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How can you assume something that isn't provable?

I didn't mean monotheism came after polytheism, I meant monotheism was unique in that unlike polytheism(and pantheism for that matter), it makes use of self-probativity (you must believe in this god, the only "true" god).

You can't use the thing we are arguing to prove your something true in fact, but prove something of your faith, which again doesn't make it factually true (no circular reasoning).

I know I'm fallible, but I can say something's definitely true(the sky looks blue to us or I am currently 5"10) and know something without knowing everything. I don't need a deity to prove my fallibility, it's inherent.

Your last statement is completely absurd. So someone who knows nothing except of a supposed omnipotent deity somehow vicariously knows everything? Really?

You also can't prove omnipotence either,so.

All reasoning is circular reasoning Bama. We all begin from a certain jumping off point in an effort to find our way back. You're really good at impressive semantics. I'm not saying that to be patronistic. But, you'll learn that simple arguments usually win the day. As a fellow 5'10" male I can tell you definitively that being fallible is inherent to us all. And that is precisely the reason we need the infallible to truly know anything. Think about it. And, in reality we all use some form of faith. You folks who think you can know anything w/o an omniscient God practice faith more than any of us. There's just so much you must assume to hold the views that you seem to hold. It's not absurd when you're more interested in objectivity and truth than you are at being some sort of rebel simply b/c you think it's sexy to be different and smarter than everyone else. I used to be the same way so i'm not judging.

Bama, stop being a little baby. I do know you. And, you're done b/c you don't like it when you've been backed into an intellectual corner. I know the type, I've debated them many times. Like it or not I've been exactly where you are or, or pretty close to it. The truth is, if we're being intellectually honest, you cannot logically say you know anything unless you know everything. There's no way out of that logical quandry. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it any less true. I found my way back to my childhood faith b/c after years of wandering I realized I was being the douche. I have been there and back again in the realm of religion/philosophy/meaning of life stuff. Jesus is the truth. I don't know how to say it w/o sounding condescending. But, I really think you have something more than most. No one on this board understands the intricacies and realities of economics and some realms of politics any better than you, for example. I just hate to see you waste your God given gifts on that which is intellectually beneath you and consistently illogical in the realm of what really matters.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/sep/26/morgan-freeman-tea-party-racism-obama

Claims the tea party is racist...

What a freaking joke.

+1 Great Actor...not so enlightened otherwise. George Clooney takes the cake for actors thinking they're smarter than they really are though.

Clooney= fvcking moron imo
i don't watch movies so I don't contribute any money to these effing nutjobs

There is no logical quandry. Your premise that we can not know anything if we do not know everything is just pure horse crap. Have you demonstrated this statement you are treating as a tautology to be anything other than something just made up by you on the spot? It doesn't even make sense logically. Even if there was a god that knew everything, that god would not be us. Therefore, we would still know nothing in your world. Well, now that I think of it, maybe its true for you.

I have not been shown anything that leads me to conclude that a god exists. That is after years spent looking to religion for answers.

That first statement, in no way shape or form, makes any sense whatsoever. That is complete nonsense.

I also love your logical thought process for believing in god:
1. I'm being 'the douche'
2. ?????
3. God must exist.

Firstly Omega, insults are beneath you and have no place in productive debate. Be a grown up please. Those who use insults don't have much else to offer. Secondly, you haven't thought it through all the way. My understanding of the world, universe, meaning of life, etc., has grown exponentially during my lifetime. Many of my previously held beliefs have ended up wrong, sometimes even the exact opposite of right. Without a complete frame of reference many things seem true with limited knowledge only to be proven wrong when additional truth comes to the fore. So again, logically, you cannot rightfully or definitively say you know anything without knowing everything. If you cannot see all ends you always have to allow for the possibility that you're wrong. Since none of us knows everything we would need to rely one one who does know everything in order to know anything. You haven't fully and objectively looked at Jesus yet.

The idea that we can know nothing until we know everything is completely insane. We know, for example, that Rueben Foster has verbally committed to play football for Alabama. We also know things like gravity is a force on two objects of mass and results in the distance between those two objects shrinking.

That said, there are also things we do not know. For example, we do not know whether Robert Nkediche will play football for a particular university. We also don't know if the flying spaghetti monster is looking over us. I don't know what you had for breakfast this morning. You, on the other hand, probably do know what you had for breakfast.

And the second statement was simply me spelling out your given logical reason for believing in god (and, not just any particular god, but the one you were raised to believe as a child - what a strange coincidence that is).

I must have missed the philosophical discussion on absolute reality between all the incest, raping, murder, and pillaging. Care to show verses?

The Greek understanding of truth and all wisdom was the "Logos" - or, designed order of all things. It was more or less the pinnacle of understanding and the place where all truth flowed. John 1 says that the logic of God came and dwelt here, and that all men in the world have some light of that logic, but that it's only a dim reflection of the "fullness".

I know that people that view the bible poorly spotlight the evil, but It's not like you don't know that the bible makes absolute claims.

There has to be absolute truth, to get me to believe otherwise, you'd have to appeal with a logic that was truer.