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More FSU/Clemson smoke.

  • AQ was done away with, and the Big XII found its new Commissioner. The number of $30 Million per team is being floated around. Just something to keep an eye on. Brian Ethridge(Baylor mod) even went as far to say June/July announcement. WVU officially joins July 1st, so interesting timing. FSU and Clemson both held meetings to discuss their athletics right after the Big XII added TCU and WVU.

    Not saying its going to happen, of course, but it would be tough for schools not to make the jump with those huge figures being thrown at them.

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  • I soooooo wish we would. Fvck the ACC I hate everything about their Tabacco road favoring asses.

    TNoles813

  • T-Noles813 said...

    I soooooo wish we would. Fvck the ACC I hate everything about their Tabacco road favoring asses.

    +1

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    duvalnole

  • I would like to stick around for at least the next few years so we can beat the crap out of everybody then bounce on the check

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  • MarineMountie said...

    AQ was done away with, and the Big XII found its new Commissioner. The number of $30 Million per team is being floated around. Just something to keep an eye on. Brian Ethridge(Baylor mod) even went as far to say June/July announcement. WVU officially joins July 1st, so interesting timing. FSU and Clemson both held meetings to discuss their athletics right after the Big XII added TCU and WVU.

    Not saying its going to happen, of course, but it would be tough for schools not to make the jump with those huge figures being thrown at them.

    so you're saying fsu/clemson to the big 12?

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  • ejb5212 said...

    so you're saying fsu/clemson to the big 12?

    The only thing that makes sense to me about this is that the ACC and B12 clearly are vying to be the fourth major football conference and the B12 has to feel a bit shaky with only 10 teams and the knowledge that UT could decide to go independent or even jump to the P12 at some point in the future. If I were the remaining members in the B12, I would be actively looking for at least two more true football schools as members. That does not mean this is a move FSU or Clemson would make, but it would not surprise me to learn they've been approached.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 5/3/2012 at 12:40 AM

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  • Much of this smoke seems to be emanating from WV. I'm really suspecting that this is nothing more than a whole lotta butthurt that the ACC & SEC turned down their overtures. Time will tell-

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  • MrBlofeld said...

    Much of this smoke seems to be emanating from WV. I'm really suspecting that this is nothing more than a whole lotta butthurt that the ACC & SEC turned down their overtures. Time will tell-

    This isn't coming from the WVU end. Actually, there isn't even a word of this over on our board. Any of our boards for that matter.

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  • Perhaps not this specific issue, Mountie, but a great deal of the speculation about FSU/Clemson's long term home (for some months now) has been driven by WV folks. I can think of one person in particular, and he goes by the name 'The Dude' shrug

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  • MrBlofeld said...

    Perhaps not this specific issue, Mountie, but a great deal of the speculation about FSU/Clemson's long term home (for some months now) has been driven by WV folks. I can think of one person in particular, and he goes by the name 'The Dude' shrug

    The Dude copied from Greg Swaim, who is kind of like the Big 12 Finebaum. Swaim pointed out the Clemson and FSU meetings that happened. Clemson and FSU were approached months ago about joining the Big 12.

    BTW, the only schools that voted against WVU were the Tobacco Road schools. The football schools weren't happy about that. Actually, they were so unhappy about it they held ANOTHER vote trying to sway NC State. They didn't budge because of the UNC/Duke/Wake pressure. WVU fans wanted the Big 12 over the ACC in the first place because its a football first conference. WVU brass wanted ACC because of location.

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  • Realistically WVU sould've gotten in in the 1st ACC expansion last decade, instead of BC. I can understand why the ACC wanted to move north up the coast so as not to be hemmed in, but the M'Eers would've beena much better add.

    Having said that, I really expect the Pres/Chancellors of FSU/Clemson as well as their BoT's will have some serious academic reservations about switching conferences as the B12 doesn't have that academic arm, ala the B1G & ACC-

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    I would like to stick around for at least the next few years so we can beat the crap out of everybody then bounce on the check

    A little eat-n-skeet?

    buttesnake

  • MrBlofeld said...

    Perhaps not this specific issue, Mountie, but a great deal of the speculation about FSU/Clemson's long term home (for some months now) has been driven by WV folks. I can think of one person in particular, and he goes by the name 'The Dude' shrug

    This isn't rocket science. It's fairly basic math. FSU is a major football school in one of the largest states in the country. Likewise, Clemson is a major football school in a state with a growing population that loves football. And currently the B12 can offer slightly more than the ACC in TV revenues, which provides a possible motive for the two ACC schools to consider an offer. Those are the same factors that caused people to speculate about the SEC going after these two schools a year ago. If the B12 is seeking to expand (and they probably are), these two schools are almost certainly on their short list. It doesn't mean this is going to happen, but it doesn't take inside info to know that this is something the B12 might very well be actively pursuing.

    MrWoodson

  • Simply because the B12 might be interested doesn't mean for a moment that these 2 schools are. And unless/until there is a move, this all sounds like butthurtery championed by WVU fans on message boards who want to see the ACC damaged in some way. It's understandable, to a degree, most of their regional neighbors not wanting them. There's upset feelings there, emotions of inadequacy. Perfectly normal, if somewhat unhealthy to wish misery upon those rejecting you. Those promoting this pie in the sky line need to move on, it's that simple.

    Here are the more likely scenarios of why FSU/Clemson may be 'acting' like they 'could' move:

    1) It's a CYA move, depending on what happens w/ conf. realignment, those in charge definitely don't want to get caught asleep at the wheel (or accused of such).
    2) They are sending a message to the ACC that they are unhappy w/the course/shape of expansion in their conf.
    3) And most likely, they are sending a message to ESPN that the ACC had better get paid, at least competitively with the other major conferences.

    Outside of these three items, much of the rest of the hoping that these 2 schools move to the B12, is just that .. wishful thinking. But as I said, time will tell..

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  • The only problem with all this is...ACC recently upped their buyout clause to $20 million and FSU and possibly Clemson doesn't have that kind of cash

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  • MrBlofeld said...

    Simply because the B12 might be interested doesn't mean for a moment that these 2 schools are. And unless/until there is a move, this all sounds like butthurtery championed by WVU fans on message boards who want to see the ACC damaged in some way. It's understandable, to a degree, most of their regional neighbors not wanting them. There's upset feelings there, emotions of inadequacy. Perfectly normal, if somewhat unhealthy to wish misery upon those rejecting you. Those promoting this pie in the sky line need to move on, it's that simple.

    Here are the more likely scenarios of why FSU/Clemson may be 'acting' like they 'could' move:

    1) It's a CYA move, depending on what happens w/ conf. realignment, those in charge definitely don't want to get caught asleep at the wheel (or accused of such). 2) They are sending a message to the ACC that they are unhappy w/the course/shape of expansion in their conf. 3) And most likely, they are sending a message to ESPN that the ACC had better get paid, at least competitively with the other major conferences.

    Outside of these three items, much of the rest of the hoping that these 2 schools move to the B12, is just that .. wishful thinking. But as I said, time will tell..

    Come on. Most? 4 out of 12 schools voted no. How is that most?

    Like I said, every WVU fan that I have spoken with in person or on message boards wanted the Big 12, and that was before Tobacco Road rejected WVU. The FSU/Clemson talk did not start with WVU fans, as much as you wish they did. They originated in Texas. Don't turn this into some stupid flame war.

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  • FSU3456 said...

    The only problem with all this is...ACC recently upped their buyout clause to $20 million and FSU and possibly Clemson doesn't have that kind of cash

    Big 12 paid $9 Million of WVU's buyout. Something to keep in mind.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Big 12 paid $9 Million of WVU's buyout. Something to keep in mind.

    true but FSU is running a deficit budget for next year and we're likely going to have to dig up loose change from the couch just to pay for basketball coaches raises, let alone a portion of a supposed buyout fee

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Come on. Most? 4 out of 12 schools voted no. How is that most?

    Like I said, every WVU fan that I have spoken with in person or on message boards wanted the Big 12, and that was before Tobacco Road rejected WVU. The FSU/Clemson talk did not start with WVU fans, as much as you wish they did. They originated in Texas. Don't turn this into some stupid flame war.

    Not trying to flame, Mountie, not at all. I understand very well the desire for R.evenge on those who we feel have in some way wronged us. The course I would counsel is, to quote an old saying, 'Revenge is a dish best served cold.' You gotta know when and where to pick your battles, know when to hold 'em & know when to fold 'em, and such. In this case, it would seem that a mountain is being made of a molehill.

    Look, if the B12 is getting paid considerably more than the ACC will be, well then, to quote another saying, 'Living well is the best revenge' cool

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  • SEC > Texas Conference

    Noles, why not the SEC?

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  • wps88 said...

    SEC > Texas Conference

    Noles, why not the SEC?

    If the SEC wanted them, Missouri would still be in the Big 12.

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  • wps88 said...

    SEC > Texas Conference

    Noles, why not the SEC?

    Interestingly enough, as the rumor mill starts up again, they just might now.

    With this new smoke about FSU to the Big 12 I've heard the SEC has taken notice. They do not want another major football conference moving into Florida (ACC would still have Miami) - especially a conference with Texas and OU.

    They may consider also pursing FSU to protect their largest market. Obviously they've also added Texas as a market but Florida is much more established.

    Again, this is just very early rumor mill stuff being floated around.

    GO NOLES!

    1st_and_NOLE

  • FSU and Clemson to the SEC would make too much since. Easy to move Mizzou to the West to balance the divisions. Problem is that Florida and South Carolina would never go for it and have gotten Kentucky and UGA on board to block any instate additions, along with Lohuisville and Ga Tech. Those 4 schools seem scared to lose their conference advantage for instate recruiting.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    FSU and Clemson to the SEC would make too much since. Easy to move Mizzou to the West to balance the divisions. Problem is that Florida and South Carolina would never go for it and have gotten Kentucky and UGA on board to block any instate additions, along with Lohuisville and Ga Tech. Those 4 schools seem scared to lose their conference advantage for instate recruiting.

    Well let's just add Troy and UAB then. Of course we don't want to give up recruiting advantages.

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  • Citing Brian ethridge as a source? Lulz

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