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NBC Admitted: No 'Assault Rifle' used in Newton shooting

  • USMCAG said...

    You don't spend money that you don't have.

    then how do private-equity firms exist?

    having debt on the books is critical to running a high-powered corporation or country

    obviously, having too much can be catastrophic

    but it aint black and white

    Bom274

  • wvruger71 said...

    Hate to tell you but unemployment is at an all time high in West Virginia since Obama has cut road funding in the state an shut down several coal mines.coffee

    i dont know particulars of west virginia

    other than coal is an industry of the past

    and that if anyone is going to pay for building roads these days; it'd be democrats

    (or hypocritical republicans)

    Bom274

  • justinboze said...

    You keep saying that Bush tanked the economy but who created the housing bubble that burst and was at the center of the economy tanking?

    allen greenspan.

    clinton and dems were complicit in deregulating wall street; but bush and repubs kicked that mess into overdrive

    Bom274

  • Bom274 said...

    allen greenspan.

    clinton and dems were complicit in deregulating wall street; but bush and repubs kicked that mess into overdrive

    hey how about yall good folks hit me up with some up votes

    its 1 against the crowd and im trying to debate in good faith here

    (well maybe late last nite i was being a bit much) (but still, im trying here)

    still; downvoting everything i say is a bit much

    Bom274

  • Bom274 said...

    Sounds like you are describing health care in Switzerland.

    As far as gun/crime levels, I'd be more quick to point to Switzerland's cultural ethos of neutrality, not fighting, avoiding violence at all costs etc.

    As a society, they don't believe in solving problems via guns.

    USA obviously is a whole different animal; guns and violence is a large part of who we are as a people

    And this is where I (and I assume alot of people like me get bothered) --

    We dont want to take anyone's guns. I know many liberals who hunt and who have CWPs etc

    What we do want is to make our society safer for kids and the thousands upon thousands of innocent victims senselessly killed by censored with guns every year

    And the answer isnt as simple as just making sure everyone has more guns

    Columbine had an armed school guard who got in a firefight with those 2 whackjobs before they killed all those kids ..

    We need more focus on mental health and whatever specific gun policies that can better balance 2nd Am rights with public safety interests

    We limit speech in many, many ways in this country for the greater good of the public.

    There is no reason to not be able to limit the 2nd Am likewise

    Americans will still be more than able to protect themselves in their homes and beyond

    That is never going to change.

    But its not okay to think the status quo on gun violence in this country is acceptable in my book

    For you to say the 2nd amendment is limited shows me you don't know what your talking about when it comes to gun laws already in place.

    The guns, are not the problem. The people is the problem. The society that basically holds no one accountable is the problem.

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  • Bom274 said...

    i dont know particulars of west virginia

    other than coal is an industry of the past

    and that if anyone is going to pay for building roads these days; it'd be democrats

    (or hypocritical republicans)

    Try telling the thousands of families he put out of work by shutting down the coalmines. An if its an "industry of the past" how come its still the leading source of energy worldwide?

    wvruger71 ●

  • wvruger71 said...

    Hate to tell you but unemployment is at an all time high in West Virginia since Obama has cut road funding in the state an shut down several coal mines.coffee

    He has those liberal homer glasses on bro

    Jeff4SC

  • Bom274 said...

    hey how about yall good folks hit me up with some up votes

    its 1 against the crowd and im trying to debate in good faith here

    (well maybe late last nite i was being a bit much) (but still, im trying here)

    still; downvoting everything i say is a bit much

    I havent downvoted you once nor will I. I only downvote people that actually say negative things about me or attack me in a vulgar manner.

    wvruger71 ●

  • Jeff4SC said...

    He has those liberal homer glasses on bro

    lol apparently

    wvruger71 ●

  • Wogs said...

    Read this...very easy to read and explains thing in ways that people that aren't familiar with guns can understand as well

    Thanks for the link- very interesting read. Pretty compelling statistics provided by the FBI.

    whip136

  • OHSethIO said...

    For you to say the 2nd amendment is limited shows me you don't know what your talking about when it comes to gun laws already in place.

    The guns, are not the problem. The people is the problem. The society that basically holds no one accountable is the problem.

    i was saying that the 1st amendment is limited in many ways.

    and that accordingly, attempts to similar limit (or balance with competing constitutionally protected interests) are kosher to impose upon the 2nd

    ..

    and yes people are the problem; and a way of addressing that is to address the gun culture in america

    (mental health, hollywood, video games, easy access to purchasing legal and illegal guns, stand your ground statutes, etc etc etc)

    now i dont think all of those aspects should necessarily be regulated

    at the very least, some of those are much, much more important than others

    i do think we need a holistic, and tempered approach

    my bottom line is that the amount of gun violence and deaths in this country should not be acceptable

    and that narrowing access to guns is part of the solution

    and all guns are not treated alike

    there is a big, big difference bw a hunting rifle and a mac-10 in my book

    ask your local police benevolence association about that one ...

    This post was edited by Bom274 on 1/18/2013 at 11:50 AM

    Bom274

  • wvruger71 said...

    I havent downvoted you once nor will I. I only downvote people that actually say negative things about me or attack me in a vulgar manner.

    obliged.

    Bom274

  • Jeff4SC said...

    He has those liberal homer glasses on bro

    jeff you've been trolling for 3 pages now

    Bom274

  • wvruger71 said...

    Try telling the thousands of families he put out of work by shutting down the coalmines. An if its an "industry of the past" how come its still the leading source of energy worldwide?

    long term its not the future

    at some point our nation will need alternate energy sources

    obama isnt shutting down coal mines

    he may press for environmental regs so that kids dont get cancer before age 10 or workers have safety standards in place that dont leave them trapped miles below

    talking about putting families out of work?

    how about outsourcing and free trade agreements (free markets, unfettered capitalism) that has sent millions of American jobs oversee (and then American corporations stash the money oversee and use corporate tax loopholes/welfare to avoid paying taxes on their profits)

    and absolutely democrats (clinton etc) have been complicit in that

    but when you weigh the scales of which party has been more "worker-friendly" please dont tell me any of yall genuinely believe republicans win that battle?

    Bom274

  • this. seriously.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-demolishes-conservative-cries-of-obama-gun-‘tyranny’-‘you-just-look-like-an-ahole’/

    Bom274

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    "There needs to be common sense used in Washington....."

    you mean the same people in DC that helped ring up our current $ 1 trillion budget deficit ?
    good luck w/ that.

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Bom274 said...

    i was saying that the 1st amendment is limited in many ways.

    and that accordingly, attempts to similar limit (or balance with competing constitutionally protected interests) are kosher to impose upon the 2nd

    ..

    and yes people are the problem; and a way of addressing that is to address the gun culture in america

    (mental health, hollywood, video games, easy access to purchasing legal and illegal guns, stand your ground statutes, etc etc etc)

    now i dont think all of those aspects should necessarily be regulated

    at the very least, some of those are much, much more important than others

    i do think we need a holistic, and tempered approach

    my bottom line is that the amount of gun violence and deaths in this country should not be acceptable

    and that narrowing access to guns is part of the solution

    and all guns are not treated alike

    there is a big, big difference bw a hunting rifle and a mac-10 in my book

    ask your local police benevolence association about that one ...

    First, I am a cop... I know about guns.

    Second, once again. The people are the problem, the amount of gun violence shouldn't be blamed on the guns. Guns are simply a tool.

    Video games, "gun culture" are not the problem.

    Do I think loop holes need to be closed? HELL YES, aka the gun show loop hole.

    But standing your ground statues... Why do those need to be changed? You don't think someone should beaable to defend themselves on his or her land?

    Also, you realize gun violence as a whole is not very high in the country right? Maybe compared to other countries yes, but guess what? This is the United States of America... Not any other country. There's more alcohol related deaths than gun deaths. More drug deaths, those are outlawed too right?

    Point is, making laws isn't going to change anything. This country was founded on guns and defending its self again tyranny....

    Criminals, don't follow laws.

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  • OHSethIO said...

    But standing your ground statues... Why do those need to be changed? You don't think someone should beaable to defend themselves on his or her land?

    For decades and decades most states follow the "castle doctrine"

    which is stand your ground at your home, basically

    recently, right-wing groups (ALEC, e.g.) have pushed the statutes that embolden censored to shoot first and ask questions later

    nothing wrong with CWPs ... and self-defense laws still apply out in the public at-large .. that hasn't, and won't change

    but turning toward the wild west as a model for safety is not a good thing

    we do have gun/violence culture in America

    and while i absolutely don't think we need to start censoring movies, music, video games, etc

    to say that we dont have a gun problem, but a people problem is (to me) ridiculous

    guns make people more effective killers;

    especially fully automatic ones

    or "cop killer bullets"

    should there not be limits on the right to bear arms?

    Bom274

  • Bom274 said...

    For decades and decades most states follow the "castle doctrine"

    which is stand your ground at your home, basically

    recently, right-wing groups (ALEC, e.g.) have pushed the statutes that embolden censored to shoot first and ask questions later

    nothing wrong with CWPs ... and self-defense laws still apply out in the public at-large .. that hasn't, and won't change

    but turning toward the wild west as a model for safety is not a good thing

    we do have gun/violence culture in America

    and while i absolutely don't think we need to start censoring movies, music, video games, etc

    to say that we dont have a gun problem, but a people problem is (to me) ridiculous

    guns make people more effective killers;

    especially fully automatic ones

    or "cop killer bullets"

    should there not be limits on the right to bear arms?

    Can you name when the last time a full auto was used in a massacre? If I remember right even columbine didn't have fully auto..

    Fully autos are HARD to get.

    How can you blame an object for people's actions? It's called personal accountability..... YOU pull the trigger, so YOU should be blamed.

    And no, if I want to own 100 guns, I should be able too. Fully autos, like I said are hard to get and you have to have a class 3, which is not easy...

    This post was edited by OHSethIO on 1/18/2013 at 1:30 PM

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  • No Bom, Obama HAS shut down coal mines in WV by using the corrupt EPA to do it. He is trying to force the alternative energies to grow the green/alternative companies that he and his big money buddies invested in. His lapdog Lisa Jackson ( former EPA queen) is in hot water as we speak for using a bogus email account ( said to be named after her dog ) to hide communications from the public to try and sabotage the coal industry by using the long arm of the EPA to enforce unattainable clean water standards ect.. to shut them down. Some of the standards that the corrupt EPA were trying to enforce "dirty coal mines" to abide by showed that water runoff from mall parking lots were too dirty too but to my knowledge no mall has faced the wrath of our corrupt president and his congress sidestepping EPA and been shut down.... Yet

    Goldrusher35

  • OHSethIO said...

    Can you name when the last time a full auto was used in a massacre? If I remember right even columbine didn't have fully auto..

    Fully autos are HARD to get.

    How can you blame an object for people's actions? It's called personal accountability..... YOU pull the trigger, so YOU should be blamed.

    And no, if I want to own 100 guns, I should be able too. Fully autos, like I said are hard to get and you have to have a class 3, which is not easy...

    the person is fully responsible .. thats why we put them in jail

    and when felons get out of jail, btw, they generally aren't allowed to possess guns (or even ammo)

    guns used at columbine, according to wikipeda --

    Intratec TEC-DC9, Hi-Point 995 Carbine, Savage 67H pump-action shotgun, Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun, 99 explosives, 4 knives

    so no fully autos .. but that is besides the bigger point about public safety

    tho should Tec-9s be readily available to the general public?

    there was also an armed SRO on campus at Columbine

    i think legislation around guns is very difficult to do effectively

    people are the problem; but guns are the means

    you have to address both

    Bom274

  • OHSethIO said...

    And no, if I want to own 100 guns, I should be able too. Fully autos, like I said are hard to get and you have to have a class 3, which is not easy...

    unless they were manufactured pre-1987. Yep, the average Joe can legally own a fully automatic tommy gun, for example.. funny the libs aren't crying about that though?

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  • Goldrusher35 said...

    No Bom, Obama HAS shut down coal mines in WV by using the corrupt EPA to do it. He is trying to force the alternative energies to grow the green/alternative companies that he and his big money buddies invested in. His lapdog Lisa Jackson ( former EPA queen) is in hot water as we speak for using a bogus email account ( said to be named after her dog ) to hide communications from the public to try and sabotage the coal industry by using the long arm of the EPA to enforce unattainable clean water standards ect.. to shut them down. Some of the standards that the corrupt EPA were trying to enforce "dirty coal mines" to abide by showed that water runoff from mall parking lots were too dirty too but to my knowledge no mall has faced the wrath of our corrupt president and his congress sidestepping EPA and been shut down.... Yet

    i cant speak to obama and west virginia and coal

    you sound a overboard re the EPA though

    i do think are body-politic has been overly deferential to the coal industry

    just like they have been to ethanol subsidies etc

    way too many of our economic policies are based on political determinations rather than policy

    and while im sure the EPA has overstepped in many places; at the core their mission is to do whats best for America and I have no doubt that is what are trying to do

    no one wants to put people out work; no one wants to shut an industry down out of spite or the like

    its a balancing act; and there are competing, valid policy interests

    it has been very upsetting the past 4 years to see all of the satanic-esque motives to obama and company

    his policies may be wrong; but they are genuinely trying to do whats best for America

    for folks not to acknowledge that is sad

    Bom274

  • Bom274 said...

    i cant speak to obama and west virginia and coal

    you sound a overboard re the EPA though

    i do think are body-politic has been overly deferential to the coal industry

    just like they have been to ethanol subsidies etc

    way too many of our economic policies are based on political determinations rather than policy

    and while im sure the EPA has overstepped in many places; at the core their mission is to do whats best for America and I have no doubt that is what are trying to do

    no one wants to put people out work; no one wants to shut an industry down out of spite or the like

    its a balancing act; and there are competing, valid policy interests

    it has been very upsetting the past 4 years to see all of the satanic-esque motives to obama and company

    his policies may be wrong; but they are genuinely trying to do whats best for America

    for folks not to acknowledge that is sad

    I have come to this discussion a little late and understand that by doing so that I open myself up to attack from one side or the other and possibly both.

    When it comes to gun control, I only warn you to tread carefully and trust no politician's motitives. History has when claim a desire for better gun control the real aim is disarm a people to leaving defenseless (witness "The Holocaust" and "Wounded Knee").

    As to the present direction of our government, I am concerned that both parties are failing us. The present administration has a professional orgaization called "The Tellus Institute" wrtting it's policy. You should go to their web site and read their vision statement and decide for yourself if you be believe individualism and consumerisms are evil things and detrimental to the future of our nation.

    WestGABama ●

  • WestGABama said...

    I have come to this discussion a little late and understand that by doing so that I open myself up to attack from one side or the other and possibly both.

    When it comes to gun control, I only warn you to tread carefully and trust no politician's motitives. History has when claim a desire for better gun control the real aim is disarm a people to leaving defenseless (witness "The Holocaust" and "Wounded Knee").

    As to the present direction of our government, I am concerned that both parties are failing us. The present administration has a professional orgaization called "The Tellus Institute" wrtting it's policy. You should go to their web site and read their vision statement and decide for yourself if you be believe individualism and consumerisms are evil things and detrimental to the future of our nation.

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    Goldrusher35

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