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New Georgia Abortion Law......passed

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    If you don't like the South..... #wellbye

    Proving my point.

    Too many people that are not accepting of alternate view points or lifestyles.

    BetterOff

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    And why can't pregnant women drive in the carpool lane?

    Why aren't mothers who have miscarriages charged with manslaughter?

    Why aren't mothers who drink a glass of wine while pregnant charged with distribution of alcohol to a minor?

    Why, when a fetus implants in the fallopian tube and the mother chooses to not abort it and die so the fetus can live, is the fetus not charged with manslaughter?

    lol

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    lol

    If you give a fetus full rights, all of those charges would hold up in court.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    If you give a fetus full rights, all of those charges would hold up in court.

    Of course they do. thumbsup

    xxmgobluexx

  • rms02d said...

    Lol

    Exhibit A of "WTF is wrong with people"

    Some people are proud of their own ignorance and hypocrisy.

    That's the part that gets me. Southern politicians will say that they absolutely do not believe in that the earth's temperature is rising or that we evolved from primates, and they will say it as loud as they can.

    I mean, that's like screaming at the top of your lungs, "I AM COMPLETELY SCIENTIFICALLY ILLITERATE, AND IM DAMN PROUD OF IT."

    ramssuperbowl99

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Another thing of note, when a pregnant woman is killed, how could there ever be a double homicide if she wasn't carrying a child?

    In 36 states there is no such thing. They would be charged once for homocide and there would be another charge for what is termed feticide. I didn't see the exact number of how many list it this way, but in California it is listed at fetal homicide.

    BetterOff

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Of course they do. thumbsup

    If the intentional death of a fetus (abortion) is murder, then the unintentional death of a fetus is manslaughter.

    If fetuses are considered minors, it is illegal to give them alcohol.

    If killing a fetus is a crime, then it only stands to reason a fetus killing someone is also a crime. Hence, an ecleptic pregnancy would either force the mother to go to prison for 'murder' of the fetus or the fetus to be charged with manslaughter for unintentionally killing the would-be mother.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • BetterOff said...

    In 36 states there is no such thing. They would be charged once for homocide and there would be another charge for what is termed feticide. I didn't see the exact number of how many list it this way, but in California it is listed at fetal homicide.

    I wonder why they put the fetal in there with homicide.

    Homicide definition: The killing of one human being by another human being.

    xxmgobluexx

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    If the intentional death of a fetus (abortion) is murder, then the unintentional death of a fetus is manslaughter.

    If fetuses are considered minors, it is illegal to give them alcohol.

    If killing a fetus is a crime, then it only stands to reason a fetus killing someone is also a crime. Hence, an ecleptic pregnancy would either force the mother to go to prison for 'murder' of the fetus or the fetus to be charged with manslaughter for unintentionally killing the would-be mother.

    /puts on tinfoil hat.

    Of course, it only stands to reason.

    /take tinfoil hat off.

    xxmgobluexx

  • rms02d said...

    Good point.

    A dozen studies on global warming (even the one paid for by anti-climate change lobbyists) are wrong.

    But one study on how fetuses feel pain, is cited to enact legislation, and one "scientific" study is irrefutable evidence.

    Wtf is wrong with people. Lol.

    Or when someone finds something that may be the shroud of turin, christians immediately go, "SEE LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE" and then when confronted with the fact that the earth is not, in fact, 6,000 years old, immediately say something like, "I don't trust that liberal science bs"

    If you take a stand that you will only consider evidence that supports your position, you're going to find out you're position was right 100% of the time, and you're going to be a loud-mouthed, arrogant idiot.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    /puts on tinfoil hat.

    Of course, it only stands to reason.

    /take tinfoil hat off.

    Prove me wrong then. Enlighten me.

    Or you know, keep condescending.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Prove me wrong then. Enlighten me.

    Or you know, keep condescending.

    Prove you wrong? Sorry, you're the one with outlandish claims. The burden of proof is on you.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Prove you wrong? Sorry, you're the one with outlandish claims. The burden of proof is on you.

    See the logic below. Please point out my logical fallacy.

    If the intentional death of a fetus (abortion) is murder, then the unintentional death (miscarriage) of a fetus is manslaughter.

    If fetuses are considered minors, it is illegal to give them alcohol.

    If killing a fetus is a crime, then it only stands to reason a fetus killing someone is also a crime. Hence, an ecleptic pregnancy would either force the mother to go to prison for 'murder' of the fetus or the fetus to be charged with manslaughter for unintentionally killing the would-be mother.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    See the logic below. Please point out my logical fallacy.

    If the intentional death of a fetus (abortion) is murder, then the unintentional death (miscarriage) of a fetus is manslaughter.

    If fetuses are considered minors, it is illegal to give them alcohol.

    If killing a fetus is a crime, then it only stands to reason a fetus killing someone is also a crime. Hence, an ecleptic pregnancy would either force the mother to go to prison for 'murder' of the fetus or the fetus to be charged with manslaughter for unintentionally killing the would-be mother.

    It is all logical.

    If my aunt had been a man she'd be my uncle

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    It is all logical.

    If my aunt had been a man she'd be my uncle

    Wow, this argument has me completely convinced.

    Seriously prove me wrong. If my logic is so crappy, it shouldn't be that hard.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Wow, this argument has me completely convinced.

    Seriously prove me wrong. If my logic is so crappy, it shouldn't be that hard.

    There is nothing to prove, you're throwing out baseless hypotheticals. It is like those that say Obamacare is going to lead the government controlling what I eat, what I weigh...

    In your eyes, is there a difference between a child (fetus for you) in the womb at 3 months, 5 months, 9 months?

    xxmgobluexx

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    The whole manslaughter claim is absurd. I know you don't believe it. Miscarriages can not be physically stopped.... Manslaughter can. And absolutely I feel a mom should be charged if their babies come out w/ difficulties from a mom drinking/smoking/doing drugs.

    As far as the "ecleptic pregnancy" goes, in that situation, it's like pulling the plug on someone who was a vegetable... (if the baby wasn't going to make it) If the mother wasn't going to make it, chalk it up to "stand your groud" law. She is just defending her right to live.

    Not all manslaughter can be stopped and not all miscarriages are unstoppable. Some result from a women taking medication that terminates the pregnancy without her knowledge. Is that not manslaughter?

    Ecleptic pregnancy isn't that straightforward - there are cases where the fetus can make it. So, do we simply prioritize the life of the mother because her odds are better? If so, then when the mother has terminal cancer and is pregnant, should we not require her to not take medication (even if she had a slight chance to get better) and have the child, rather than take the medication and abort the fetus?

    ramssuperbowl99

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    There is nothing to prove, you're throwing out baseless hypotheticals. It is like those that say Obamacare is going to lead the government controlling what I eat, what I weigh...

    In your eyes, is there a difference between a child (fetus for you) in the womb at 3 months, 5 months, 9 months?

    In terms of legal rights? No.

    And by the way, it's a fetus for you too.

    (Either that or we can just define words to mean what ever we want, in which case, from this point on in the thread I'll refer to everyone who is anti-abortion as "crazy psycho incestuous redneck hick mass murderers".)

    EDIT: Oh, and by the way, you can prove to someone that Obamacare will not lead to the government controlling what you eat based on the bill itself, previous supreme court decisions, etc. etc.

    This post was edited by ramssuperbowl99 on 3/30/2012 at 10:09 AM

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ilovelamp51 said...

    The whole manslaughter claim is absurd. I know you don't believe it. Miscarriages can not be physically stopped.... Manslaughter can. And absolutely I feel a mom should be charged if their babies come out w/ difficulties from a mom drinking/smoking/doing drugs.

    As far as the "ecleptic pregnancy" goes, in that situation, it's like pulling the plug on someone who was a vegetable... (if the baby wasn't going to make it) If the mother wasn't going to make it, chalk it up to "stand your groud" law. She is just defending her right to live.

    I agree on all this.

    2 of my children had a biological mother who drank and smoked heavily. She hurt my children with her actions.

    xxmgobluexx

  • FSULaura said...

    I'm at 18 weeks right now. Baby moves and I can feel it. In a week I will have pictures of a face and know whether it is a boy or girl. In another few weeks, it would have a chance to live if I somehow went in to premature labor. I cannot fathom how there are females (don't call them women; it takes strength to be a woman) who could get this far and then decide to abort. You really couldn't figure out what you wanted to do 2 months ago? Too high?

    What if there is a fatal complication to yourself that can only be treated by removing the fetus?

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    InTresslWeTrust

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I agree on all this.

    2 of my children had a biological mother who drank and smoked heavily. She hurt my children with her actions.

    So therefore it should be illegal for pregnant women to drink or smoke, since they may be hurting the fetus.

    Yeah, that's not infringing on anyone's rights.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    So therefore it should be illegal for pregnant women to drink or smoke, since they may be hurting the fetus.

    Yeah, that's not infringing on anyone's rights.

    And here is the crutch of the disagreement. I believe we should protect those that can't protect themself, you don't.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Abortion is one of the things I look at when deciding on who I will vote for. If a politician is ok with a child being killed, I can't vote for him.

    Relative to your last statement. I do not allow the running platform of a politician relative to abortion decide my vote and here is why:

    Regan - Pro-life - 8 years in office
    Bush - Pro- life - 4 years in office
    Clinton - Pro-choice - 8 years in office
    Bush - Pro-life - 8 years in office
    Obama - Pro-choice - currently in office for almost 4 years

    Pro-life - 20 years in office
    Pro-choice - 12 years in office

    8 more years in office for Pro-life and NOTHING has changed!!!! That means 8 more years of appointing judges ect...... And nothing has changed.

    It is a bogus platform used to garner a populations vote. Nothing more.

    I hate abortion, with all of my heart, but what I typed above speaks for itself.

    highsnap ●

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    In terms of legal rights? No.

    So you believe that a child (fetus for you) at 9 months has no rights and only gains rights the moment they are delivered?

    xxmgobluexx

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    See the logic below. Please point out my logical fallacy.

    If the intentional death of a fetus (abortion) is murder, then the unintentional death (miscarriage) of a fetus is manslaughter.

    If fetuses are considered minors, it is illegal to give them alcohol.

    If killing a fetus is a crime, then it only stands to reason a fetus killing someone is also a crime. Hence, an ecleptic pregnancy would either force the mother to go to prison for 'murder' of the fetus or the fetus to be charged with manslaughter for unintentionally killing the would-be mother.

    You mention miscarriage one more time and I will hunt you down and find you. You can use your other absurd analogies all you want but effing stop it with that. You have no idea what it is like.

    FSULaura

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