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ND, FSU, and Louisville B12 bound??

  • blockmaster said...

    FSU is the only true national brand in the ACC with VT coming in a close second.

    Based on last year's football/basketball television ratings, which might not be a great representative, it's more like:

    1. Florida State
    2. Miami
    3. Clemson
    4. Virginia Tech

    This post was edited by Rivver on 6/20/2012 at 10:22 AM

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Its over... We gone!

    Still proud of that. Makes me smile

    fsufsu

  • Rivver said...

    So your only value is that you're located inside the state of Texas? Interesting.

    Yes. The big ten charges nearly a dollar for subscribers in big ten states and only about .05 cents for non big ten states.

    You can expect the sec and ESPN to work out a similar deal among providers.

    This post was edited by Status on 6/20/2012 at 10:38 AM

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  • Status said...

    Yes. The big ten charges nearly a dollar for subscribers in big ten states and only about .05 cents for non big ten states.

    You can expect the sec and ESPN to work out a similar deal among providers.

    They won't be able to get near a dollar for Texas residents. Your brand is 1/2 that strong at best. You are closer to an Indiana or Illinois.

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  • Your forgetting that Texas is loaded with sec alums. It shouldn't have any problems getting picked up here unlike the lhn

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  • Status said...

    Your forgetting that Texas is loaded with sec alums. It shouldn't have any problems getting picked up here unlike the lhn

    It's no "loaded" with anything but Longhorn fans.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    It's no "loaded" with anything but Longhorn fans.

    Pssssh too stupid a comment for a thoughtful response

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  • fsufsu said...

    They won't be able to get near a dollar for Texas residents. Your brand is 1/2 that strong at best. You are closer to an Indiana or Illinois.

    I think the better comparison might be the BTN's deal in Pennsylvania. There it only charges $0.75 per subscriber compared to the ~$1.10 it charges in all other states in the footprint. Penn State/B1G alums in PA amount to a similar %age of A&M/SEC alums in Texas (maybe a bit more in PA?). I'd expect the SEC deal in TX to be modeled after that - there will certainly be demand, but the cable companies will be able to negotiate it down a sizable amount.

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  • Status said...

    Pssssh too stupid a comment for a thoughtful response

    You wish. Your fanbase is the embodiment of the Little Brother moniker thrown around in other states as mere flames.

    fsufsu

  • fsufsu said...

    You wish. Your fanbase is the embodiment of the Little Brother moniker thrown around in other states as mere flames.

    Embodiment? Lol. Look at all those "little brothers" in other states. They don't come close to the amount of money and alumni as we have.

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  • blockmaster said...

    People forget that the matchup on the field is more important then the market size of the city where schools are located. This is why the SEC makes the most money, has nothing to do with their market size but their product on the field that draws a national audience. WVU is more of a national brand then aggy or mizzou. FSU is the only true national brand in the ACC with VT coming in a close second. Meaning no matter who they play people will watch. The value in the Big 12 over the ACC is not UT and OU but it is our second level teams that are capable of big time matchups.

    UT and OU >>>>> VT and FSU WVU > Clemson OSU > Miami (they won't be back) TCU > Georgia Tech

    UT and TCU will be a national broadcast, I seriously doubt FSU and Gtech will and if they will be the ratings won't even compare. This is my opinion not a fact

    The matchup on the field isn't that important. The most important thing is the number of viewers of each game. Sure the matchup on the field may influence that, but in most games the amount of viewers is roughly dictated by the amount of fans of the program(not the market size).

    WVU is not a national brand, TAMU and MIZZOU both have larger fanbases, as do 4 ACC teams(Clemson, VaTech, GaTech, and Miami).

    The SEC does not make the most money, the Big Ten makes tremendously more money and will renegotiate their contract before the SEC gets to.

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    WVU is not a national brand, TAMU and MIZZOU both have larger fanbases, as do 4 ACC teams(Clemson, VaTech, GaTech, and Miami).

    Prove it.

    Rivver

  • The fact that the sec passed on wvu should be enough proof

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  • Rivver said...

    Prove it.

    I was going by this article because it was the only study I could find

    http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

    combined with the fact that the SEC picked MIZZOU TAMU over WVU.

    Also those two schools are much strong institutions(compare the endowments, WVU's is laughably under 500 million)

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  • fsufsu said...

    Still proud of that. Makes me smile

    Its legendary

    It will go on your internet tombstone one day

    This post was edited by NoVaNoles on 6/20/2012 at 2:48 PM

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    I was going by this article because it was the only study I could find

    http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/

    combined with the fact that the SEC picked MIZZOU TAMU over WVU.

    Also those two schools are much strong institutions(compare the endowments, WVU's is laughably under 500 million)

    I admittedly stopped reading after:

    "For instance, according to Google Insights for Search, the term 'college football' is searched for about 5 times as often in Birmingham, Alabama as it is in New York City, relative to overall search traffic. In other words, on a per-capita basis, there are probably 5 times as many football fans in Birmingham as there are in New York City."

    Garbage in, garbage out.

    It's also been made quite apparent that the only reason West Virginia wasn't taken over those other schools was because West Virginia is a smaller state, which means fewer television sets. It had nothing to do with the school or how many fans they had.

    If you would like to use a credible source to prove your claim that those other schools have larger fanbases, I will be here waiting.

    This post was edited by Rivver on 6/20/2012 at 3:07 PM

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  • Rivver said...

    I admittedly stopped reading after:

    "For instance, according to Google Insights for Search, the term 'college football' is searched for about 5 times as often in Birmingham, Alabama as it is in New York City, relative to overall search traffic. In other words, on a per-capita basis, there are probably 5 times as many football fans in Birmingham as there are in New York City."

    Garbage in, garbage out.

    It's also been made quite apparent that the only reason West Virginia wasn't taken over those other schools was because West Virginia is a smaller state, which means fewer television sets. It had nothing to do with the school or how many fans they had.

    If you would like to use a credible source to prove your claim that those other schools have larger fanbases, I will be here waiting.

    Google insights was just one of several metrics he used but you didn't even read it. I admit its not perfect, but I at least have some evidence for my position(Nate Silver's estimates, the fact that the SEC passed on WVU in favor of the other two schools which have had equal or weaker football teams recently), while you are pulling your ideas out of thin air.

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  • Wendel Clark said...

    Google insights was just one of several metrics he used but you didn't even read it. I admit its not perfect, but I at least have some evidence for my position(Nate Silver's estimates, the fact that the SEC passed on WVU in favor of the other two schools which have had equal or weaker football teams recently), while you are pulling your ideas out of thin air.

    "Equal or weaker". More like much weaker teams than WVU.

    They got taken because of markets. Nothing more, nothing less. If the SEC were wanting better teams, they would have taken WVU and VT. Big 12 is trying the SEC angle. Take better programs that make for great match ups. If they wanted markets they would have went with a team like Houston, Memphis, or a few other options out there.

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  • I think the SEC would of taken VT over Mizzou if VT would leave the ACC.

    This post was edited by tigerblood on 6/20/2012 at 4:02 PM

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  • Clemson is not leaving the ACC and UL was neck and neck with WVU and TCU when the B12 replaced TAMU and Missouri. So, my bet is on UL plus one more to get back up to 12. Can they pull FSU? Maybe. If not FSU, will they stick at 11 like the B10 did for a decade and a half waiting (foolishly) for ND? Again, maybe. But my money is on the B12 adding two teams this Summer for reasons of stability. I'm going with UL and FSU with the following divisions:

    North: FSU, UL, WVU, KU, KSU, ISU
    South: UT, OU, OSU, TCU, BU, TTU

    MrWoodson ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    Clemson is not leaving the ACC and UL was neck and neck with WVU and TCU when the B12 replaced TAMU and Missouri. So, my bet is on UL plus one more to get back up to 12. Can they pull FSU? Maybe. If not FSU, will they stick at 11 like the B10 did for a decade and a half waiting (foolishly) for ND? Again, maybe. But my money is on the B12 adding two teams this Summer for reasons of stability. I'm going with UL and FSU with the following divisions:

    North: FSU, UL, WVU, KU, KSU, ISU South: UT, OU, OSU, TCU, BU, TTU

    And FSU you divisions are another reason why I don't like this move for us. That conference is set up to cater to a good texas school. 4 texas schools means basically no travel time no lag from traveling. its not a good move in my opinion. not right now. FSU moving right now is not the right move.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    "Equal or weaker". More like much weaker teams than WVU.

    They got taken because of markets. Nothing more, nothing less. If the SEC were wanting better teams, they would have taken WVU and VT. Big 12 is trying the SEC angle. Take better programs that make for great match ups. If they wanted markets they would have went with a team like Houston, Memphis, or a few other options out there.

    Markets which equal greater TV money, thats what we are arguing about in the first place, whether WVU/TCU will bring in more TV money than TAMU/MIZZOU,

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  • Lol TCU, they don't even carry their own city, and no I don't mean the metroplex

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  • FSUTrackLove said...

    And FSU you divisions are another reason why I don't like this move for us. That conference is set up to cater to a good texas school. 4 texas schools means basically no travel time no lag from traveling. its not a good move in my opinion. not right now. FSU moving right now is not the right move.

    Yeah, I can't speak to FSU's situation enough to know if they will bite for sure, but after FSU the list gets awfully weak. One thing that wouldn't surprise me is to see ND play the ACC and B12 off against each other by leading both to believe they are the future conference of choice. That might be enough to cause FSU to stay put in the ACC for now, though it's pure speculation. But if I were ND, it's exactly what I would do.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 6/20/2012 at 5:04 PM

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  • FSUTrackLove said...

    And FSU you divisions are another reason why I don't like this move for us. That conference is set up to cater to a good texas school. 4 texas schools means basically no travel time no lag from traveling. its not a good move in my opinion. not right now. FSU moving right now is not the right move.

    So staying in the acc making less money is the right move? Travel time isn't that big of a deal anymore. Its no further than having to go to syracuse or boston college than going to texas. I need a better reason than that.

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