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  • There is no way around it anymore. The stadiums aren't filling up, 90% of schools can't sell their allotment because a lot of times they cost double what they cost on stubhub and other sites. Also, if you buy them from the university they can't even tell you where your seat will be. That doesn't change the bowls from forcing the schools a certain allotment. Read this...

    By Kevin Lyttle

    When college football fans tune in to the two bowl games tonight, they will see an increasingly rare sight: stadiums jammed with people.

    The Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando, Fla., which matches Notre Dame and Florida State, qualifies as the first sellout of the bowl season, and 65,000 fannies are expected to be in the seats.

    The Alamo Bowl in San Antonio between Baylor and Washington is close to being a sellout, and at least 63,000 should be on hand. Hey, it never hurts to have a Heisman Trophy winner in the house.

    But with 12 of 35 bowl games in the books, one of the most common reactions has been "Where is everyone?''

    Ticket sales are nearly on par with recent seasons, yet more ticketholders are coming dressed as empty seats. Fans are blaming the sluggish economy, glut of bowls and unattractive matchups.

    The Independence Bowl between Missouri and North Carolina announced a crowd of 41,728, but the actual number of bodies on hand was barely 20,000. The Hawaii Bowl reported 32,630 tickets sold; the head count was more like 10,000.

    Bowls list their attendance as the number of tickets distributed, not the number of people in the stands.

    The Holiday Bowl predicted about 60,000 tickets would be sold, but Texas had peddled barely 3,600 of its 11,000 allotment by Tuesday, according to the UT ticket office. The Longhorns donated the rest to the Marine Corps, Navy, YMCA and a youth group named STAR/PAL, according to Bruce Binkowski of the San Diego Bowl Association.

    Schools and their conferences are on the hook for the portion of their ticket allotments that they don't sell, so they usually donate the tickets and take the financial hit. Last year, UConn lost $1.8 million on its Fiesta Bowl trip because it sold only 3,000 of its allotment of 17,500 tickets .

    Not even the big bowls are immune to the ticket-buying malaise. After tonight the only sure-fire sellouts the rest of the way are the Cotton, Rose and BCS championship game.

    The Fiesta is doing well with Oklahoma State snapping up more than 20,000 tickets and Stanford 17,500. The Chick-fil-A in Atlanta, matching Auburn and Virginia, is hopeful of extending its sellout streak to 15 straight games ? second longest to the Rose. And that's it.

    Good seats remain for all the other bowls, including the Orange and Sugar.

    The Orange has two teams that "travel well,'' but neither Clemson (8,500) nor West Virginia (11,000) have come close to selling the 17,500-ticket allotment. And many of the tickets purchased by those teams' fans have been donated to veterans or military personnel.

    "I'll be watching the Tigers on my big-screen, hi-def TV,'' said long-time Clemson fan Jeff Thomas of Greenville, S.C. "It would cost around $1,500 to fly to Miami, stay two or three nights and deal with all the expenses. Plus, it's a middle-of-the-week game after the New Year's holiday, and you'd eat up vacation time toward 2012.''

    Virginia Tech, a controversial Sugar Bowl choice, has had soft sales of about 10,000 tickets.

    Fans point to another problem. They say it's often cheaper to buy tickets through the secondary market than through their school. The lowest face value on a Sugar Bowl ticket is $120, yet StubHub has some for under $20. Orange Bowl tickets cost $99 and up through the schools but start at $40 on StubHub.

    Many bowls aren't selling no matter where you buy the seats. Gator officials figured Florida and Ohio State would fill up their stadium, but neither school has sold its 12,500-ticket allotment. Even Nebraska fans have come up well short of reaching their Capital One Bowl guarantee of 11,000.

    There are some notable successes. Kansas State and Arkansas have gobbled up 20,000-plus tickets to the Cotton; Boise State took 15,000 to Las Vegas; and Air Force sold 10,500 for the Military Bowl. Thanks to Texas A&M's large presence in Houston, the Meineke Car Care Bowl has peddled 63,000 seats. Other bowls should be so lucky.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    There is no way around it anymore. The stadiums aren't filling up, 90% of schools can't sell their allotment because a lot of times they cost double what they cost on stubhub and other sites. Also, if you buy them from the university they can't even tell you where your seat will be. That doesn't change the bowls from forcing the schools a certain allotment. Read this...

    By Kevin Lyttle

    When college football fans tune in to the two bowl games tonight, they will see an increasingly rare sight: stadiums jammed with people.

    The Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando, Fla., which matches Notre Dame and Florida State, qualifies as the first sellout of the bowl season, and 65,000 fannies are expected to be in the seats.

    The Alamo Bowl in San Antonio between Baylor and Washington is close to being a sellout, and at least 63,000 should be on hand. Hey, it never hurts to have a Heisman Trophy winner in the house.

    But with 12 of 35 bowl games in the books, one of the most common reactions has been "Where is everyone?''

    Ticket sales are nearly on par with recent seasons, yet more ticketholders are coming dressed as empty seats. Fans are blaming the sluggish economy, glut of bowls and unattractive matchups.

    The Independence Bowl between Missouri and North Carolina announced a crowd of 41,728, but the actual number of bodies on hand was barely 20,000. The Hawaii Bowl reported 32,630 tickets sold; the head count was more like 10,000.

    Bowls list their attendance as the number of tickets distributed, not the number of people in the stands.

    The Holiday Bowl predicted about 60,000 tickets would be sold, but Texas had peddled barely 3,600 of its 11,000 allotment by Tuesday, according to the UT ticket office. The Longhorns donated the rest to the Marine Corps, Navy, YMCA and a youth group named STAR/PAL, according to Bruce Binkowski of the San Diego Bowl Association.

    Schools and their conferences are on the hook for the portion of their ticket allotments that they don't sell, so they usually donate the tickets and take the financial hit. Last year, UConn lost $1.8 million on its Fiesta Bowl trip because it sold only 3,000 of its allotment of 17,500 tickets .

    Not even the big bowls are immune to the ticket-buying malaise. After tonight the only sure-fire sellouts the rest of the way are the Cotton, Rose and BCS championship game.

    The Fiesta is doing well with Oklahoma State snapping up more than 20,000 tickets and Stanford 17,500. The Chick-fil-A in Atlanta, matching Auburn and Virginia, is hopeful of extending its sellout streak to 15 straight games ? second longest to the Rose. And that's it.

    Good seats remain for all the other bowls, including the Orange and Sugar.

    The Orange has two teams that "travel well,'' but neither Clemson (8,500) nor West Virginia (11,000) have come close to selling the 17,500-ticket allotment. And many of the tickets purchased by those teams' fans have been donated to veterans or military personnel.

    "I'll be watching the Tigers on my big-screen, hi-def TV,'' said long-time Clemson fan Jeff Thomas of Greenville, S.C. "It would cost around $1,500 to fly to Miami, stay two or three nights and deal with all the expenses. Plus, it's a middle-of-the-week game after the New Year's holiday, and you'd eat up vacation time toward 2012.''

    Virginia Tech, a controversial Sugar Bowl choice, has had soft sales of about 10,000 tickets.

    Fans point to another problem. They say it's often cheaper to buy tickets through the secondary market than through their school. The lowest face value on a Sugar Bowl ticket is $120, yet StubHub has some for under $20. Orange Bowl tickets cost $99 and up through the schools but start at $40 on StubHub.

    Many bowls aren't selling no matter where you buy the seats. Gator officials figured Florida and Ohio State would fill up their stadium, but neither school has sold its 12,500-ticket allotment. Even Nebraska fans have come up well short of reaching their Capital One Bowl guarantee of 11,000.

    There are some notable successes. Kansas State and Arkansas have gobbled up 20,000-plus tickets to the Cotton; Boise State took 15,000 to Las Vegas; and Air Force sold 10,500 for the Military Bowl. Thanks to Texas A&M's large presence in Houston, the Meineke Car Care Bowl has peddled 63,000 seats. Other bowls should be so lucky.

    looks like the bowl system is working just the way they want it to.

    they be all like, benefitting the sht out of schools...

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  • DickMcJunkin said...

    looks like the bowl system is working just the way they want it to.

    they be all like, benefitting the sht out of schools...

    That is exactly what they are doing. Read the other day that the B1G splits all the unsold tickets among the 12 schools, and they pay for whatever wasn't sold.

    If I was going to the Orange Bowl there is no way in hell I would order from WVU. You think WVU will only send 11,000? Hell no. I guarantee another 10,000 to 15,000 has ordered tickets on stubhub or other sites because you can pick where you want to sit, and you don't pay as much. Of course the Orange Bowl is loving this since WVU has to pay them for unsold tickets. Oliver Luck said yesterday that WVU's goal is to only lose $1 Million dollars to the Orange Bowl. What does that say? And WVU is known for traveling fans. Its just the way the bowls are screwing universities out of money by pricing and minimum allotments.

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  • You sound like some sorta creepy idealist...

    Oh wait...you thought the bowl system benefited schools... Ha ha ha

    Just another example of college football communism... The schools that do well pay for the losses in revenue sharing

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  • Has ha ha... But it's good, right? Cuz just like in communism, the cronies get pizzaid!

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  • In before SEC circle jerk.

    I believe Clemson's numbers are closer to 12k now, but not positive. Plus, why would you buy a ticket through IPTAY at $155 a piece when you can go on Stubhub and get none for $20?

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  • Clemson said...

    In before SEC circle jerk.

    I believe Clemson's numbers are closer to 12k now, but not positive. Plus, why would you buy a ticket through IPTAY at $155 a piece when you can go on Stubhub and get none for $20?

    The Bowl committees know this, and that is why they jack up the prices while knowing that the schools are obligated to purchase a certain amount of tickets. Its actually a bigger problem than it seems and really needs to be looked into by someone or even the government.

    I will say, though... Nice job Baylor and Washington fans.

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  • Marine,

    I don't know a lot about your team this year. So, what can you tell me? How's y'all's dline and secondary?

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  • Good, i hope nobody shows

    The sooner people stop going the sooner bowls die and universities stop getting it up thy anus

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  • Clemson said...

    Marine,

    I don't know a lot about your team this year. So, what can you tell me? How's y'all's dline and secondary?

    Dline is phenomenal. Bruce Irvin is possibly a first round pick in the 2012 draft, at worst early 2nd. He is a pass rusher and demands double team on every play. The other end is also a senior and is great on the pass rush. Tajh Boyd will be feeling heat all day. Secondary is young, so its hit and miss with those guys. A lot of talent back there with Tandy, Cook, Smith, and Garvin. Linebackers are the weak link of the defense. If Clemson likes to use their tight end then it could be a long day. I think we just say screw the tight end on 70% of plays. Check out the stats of the Syracuse tight end against us this year. It was pathetic. Believe he had 3 TD's and 200 yards receiving.

    I'm excited to see Geno Smith, Tavon Austin, and Stedman Bailey against the Clemson secondary.

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Good, i hope nobody shows

    The sooner people stop going the sooner bowls die and universities stop getting it up thy anus

    Champs Sports Bowl is the first sellout this bowl seasonlol

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Dline is phenomenal. Bruce Irvin is possibly a first round pick in the 2012 draft, at worst early 2nd. He is a pass rusher and demands double team on every play. The other end is also a senior and is great on the pass rush. Tajh Boyd will be feeling heat all day. Secondary is young, so its hit and miss with those guys. A lot of talent back there with Tandy, Cook, Smith, and Garvin. Linebackers are the weak link of the defense. If Clemson likes to use their tight end then it could be a long day. I think we just say screw the tight end on 70% of plays. Check out the stats of the Syracuse tight end against us this year. It was pathetic. Believe he had 3 TD's and 200 yards receiving.

    I'm excited to see Geno Smith, Tavon Austin, and Stedman Bailey against the Clemson secondary.

    It brings me joy that y'all cannot stop the tight end. Luckily for us, we have probably the first tight end to go on the draft. I'm looking forward to Hopkins, Watkins, and Allen lined up against your secondary.

    Does Geno Smith stay in the pocket, or is he a runner?

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Champs Sports Bowl is the first sellout this bowl seasonlol

    Figures

    FSU and ND fans are as ridiculous as they come

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  • Clemson said...

    It brings me joy that y'all cannot stop the tight end. Luckily for us, we have probably the first tight end to go on the draft. I'm looking forward to Hopkins, Watkins, and Allen lined up against your secondary.

    Does Geno Smith stay in the pocket, or is he a runner?

    Pocket passer, only runs if he has to. Bailey is his favorite target and likely a future NFL starter at WR. He reminds me of a Steve Smith/Hines Ward hybrid. Austin is the big play threat. He will get the ball many different ways.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Pocket passer, only runs if he has to. Bailey is his favorite target and likely a future NFL starter at WR. He reminds me of a Steve Smith/Hines Ward hybrid. Austin is the big play threat. He will get the ball many different ways.

    That's great news for us. Not gonna predict the game, but would much rather play against a pocket passer than a QB who runs all over the damn field.

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  • Clemson said...

    That's great news for us. Not gonna predict the game, but would much rather play against a pocket passer than a QB who runs all over the damn field.

    This short highlight video will give you a great idea on how our offense works.

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    WVU Highlights: Top Plays from the 2011 Fo...

    A sample of a few of the top plays from the WVU Mountaineer's 2011 Football Season.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/FNdYKD76PqI
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  • Clemson said...

    That's great news for us. Not gonna predict the game, but would much rather play against a pocket passer than a QB who runs all over the damn field.

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  • COOTERUSC77 said...

    censored you.

    I don't mind losing to players of Clowney's, Ingram's, or Jeffery's caliber. But the fact that we let a mediocre QB that wears a f'n glove run all over us, really cuts me deep.

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  • Clemson said...

    you.

    I don't mind losing to players of Clowney's, Ingram's, or Jeffery's caliber. But the fact that we let a mediocre QB that wears a f'n glove run all over us, really cuts me deep.

    roflmao He threw all over you as well. I dont think Shaw is mediocre at all. He manages games and can throw a good deep ball if given the time(Bruce Ellington bomb in Clemson game). I look for him to get better and better. Im anxious to see how he performs against Nebraska..we usually dont show up in bowl games..especially our QBs.

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  • The tix they give the schools suck. You end up paying premium prices to sit in a corner or the top of the stadium.

    I bought a couple lower level seats online that came out to like $5 more than what I'd get from the school in the upper deck, and that was with the astronomical fees online brokers charge. Granted it's end zone and I could have gotten cheaper ones on the Nebraska side, but I don't really care.

    PTCcock195

  • I feel like teams are just using the stub hub excuse. Then why did Kansas State and Arkansas both sell out?

    Hot Sauce

  • Hot Sauce said...

    I feel like teams are just using the stub hub excuse. Then why did Kansas State and Arkansas both sell out?

    Because Jerry World is awesome and Dallas is way better than where they'd be for NYE.

    PTCcock195

  • Hot Sauce said...

    I feel like teams are just using the stub hub excuse. Then why did Kansas State and Arkansas both sell out?

    I'm not necessarily using it as an excuse, just stating why I would never purchase a bowl ticket through the school, unless I just had money to throw away. I am kind of surprised we haven't sold more tickets, but you aren't gonna find a lot of people with real jobs that can take 4 days off after New Year's and then drop $700 or $800 a person to go to Miami.

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  • Clemson said...

    I'm not necessarily using it as an excuse, just stating why I would never purchase a bowl ticket through the school, unless I just had money to throw away. I am kind of surprised we haven't sold more tickets, but you aren't gonna find a lot of people with real jobs that can take 4 days off after New Year's and then drop $700 or $800 a person to go to Miami.

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  • PTCcock195 said...

    wave. I'll loan you $12.00.

    If you pay for my transportation, hotel accommodations, and time I will miss at work, we may be onto something.

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