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Trevor Barnes said...
The problem with that logic though is that the NFL has playoff games all the time in outdoor stadiums with "severe" weather. They take the Playoffs pretty seriously in the NFL. I see no reason why the NCAA wouldn't have similar standards.
I don't consider snow to be severe incidentally, a white-out blizzard, maybe, but not an average snow shower.
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MrWoodson said...
That's absurd. First, even a 50,000 seat stadium with tickets priced at $50 each would generate $2.5 million. That is over four times what it would cost for the visiting team to travel to the game. Second, the vast majority of money is made on TV revenue. That is how BCS bowls can pay each team close to $20 million. TV revenue for a semifinal game will be equally massive regardless of whether the game is played at a 50,000 seat college stadium or a 65,000 seat NFL stadium. The difference in ticket revenue is relatively small in the grand scheme if things. Third, most major college stadiums are as large or larger than nearly all NFL stadiums. That means unless you believe BSU or UConn regularly will end up ranked #1 or #2 and get home field advantage in a semifinal, the stadium size argument actually supports the home field advantage model.
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SignalBama said...
Good pointed argument. A few things to point out though. NFL averages a higher attendance than the NCAA. Sure you have major programs in the NCAA with large stadiums. But the worst attendance in the NFL was 49,251(The Bengals). The NCAA average home attendance for the 2010 season for the entire NCAA division was was 45,912 per home game (link provided below). Their may be more larger stadiums in the NCAA but their are 3 times the number of smaller stadiums. Just because the NCAA has large stadiums doesn't mean they average more fans per game.
As for television revenue... It is guaranteed now to a certain extent regardless of ratings. With a new system they have to go renegotiate that. You bet your bottom dollar they are going to look for the best potential package to take to the stations that broadcasts those games. This is my overall point. They will always look to make more money or at least maintain what they already make. Hopefully for all of you arguing for home games they can get as much for those games as the current BCS payout. Everything right now is an estimate and these guys are used to working with the bowl format and guaranteed money. They don't want to see the schools they represent or the conference to take in less money because of a change of format. This has always been what stopped a playoff in College Football. Hopefully it works out this time.
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You are comparing regular season attendance figures, including the figures for teams that have no chance of hosting a semifinal. I guarantee you that the college semifinal games, just like NFL playoff games, will be sold out regardless of the average regular season attendance figures.
The four team playoff adds two semifinal games. The TV revenue alone for those games probably will be at least in the range of $50-$100 million. There is zero chance that any of the options under consideration generate less money than the status quo. Also, as I stated above, there is absolutely no evidence that the TV ratings/revenue will be lower if the games are held at college stadiums instead of NFL stadiums. For all we know, the ratings/revenue could be higher at college stadiums. You are just throwing random hypothetical objections at the wall hoping that one of them sticks. If you have evidence that the TV ratings/revenue will be higher under one of the proposals, please provide it. Otherwise, let's stick to facts.
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MrWoodson said...
If you are talking about the money spent on air travel, hotel rooms and restaurants, I agree. It will be less. But it is not the responsibility of CFB to support the tourist industry in half a dozen select cities in the South and West. In fact, that is one of the major reasons that many of the conferences are suddenly supporting a playoff (see Dan Weztel's recent article and Larry Scott's quotes in that article).
Shouldn't an Alabama fan prefer a format that supports the local economy in Tuscaloosa rather than the local economy in Dallas? Same with an LSU fan favoting Baton Rouge over New Orleans. New Orleans already gets the Sugar Bowl every year and even a Super Bowl every few years. And cities like Dallas and New Orleans will almost certainly get the tourism revenue from the newly created NCAA championship game a fair amount of the time. Do they really need all the semifinal tourism revenue too?
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SignalBama said...
Championship BCS games in College are lower rated than NFL playoff games. They will likely never reach NFL numbers. Again my point is this is all an estimate. Why do you think they just don't decide on a format and run with it ? They all have an agenda to get the most revenue for the conferences they represent. If they allowed the fans to make the choices I am willing to bet the mass majority (Yes including Southerners) would choose home games for the first round. Like I said you make a good argument. All but the TV ratings thing... I mean if a college title game can't beat an NFL playoff game then an NCAA playoff game won't do it. But it could generate numbers similar to BCS title games hopefully. I was the one sticking to facts... You keep throwing out estimates and what ifs.
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SignalBama said...
Could you provide a link of Slive saying he was against home playoff games ? All I saw was this article when I used google. I'll check back later to see what you posted.
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