time teams, your only big time rival owns you all-time, etc.

    Doesn't make SC look so tough (especially for you Assassin, since you're all about schedule strength). Looks like the SC schedule strength is the weakest.

    Wow, great post, They play in an historically weak conference for sure. Alabama is on top for sure today but things can change quickly. Once Saban is forced to play with the same amount of players as everyone else they will come back to earth. I think tOSU has a chance to be very dominate in the next five years.

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  • BetterOff said...

    That has lost to each of the other 7 bluebloods in their last head to head meeting.

    and

    That has only 1 National Championship in the last 65 years (which was split with a more deserving Nebraska team).

    When does membership get pulled?

    +1...Great thread.

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  • BUT THEY HAVE THE MOST CHAMPIONSHIP SONS!!!!

    dkerns

  • copemoney0 said...

    OSU?

    They obviously have a good history, but I wouldn't consider them a blue blood.. the other 7 I agree with

    Maybe he thought it was Oregon St.

    Go bucky go

  • Assassin strikes again

    This post was edited by z28 foody on 3/20/2013 at 11:23 AM

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  • LegalAlien said...

    7 Heisman's................... 5th all time wins, 3rd all time winning percentage. Mulitple NC's. what else would they have to do to be a blue blood?

    Simply saying, it seems, like UM to an extent, the multi decade stretch of Woody is basically the only thing OSU had that would describe them of a blue blood.. 1 NT since 1970, the JT era, at least in my eyes, lessens OSU with the cheating that took place

    I dunno.. that was my first reaction to reading the list.. they all seemed to belong and I thought OSU was the outlier as it was the Woody era, before that was 1 NT, since Woody left, it's been 1 NT, and that was with JT and let's fact it, cheaters... the multi NC's don't mean anything- MSU has multiple NC's..

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by copemoney0 on 3/20/2013 at 11:41 AM

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    No doubt Alabama historically is the best team by far, out of all the teams in the south.

    But it's Bama's mediocre record when they were not playing those teams from the south that raises the question of how good they have been from an all-time perspective (I'm not questioning how good they have been the past 5 years).

    Still not sure how you twist it that way. Texas and ND are our two worst records against that group. Texas may as well be the south. ND is Midwest. The best team on the West Coast (SC) has a 2-5 disadvantage against Alabama. I know your response will be "1978", but that's only one game. Even though it was a big game, it doesn't give you the all time trump card, just as our '09 NC doesn't give us an all time trump card over Texas.

    Alabama, ND, and USC are often the most hotly debated for the top spot all time. You have a losing record against both of the others, and it isn't particularly close in either case. You play in the weakest all time conference. I may as well give up on that note, because I know you will twist it with some new time period, some new set of teams, some neutral/road alignment of games.... blah, blah, blah. Fact is that your team plays the weakest schedules of the blue bloods, and has losing records against the two other most elite schools. I don't know how else to put it to you in any simpler terms.

    This post was edited by FortWorthTide on 3/20/2013 at 11:33 AM

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