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  • BetterOff said...

    Smartest thing I have ever read on here.

    Pro-life stances are to draw voters. When is the last time any of them actually tried to pass anything?

    I really appreciate the comment.

    Barney, you could make your point a lot simpler by stating where in the new testiment does it say homosexuality is a sin. If everyone in the thread is stating it is wrong because of scripture and then dismissing the old testiment, then what are they really trying to say?

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    I really appreciate the comment.

    Barney, you could make your point a lot simpler by stating where in the new testiment does it say homosexuality is a sin. If everyone in the thread is stating it is wrong because of scripture and then dismissing the old testiment, then what are they really trying to say?

    Romans 1:26-27- Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

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  • theFightingtide said...

    Romans 1:26-27- Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

    It says on themselves which means you need to leave it alone and turn the other cheek correct?

    Edit: by the way, that scripture is identified to Paul who was not one of the 4 gospels and had no interaction to Jesus correct?
    How would Jesus' teachings have anything to do with a letter written by Paul who never met Jesus?

    This post was edited by MichRedWingFan7 on 3/14/2012 at 10:13 PM

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  • Any quote attributed directly by Jesus against homosexuality would be appreciated but I am pretty dang sure it doesn't exist.

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    It says on themselves which means you need to leave it alone and turn the other cheek correct?

    1 Corinthians 2:14-16----- 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,
    “Who has known the mind of the Lord
    so as to instruct him?”[a]

    But we have the mind of Christ.

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    It says on themselves which means you need to leave it alone and turn the other cheek correct?

    Edit: by the way, that scripture is identified to Paul who was not one of the 4 gospels and had no interaction to Jesus correct? How would Jesus' teachings have anything to do with a letter written by Paul who never met Jesus?

    Because he was struck blind on the road to Damascus, which IMO, would qualify him as a Godly man.

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  • theFightingtide said...

    1 Corinthians 2:14-16----- 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”[a]

    But we have the mind of Christ.

    Again, not something that Jesus said.

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    Again, not something that Jesus said.

    Matthew 28:19-20
    19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

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  • theFightingtide said...

    Because he was struck blind on the road to Damascus, which IMO, would qualify him as a Godly man.

    How is the writer of these letters more of a Godly man than the writer of Leviticus?
    They are both in the Bible and not stating Jesus's teachings.

    This post was edited by MichRedWingFan7 on 3/14/2012 at 10:23 PM

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  • theFightingtide said...

    Matthew 28:19-20 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    So you have a saying directly by Jesus that homosexuality is wrong?

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    So you have a saying directly by Jesus that homosexuality is wrong?

    No, but if you truly do believe that he would think it morally permissible then say it now, and I will no longer reply because anything I posted further would be a waste of time.

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    How is the writer of these letters more of a Godly man than the writer of Leviticus? They are both in the Bible and not stating Jesus's teachings.

    I am not debating on which is more Godly.

    I merely posted that proving that the New Testament does mention homosexuality. You might want to rephrase your original question, because I answered it with a verse proving it indeed does mention it.

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  • theFightingtide said...

    I am not debating on which is more Godly.

    I merely posted that proving that the New Testament does mention homosexuality. You might want to rephrase your original question, because I answered it with a verse proving it indeed does mention it.

    Okay, WHERE IN THE TEACHING OF JESUS CHRIST DOES IT SAY HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG?

    Is that better?

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  • rms02d said...

    This could also be a metaphor.

    I saw my future wife and was struck blind.

    You have to learn to not read something "literally" when it has been translated into several languages prior to English, and when it was written 100+ years after the death of Jesus.

    Indeed, that could be the case, however, that does not change the fact that Paul was indeed a converted religious man, and because of Matthew 28:19-20 was given the authority to go out and profess what he believed in.

    I am confused as to what y'all are trying to say. Are we debating Paul's faith or qualifications to write these letters?

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  • theFightingtide said...

    No, but if you truly do believe that he would think it morally permissible then say it now, and I will no longer reply because anything I posted further would be a waste of time.

    But I thought it was through the teachings of Jesus Christ that we should deam our moral responsibility?

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  • theFightingtide said...

    Indeed, that could be the case, however, that does not change the fact that Paul was indeed a converted religious man, and because of Matthew 28:19-20 was given the authority to go out and profess what he believed in.

    I am confused as to what y'all are trying to say. Are we debating Paul's faith or qualifications to write these letters?

    Joseph Smith had experiences that made him a religious man. I guess I should become a Morman.

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    Okay, WHERE IN THE TEACHING OF JESUS CHRIST DOES IT SAY HOMOSEXUALITY IS WRONG?

    Is that better?

    John 10:43-36

    Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?

    Specifically verse 35

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    Joseph Smith had experiences that made him a religious man. I guess I should become a Morman.

    I am not a mormon, nor am I debating on Joseph Smith, therefore I am not inclined to to talk about him.

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  • rms02d said...

    Everyone knows that homosexuality is mentioned in the new testament. The problem is most of the the blatant or cruder references to Homosexuality are in the old testament.

    Its a bit funny that Protestant Christians love citing the Old Testament when homosexuality is mentioned, but say the Old Testament doesn't matter when it forbids eating shellfish or lobster.

    You have to realize also that many of the criticism in the New Testament regarding Homosexuality was directed at the Roman aristocracy at the time. Nero was a blatant effeminate homosexual and may books were written during his reign.

    If Pat Robertson got a chance to make up a story for the bible (Alas, he is 1700 years too late) he would warn against the dangers of "democratic black muslim socialism", or some other critisicm of the establishment that he views hostile to his worldview.

    When you learn the history of the world during the centuries when bible was written, you learn that is just a book of moral stories and not the literal word of "God".

    To each his own I guess.

    I disagree, as a Christian I truly believe that when it says this was the word of God then I take it as such. Do I follow everyone of them to a "T", no. But I try my best to live up to that.

    Agree to disagree I suppose.

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  • theFightingtide said...

    I am not a mormon, nor am I debating on Joseph Smith, therefore I am not inclined to to talk about him.

    But yet falling on his head makes Paul a religious man that you should follow based on his experience?
    So I need not follow Joseph Smith, good to know,

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    But yet falling on his head makes Paul a religious man that you should follow based on his experience? So I need not follow Joseph Smith, good to know,

    Hahaha I am just gonna let you believe what you want to believe. I can't force you to believe anything. you asked a question, i provided an answer, it is not my problem if you don't like it.

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  • To any: please explain Matthew 5:17-20 and its relation to the argument of following the OT laws for Christians. TIA.

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  • theFightingtide said...

    Hahaha I am just gonna let you believe what you want to believe. I can't force you to believe anything. you asked a question, i provided an answer, it is not my problem if you don't like it.

    But you never provided an answer on where JESUS said it was wrong.

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  • Mich&RedWingFan said...

    But you never provided an answer on where JESUS said it was wrong.

    John 10: 35 excerpt- and the scripture cannot be set aside. From Jesus himself.

    That is referring to the old testament, which, as we stated, talks a lot about homosexuality.

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