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My way early B1G record predictions.....

  • mriderblue12 said...

    Not likely.

    what up mrider?

    maybe not favored in all, but, i think in 10...doesnt mean we win all 10, but doesnt mean we lose to the 2 we r probably underdogs in...

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    id say we could be underdogs at msu and whisky, and favored in the rest

    a2brutus

  • OSU will be solid. Like Fickell to Meyer is a major upgrade. I fully expect them to beat Michigan this year.

    ErnieMcCracken

  • a2brutus said...

    what up mrider?

    maybe not favored in all, but, i think in 10...doesnt mean we win all 10, but doesnt mean we lose to the 2 we r probably underdogs in...

    miami oh cent, fla cal uab @msu neb ind pur @psu ill @wisc um

    id say we could be underdogs at msu and whisky, and favored in the rest

    Not much man, haven't seen you around in a while.

    I think you are dogs in the games you mentioned, and depending on how our seasons go you could easily be a sleight dog to Michigan.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Not much man, haven't seen you around in a while.

    I think you are dogs in the games you mentioned, and depending on how our seasons go you could easily be a sleight dog to Michigan.

    was on vacation (more like stacation, the kids were off for spring break so I had to stay with them, the wife works too)

    had a relaxing time tho with the girls and didnt get on the computer much...

    yes, the lines can/will change as the season plays out and if the bucks are around .500 and um is doing well then your wolverines could be favored by a bunch...

    1 game ata time tho...

    kick bama's azz and we'll take care of cal to start a good season for both!

    a2brutus

  • a2brutus said...

    was on vacation (more like stacation, the kids were off for spring break so I had to stay with them, the wife works too)

    had a relaxing time tho with the girls and didnt get on the computer much...

    yes, the lines can/will change as the season plays out and if the bucks are around .500 and um is doing well then your wolverines could be favored by a bunch...

    1 game ata time tho...

    kick bama's azz and we'll take care of cal to start a good season for both!

    I don't think it's too likely we kick Bama's ass unfortunately. But a man can hope!

    I for one can't wait for the game in Columbus. This rivalry is going to be kick ass now, and that wind kind breathed wind into the rivalry once again. Plus with Hoke, and Urban doing so well off the field it should be killer.

    Good that you got some relaxing time in, nothing like hanging with family.

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  • We will win 8 games (OSU) just because of the schedule. I don't see MSU being good......lost way to much. Wisky will struggle, that kid from Maryland is not Wilson!!!

    soha

  • freernnur5 said...

    I like Nebraska, but man don't you guys have someone that can throw the ball better than Martinez (he can run really well though)? Love your running backs and defense though.

    Edit: and yea I know that Denard is not a great passer.

    You would think we could find someone, but I guess not. O well only 2 more years

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  • Hskr4Life23 said...

    lol I don't expect much until we have a new qb. Just another 9 win year and taking an ass kicking in a new years day game. Pretty much identical to last year is my guess for us.

    Unsurpisingly I am in agreement with Hskr4Life. We will lose one conference game we have no business losing and then lose two games where we are underdogs. An inconsistent offense combined with an above average but not elite defense doesn't win championships.

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  • IMO there's a good chance that the B1G title will be won by an unexpected team. Each favored team has serious deficiencies. Take Michigan, the favorite to win the B1G:

    Although on the D side of the ball Michigan loses the 3 starting DL (Martin, VanBergen & Heininger), I expect the D will be solid b/c Mattison gets the most out of his players. But I expect the Michigan O to take a step back from last year and be one-dimensional: run only. Michigan has NO passing game: very few WRs (Roundtree & Gallon) and DRob cannot pass. (In fact none of the 3 QBs who took snaps in the spring practice/scrimmage completed a pass > 10 yards; every pass was a quick slant or dump-off over the middle.) DRob & Touissaint might be one of the best pair of running threats in the country, but they'll be containable by good defenses for 2 reasons:
    1. (Again) no pass threat. The D can run man coverage and make DRob execute through the air, which is not his strength and, frankly, he's just not a good passing QB. So the D can load the box and prepare for the run all day.
    2. The OL is thin. Omeah, Lewan & Schofield return but lost are Molk (C) and Huyge (OT). Based on Spring it appears that a walk-on (Burzynski) will be starting at LG and a true frosh (Kalis) is already the back-up RT. This OL is unproven and 1 or 2 injuries from serious trouble.

    2012 looks like a year where the O will depend more on DRob & Touissaint than ever before...and thats saying a lot. Rawls stepping-up would go a long way.

    Last, Michigan won't duplicate their luck from 2011 (link below).

    The Toolbox: Adjusted Turnover Margin - Football Study Hall

    A look at turnovers luck and its effect on turnover margin in college football.

    www.footballstudyhall.com

    tlhwg

  • Iowa's gonna win the legends. No contest. Y'all should just go home now.

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    Hawkifish

  • Not going to quote that post but you are selling Michigan's passing game short IMO. I won't argue it's good because it isn't, but Gallon showed a lot last year, and Roundtree has proven he is a good route runner, if he can catch the ball he should be alright.

    I also wouldn't take the Spring game results too seriously, Michigan called 6 different plays apparently, they weren't showing much.

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  • Hawkifish said...

    Iowa's gonna win the legends. No contest. Y'all should just go home now.

    lol thanks for the laugh, i needed that this morning

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  • 1)In fact none of the 3 QBs who took snaps in the spring practice/scrimmage completed a pass > 10 yards; every pass was a quick slant or dump-off over the middle.)

    DRob & Touissaint might be one of the best pair of running threats in the country, but they'll be containable by good defenses for 2 reasons:

    2. The OL is thin. Omeah, Lewan & Schofield return but lost are Molk (C) and Huyge (OT). Based on Spring it appears that a walk-on (Burzynski) will be starting at LG

    3) 2012 looks like a year where the O will depend more on DRob & Touissaint than ever before...

    Last, Michigan won't duplicate their luck from 2011 (link below).

    1) I don't suppose you would believe that that was by design, eh?

    2) that is not correct. Burzynski will not be starting.

    3) Two 1,000 yard rushers again? Yes please.

    4). I guess you and SpartanRocky will just have to lay in the weeds together and see how that shakes out.

    The problem with your post is you're using the spring "game" as the primary source of your hypothesis. Denard had one series, and the projected starting OL was split among two squads. You're taking a fairly hard stance on how they'll do without having a lot of data to go on.

    Edit: messed up the bullet point numbering but can't correct it on my phone.

    This post was edited by Due51 on 4/19/2012 at 11:28 AM

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    Due51

  • Not saying Michigan can't win it--they're favored. Just saying that b/c their O projects to take a step back and be more 1-dimensional this year they're going to have some tough/close games (Sparty, @Nebraska, @tOSU) and they'll need to stay healthy on O in general (QB, OL, WR, RB).

    tlhwg

  • tlhwg said...

    Not saying Michigan can't win it--they're favored. Just saying that b/c their O projects to take a step back and be more 1-dimensional this year they're going to have some tough/close games (Sparty, @Nebraska, @tOSU) and they'll need to stay healthy on O in general (QB, OL, WR, RB).

    I don't think the O will take a step back. Going into year 2 under Borges i expect Denard to be much better in the passing game which will make us more balanced than last year. If Michigan takes a step back at all this year i expect it to be on defense. Specifically in stopping the run.

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  • tlhwg said...

    Not saying Michigan can't win it--they're favored. Just saying that b/c their O projects to take a step back and be more 1-dimensional this year they're going to have some tough/close games (Sparty, @Nebraska, @tOSU) and they'll need to stay healthy on O in general (QB, OL, WR, RB).

    I'm not sure why they will take a step back on offense though. That is where the disconnect is.

    The team loses Molk, Koger, Hemingway, and Huyge. Huyge is replaced by a better player, Molk will be a loss but Barnum will hold his own at worst. Hemingway and Koger are the two biggest losses IMO.

    But Roundtree has proven he can do good things, Gallon broke out last year, and Jerald Robinson is getting some buzz. The WR core won't be as strong but I don't think it's much worse either. Koger is a huge loss, hopefully Brandon Moore isn't dreadful.

    But Michigan also has a Sr. Denard with a second year in the system. He is by all accounts making much better decisions this year and should be much improved IMO. Toussaint if healthy should improve. And our depth on the o-line is worse but if we stay healthy it could easily be better than it was last year.

    I just don't see why Michigan's offense will take a step back. The true gamebreakers return and should improve.

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    mriderblue12

  • So Michigan will have a legit passing threat that Ds will need to respect w their WR unit (Gallon & Roundtree) & DRob delivering the ball?

    Note: I'm assuming that cases when DRob scrambles on broken plays and throws up a jump ball off of his back foot are excluded from *legit passing threat*. I'm talking about 10+ yard timing routes against zone coverage, etc.

    This post was edited by tlhwg on 4/19/2012 at 1:25 PM

    tlhwg

  • tlhwg said...

    So Michigan will have a legit passing threat that Ds will need to respect w their WR unit (Gallon & Roundtree) & DRob delivering the ball?

    Note: I'm assuming that cases when DRob scrambles on broken plays and throws up a jump ball off of his back foot are excluded from *legit passing threat*. I'm talking about 10+ yard timing routes against zone coverage, etc.

    Should be better than last year. Which is why i said we wouldn't take a step back on offense.

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  • tlhwg said...

    So Michigan will have a legit passing threat that Ds will need to respect w their WR unit (Gallon & Roundtree) & DRob delivering the ball?

    Note: I'm assuming that cases when DRob scrambles on broken plays and throws up a jump ball off of his back foot are excluded from *legit passing threat*. I'm talking about 10+ yard timing routes against zone coverage, etc.

    They didn't last year really and it worked out well. Hemingway was great at timing his jumps, but wasn't much of a burner or deep threat.

    Gallon and Roundtee this year are just as good as Hemingway and Gallon last year.

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  • tlhwg said...

    Not saying Michigan can't win it--they're favored. Just saying that b/c their O projects to take a step back and be more 1-dimensional this year they're going to have some tough/close games (Sparty, @Nebraska, @tOSU) and they'll need to stay healthy on O in general (QB, OL, WR, RB).

    Michigan's passing got better as the new system set in toward the end of the year. Robinson is returning as a starter in the same offense. He should be much better at avoiding INTs. (Also, this has been mentioned throughout spring practice). Any decrease in INTS will offset any "fumble luck."

    Not sure how the offense actually takes "a step back" when the evidence (comparing the end of last year against better defenses to earlier, reports of many fewer INTs in spring, second year in the same system, etc.) shows it is moving forward toward a better passing game.

    Peterklima

  • mriderblue12 said...

    They didn't last year really and it worked out well. Hemingway was great at timing his jumps, but wasn't much of a burner or deep threat.

    Gallon and Roundtee this year are just as good as Hemingway and Gallon last year.

    Good point: given Michigan's schedule, it didn't need a legit passing game. And this year's (conference) schedule is similar, so you might be right. Still without a passing game I see @Nebraska and Sparty close games.

    tlhwg

  • tlhwg said...

    Good point: given Michigan's schedule, it didn't need a legit passing game. And this year's (conference) schedule is similar, so you might be right. Still without a passing game I see @Nebraska and Sparty close games.

    I see a lot of close games this year.

    @tOSU, @NEB, MSU, hopefully Bama although I'm not holding my breath, @ND.

    I just don't think Michign's offense regresses. Our team could be much better without the record being better this year. In fact it's likely.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    I see a lot of close games this year.

    @tOSU, @NEB, MSU, hopefully Bama although I'm not holding my breath, @ND.

    I just don't think Michign's offense regresses. Our team could be much better without the record being better this year. In fact it's likely.

    I agree that all of those games will be close. And IMO the game vs. Bama is ... well, dumb (read: not in your best interest) because you'll be beat-up for the game the following week against AF. Although after AF you have UMass, so you should be recovered by then.... and ready for ND in week 4.

    Well this seems true to me: your passing game takes a step back and your run game a step forward. My original point (which people disagree with and so remains to be seen) is that your passing game regresses enough that opposing D's don't really need to respect it thereby allowing the D to focus almost exclusively on the run, which in turn hinders your O.

    tlhwg

  • tlhwg said...

    I agree that all of those games will be close. And IMO the game vs. Bama is ... well, dumb (read: not in your best interest) because you'll be beat-up for the game the following week against AF. Although after AF you have UMass, so you should be recovered by then.... and ready for ND in week 4.

    Well this seems true to me: your passing game takes a step back and your run game a step forward. My original point (which people disagree with and so remains to be seen) is that your passing game regresses enough that opposing D's don't really need to respect it thereby allowing the D to focus almost exclusively on the run, which in turn hinders your O.

    Agree to disagree on your last point. I respect your opinion and I appreciate a non-homer perspective.

    Unfortunately when Michigan scheduled that Bama game there was still optimism in regards to the Rich Rod era. It was scheduled during his first off-season I believe, and if stuff had gone as planned Michigan in year 5 under Rich Rod would have been prepared for Bama. Our depth and talent just isn't what it needs to compete with Bama unless we got very lucky.

    I don't think it's not necessarily in our best interests though, sure we may get beat up physically, but Hoke's teams won't be soft. I think it will be a good test, and will give our team some experience and a good test early in the year. I still think we walk all over Air Force, their option is a test, but Mattison is such a good coach I think we will be ready for it.

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  • NE won't lose 3 conf games this yr. NU was a let down last yr, won't happen again. Wiscy comes to Lincoln for a thrashing, along with Meatchicken & Penn is st. We will prolly lose to OSU or MSU or both, but that's it. Pelini's D is gonna be back to form & the O has a lot of fire power. T- Magic is better than y'all think, he had higher comp% & less picks than D-Rob last yr & will be Heisman ready this yr:) GBR

    Sonofly