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My take on the TR/MD debate....

  • A lot has been made of comparing the two starting RBs in the state of Alabama. Both are going to go for over 1000 yards and double digit TDs this season. Here is my breakdown of the two on an F to A+ scale.

    Richardson:

    Top End Speed: B+
    Strength: A+
    Lateral Quickness: B+
    Acceleration: B
    Balance: B+
    Vision: B+
    Hands: A
    Durability: A
    Patience: B
    Overall: A

    Dyer:

    Top End Speed: B
    Strength: A
    Lateral Quickness: B+
    Acceleration: A-
    Balance: A+
    Vision: B
    Hands: C
    Durability: B+
    Patience: B-
    Overall: B

    I think Richardson plays behind a better line, and in an offense that fits his strengths, but he is better overall. TRich is bigger, stronger, and faster. The only area where Dyer is considerably better is balance. All of this said, I would take both. I would take TRich over Mike due to raw natural ability. Thoughts?
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  • Devonta Freeman is the next tr

    I thought he reminded me of ryan williams

    But he is very similar to tr imo

    Put freeman on bama and they have similar freshman seasons iym

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by NoVaNoles on 10/17/2011 at 7:04 PM

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  • Seems pretty good to me. Although i think Trents patience is more of a B+ A-

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Devonta Freeman

    Pender is better.

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  • theFightingtide said...

    Seems pretty good to me. Although i think Trents patience is more of a B+ A-

    I think sometimes he doesn't wait long enough. Especially on stretches and tosses. He is just a count ahead of his blocks. That's the one thing Ingram was truly great at.

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  • Agree on pretty much everything except balance. That was a pretty nice move on the 76 yard run last weekend.

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  • eaglew/stripes said...

    I think sometimes he doesn't wait long enough. Especially on stretches and tosses. He is just a count ahead of his blocks. That's the one thing Ingram was truly great at.

    I will admit Ingram was better than him at that but he was the best Alabama has ever had at reading blocks lol If you watch our early games i think he was waiting too long and now he is right on the money or sometimes a little ahead. so IMO he is right around the A- B+ mark. but to each his own

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  • theFightingtide said...

    I will admit Ingram was better than him at that but he was the best Alabama has ever had at reading blocks lol If you watch our early games i think he was waiting too long and now he is right on the money or sometimes a little ahead. so IMO he is right around the A- B+ mark. but to each his own

    You probably know better than I. I stick by my assessment, but acknowledge that yours is backed up by more film watching.

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  • eaglew/stripes said...

    Pender is better.

    Different runners but agreed

    There was. More to my post but it didnt edit in

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Different runners but agreed

    There was. More to my post but it didnt edit in

    So is Wilder the next Jones like I thought he was, or is he moving to LB eventually?

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  • eaglew/stripes said...

    So is Wilder the next Jones like I thought he was, or is he moving to LB eventually?

    It will be jones without the 2 knee surgeries

    Knock on wood

    Wilder looks very good and will only get better with time

    To be honest he looks more like a ronnie brown early on, im sure that is who gran will at some point compare him too

    Wilder would still make a great lb

    But for all those who said putting him at rb was stupid.... Well sit tight cause the crow is cooking and should be served sooner than later

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    It will be jones without the 2 knee surgeries

    Knock on wood

    Wilder looks very good and will only get better with time

    To be honest he looks more like a ronnie brown early on, im sure that is who gran will at some point compare him too

    Wilder would still make a great lb

    But for all those who said putting him at rb was stupid.... Well sit tight cause the crow is cooking and should be served sooner than later

    What made Ronnies great was his versatility. He could pound it, break the big one, catch it, throw it, and had patience/vision/balance. If Wilder can do all of that at his size....damn.

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  • Theres no comparison and anyone who says other wise is not a Bama fan. ;)

    Dreadnought

  • Dreadnought said...

    Theres no comparison and anyone who says other wise is not a Bama fan. ;)

    Well said.

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  • eaglew/stripes said...

    What made Ronnies great was his versatility. He could pound it, break the big one, catch it, throw it, and had patience/vision/balance. If Wilder can do all of that at his size....damn.

    All of that except im not sold on breaking the big one

    Im not set against it either though

    Wilder is gonna a vital part of fsu moving foward

    Freeman had a spring head start so that is why he is #1

    Next year it will be the wild and free show with pender maybe jumping into the mix ( who in time will be the best of all 3 )

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  • eaglew/stripes said...

    Well said.

    I thought it was pretty well thought out.

    Dreadnought

  • I agree that Richardson is an "A" but I think Dyer is about an "A-" as he was right behind Lattimore for the #1 RB in the 2013 NFL Draft. Now with Lattimore's injury, along with Knile Davis now likely being in the 2013 Draft [as opposed to the 2012 Draft due to his ankle injury]......Dyer may very well be the #1 RB selected in the 2013 NFL Draft.

    If a RB goes in the 1st round of the NFL Draft [especially if he is the #1 RB selected] I think he has to be considered an "A-" back.

    Jabrill Peppers...More I watch, the more I'm convinced he is the best player in the 2014 class. Barring injury, he will do special things.

    BamaBornDukie

  • I think Dyer is a B+ or A- at least. I agree that TR has looked better this year. They also have a better line than us. I don't know about the NFL draft are really don't like comparisons by using the NFL draft. Tom Brady was better than Jemarcus Russel in college and pros yet wasn't picked anywhere near the same as him. Same can be said about multiple people. Sometimes a person has a lot of what NFL wants but still didn't do much on the college level due to other reasons.

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  • BamaBornDukie said...

    I agree that Richardson is an "A" but I think Dyer is about an "A-" as he was right behind Lattimore for the #1 RB in the 2013 NFL Draft. Now with Lattimore's injury, along with Knile Davis now likely being in the 2013 Draft [as opposed to the 2012 Draft due to his ankle injury]......Dyer may very well be the #1 RB selected in the 2013 NFL Draft.

    If a RB goes in the 1st round of the NFL Draft [especially if he is the #1 RB selected] I think he has to be considered an "A-" back.

    There you go being all objective and ish. You bring a lot to the board my man, keep it up.

    As far as the OP, I agree on most points, but I'd give TR an "F" for strength, because he's farking strong like bull. I think there's no real comparison at this point. TR is elite, Michael Dyer is very good. He has a chance to be elite, as he is only a Soph, but he's not there yet. TR is a rare combination of speed, strength, and agility. McCarron has really helped his cause by checking down to him often, which I would do too if there was a thoroughbred horse waiting for the rock 3 yards from me.

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  • People are really comparing Michael Dyer to Trent Richardson? That is hilarious. clap

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  • bspit8 said...

    People are really comparing Michael Dyer to Trent Richardson? That is hilarious. clap

    Thanks for the input.

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  • bspit8 said...

    People are really comparing Michael Dyer to Trent Richardson? That is hilarious. clap

    Substantive and concise. Well done.

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  • I disagree on the top end speed...can't really tell much difference on TV ~ 40 times indicate that they are virtually the same (MD 4.4 TR 4.42) I would call that a tie from what I have seen. I say everything else makes sense to me.

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  • Yeah dukie rules he just needs to chill on the bench press :-)

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  • CLAPPER1868 said...

    Agree on pretty much everything except balance. That was a pretty nice move on the 76 yard run last weekend.

    That's would fall under agility.

    Trent made a HELLUVA move. Balance has more to do with your equilibrium being knocked off, but your ability to stay off the ground.

    Agility is what he did. Your ability to change direction and accelerate quickly.

    TR is the better back.

    I think Dyer is more explosive in the first ten yards... after that Trent is better.

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