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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Because I have the ability to educate myself with the case and make a decision about what went on, I don't need my hand held by the NCAA. College football players getting money from agents is commonplace. As commonplace as them getting popped for drinking.

    What should I feel ashamed of USC because Reggie Bush took money from an agent?

    Nope, you shouldn't

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  • stoptothink said...

    You do realize that Neal(not Neil) just transferred from one of the top high schools in Arizona to one of the absolute worst so he had a better chance of improving his GPA and getting past the sliding scale because he scored a 700 on the SAT? Duke and Northwestern have the same requirements as everybody else for athlete admissions, so this proves shrug?

    The headline of the article you posted was flat out wrong in reference to Moss, Duckett, and Palmer, what does that say about the credibility of the rest of it? Sarcino says "I've seen the profiles of the athletes over the 40-plus years and the academic profiles of the classes of football players has not changed. ... " Did he miraculously forget all of the prop 48 kids ND took? Tony Rice, Zorich....Not saying saying he is necessarily lying, but a whole lot of that article is not factually correct and that includes what Sarcino is quoted as saying.

    1. It was not a headline.
    2. The director of admissions made no mention of the 3, the author of the article did.
    3 You obviously didn't read the article based on your comments.
    4. Link to article stating Neal changed schools to improve his GPA. Also, how would changing schools for one semester change his GPA?
    5. Why would Neal need to increase his GPA if ND's standards are no different than any other schools?
    6 You claim " all of the prop 48" players. Do you know how many they admitted?

    Either you think the director of admissions is lying or you have to believe ND has higher standards...which is it?

    These articles appears to disagree with you regarding Duke. I am sure you have a link to back up your claim?
    http://www.math.duke.edu/~hain/athletics/questions.html
    http://dukechronicle.com/article/how-deal-student-athlete

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by dpfenny on 5/17/2012 at 10:51 PM

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  • IrishImpact said...

    Just noticed you're a Nebraska fan and you're calling ND irrelevant? Dude who are you to throw stones??

    I'll go with the three national titles since your team has last been relevant. It starts and ends there.

    IDWIW

  • dpfenny said...

    1. It was not a headline. 2. The director of admissions made no mention of the 3, the author of the article did. 3 You obviously didn't read the article based on your comments. 4. Link to article stating Neal changed schools to improve his GPA. Also, how would changing schools for one semester change his GPA? 5. Why would Neal need to increase his GPA if ND's standards are no different than any other schools? 6 You claim " all of the prop 48" players. Do you know how many they admitted?

    Either you think the director of admissions is lying or you have to believe ND has higher standards...which is it?

    These articles appears to disagree with you regarding Duke. I am sure you have a link to back up your claim? http://www.math.duke.edu/~hain/athletics/questions.html http://dukechronicle.com/article/how-deal-student-athlete

    Aye. It was not a headline(it was the headline of your post), but it is a statement in the article which is not factually correct. Neal needs to increase his GPA because currently he isn't getting past the clearinghouse. My mother's husband happens to be an assistant at Centennial which is in the same division as Chaparral(Neal's former school), the reason for his transfer is well known in the area and Kelly himself stated he believed the transfer was for academic reasons http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/story/_/id/7621978/notre-dame-fighting-irish-football-recruit-davonte-neal-transfers-high-school. The director of admissions made a statement that was factually incorrect as it was hardly any secret that a number of NDs biggest stars were prop 48 kids; either he is not telling the truth or is senile, you decide. You posted an article which has a number of factually incorrect statements, but we are supposed believe its overall premise?

    Uhhh, nowhere in your link does it even suggest that Duke has standards above the clearinghouse, but it does say this:

    "While the athletic director claims there is no student with a 700 or 710 SAT score in the program right now, it does not mean that the athletic department has not pursued student athletes with low scores in the past. In recent years, two of Duke's most publicized recruits were questionable when it came to academic requirements, not only for Duke, but for the NCAA..."

    Some evidence you got here.

    This post was edited by stoptothink on 5/17/2012 at 11:18 PM

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  • There is a lot of USC underage drinking going on at Club Ripples just off campus...or so mark sanchez says....

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Because I have the ability to educate myself with the case and make a decision about what went on, I don't need my hand held by the NCAA. College football players getting money from agents is commonplace. As commonplace as them getting popped for drinking.

    What should I feel ashamed of USC because Reggie Bush took money from an agent?

    Do these players not represent the Universities? Last I looked these players aren't getting paid...

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  • ScarletnCream said...

    I'll go with the three national titles since your team has last been relevant. It starts and ends there.

    3 National Titles...yawn

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  • No one will ever beat our record

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  • aumajorpain said...

    No one will ever beat our record

    For criminals?

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  • I guess Miami will have to play the roll of "The Catholics" this year shrug

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  • andrew32 said...

    I guess Miami will have to play the roll of "The Catholics" this year shrug

    Now let's not be ridiculous

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  • PBeuerlein said...

    Kid was cited for underage drinking at his own house back home in Illinois. Pretty much the story right there.

    Can't believe these kind of things still go on. What is this world coming too?roflmao Hell if my dad was former NFL DL Phillip Daniels would have been much more than a little boozing going on. Next time Phillip, Chris Collinsworth, and David Robinson should rent a small island for the team to partake in these horrible transgressions. cheers

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  • Action Figure said...

    It makes a lot of sense, that's why Amir Carlisle wants to come back to SC. I mean, what player in their right mind would want to have that clown all in their grill?

    lol next time you talk to Amir tell him I wish he'd sit out this year.thumbsup

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    We have ZERO room to talk about player issues. This is very sad news, this kid is basically a good kid, who did a stupid thing.

    Lots of holes in our glass house to be throwing them out....I just hope and pray all these kids, no matter the program, learn their lesson and turn it around.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    This post is laughable. They had TWO good years. Remind you of anything? It should. 2005-2006 at ND. Stanford will surely digress.

    Have to disagree with this comment.

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  • stoptothink said...

    Aye. It was not a headline(it was the headline of your post), but it is a statement in the article which is not factually correct. Neal needs to increase his GPA because currently he isn't getting past the clearinghouse. My mother's husband happens to be an assistant at Centennial which is in the same division as Chaparral(Neal's former school), the reason for his transfer is well known in the area and Kelly himself stated he believed the transfer was for academic reasons http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/story/_/id/7621978/notre-dame-fighting-irish-football-recruit-davonte-neal-transfers-high-school. The director of admissions made a statement that was factually incorrect as it was hardly any secret that a number of NDs biggest stars were prop 48 kids; either he is not telling the truth or is senile, you decide. You posted an article which has a number of factually incorrect statements, but we are supposed believe its overall premise?

    Uhhh, nowhere in your link does it even suggest that Duke has standards above the clearinghouse, but it does say this:

    "While the athletic director claims there is no student with a 700 or 710 SAT score in the program right now, it does not mean that the athletic department has not pursued student athletes with low scores in the past. In recent years, two of Duke's most publicized recruits were questionable when it came to academic requirements, not only for Duke, but for the NCAA..."

    Some evidence you got here.

    ND accepted 2 prop 48 players in 1986 only...not "many". Tony Rice and John Foley...so much for "a number of ND's biggest stars". You obviously do not care for the facts. Kelly made no statement regarding Neal needing to improve his academics. That is simply false. Rivals reports Neal's GPA as a 3.2. Once again, tell me how transferring for one semester would increase that number. You have already proven you did not read the article. Instead of making more uninformed comments, try reading the article, then tell us all where you believe the director of admissions is lying.

    As for Duke, it is clear they have a higher standard. Just like ND, they will not offer a certain percentage of recruits that they believe will not be able to handle the academic workload to be successful at their schools. It is a fact, the analysts all acknowledge it.

    Link to Neal getting a 700 on his SAT?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by dpfenny on 5/18/2012 at 8:37 AM

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  • dpfenny said...

    ND accepted 2 prop 48 players in 1986 only...not "many". Tony Rice and John Foley...so much for "a number of ND's biggest stars". You obviously do not care for the facts. Kelly made no statement regarding Neal needing to improve his academics. That is simply false. Rivals reports Neal's GPA as a 3.2. Once again, tell me how transferring for one semester would increase that number. You have already proven you did not read the article. Instead of making more uninformed comments, try reading the article, then tell us all where you believe the director of admissions is lying.

    As for Duke, it is clear they have a higher standard. Just like ND, they will not offer a certain percentage of recruits that they believe will not be able to handle the academic workload to be successful at their schools. It is a fact, the analysts all acknowledge it.

    Link to Neal getting a 700 on his SAT?

    give it up.

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  • stoptothink said...

    give it up.

    Yes you should. It is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

    No link to Neal's supposed 700 score?

    No cut and paste of where the director of admissions was lying?

    No link of more than 2 prop 48 players and in years other than 1986?

    dpfenny

  • IrishImpact said...

    How can you say sanctions don't mean anyhthing? What a silly comment. You are obviously raised or come from a place with no sort of values. So why don't you move along.

    Here comes the holy act

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  • dpfenny said...

    Yes you should. It is obvious you have no idea what you are talking about.

    No link to Neal's supposed 700 score?

    No cut and paste of where the director of admissions was lying?

    No link of more than 2 prop 48 players and in years other than 1986?

    In the article you linked as evidence, the three said to have been turned down by Notre Dame admissions went elsewhere for other known reasons, so they were never in fact in a position to be turned down by ND admissions; does that not provide doubt that anything else in the article is relevant or even true? ND has had numerous players on the very borderline of the NCAA sliding scale for decades, including prop-48 kids, does that not directly contradict the statement made by Sarcino? The Duke AD stated in your very own link that a number of his star players were on the borderline of the clearinghouse standards, does that not completely contradict the point you were attempting to make? They offer the exact same kids everybody else does(not 40% or 50% ; virtually every kid that signs with USC or Ohio State et all. has an ND offer), every single year, and never have an issue getting them in. Can you name a single recruit that committed to ND and then got turned down by admissions and went somewhere else, ala Stanford? They don't ever lose a recruit to other schools due to academics. It's an excuse, one that you never heard when the Irish were actually winning.

    This post was edited by stoptothink on 5/18/2012 at 10:45 AM

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  • star69 said...

    Have to disagree with this comment.

    There's not even enough there to disagree with lol

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  • joetheogre said...

    Here comes the holy act

    What act? So sanctions are no big deal to you?

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  • stoptothink said...

    It's an excuse, one that you never heard when the Irish were actually winning.

    To be fair you had to be able to read Morse code to know about excuses while they were winning.

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  • Under Review said...

    To be fair you had to be able to read Morse code to know about excuses while they were winning.

    We never had to cheat to win so atleast there's that.

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  • stoptothink said...

    In the article you linked as evidence, the three said to have been turned down by Notre Dame admissions went elsewhere for other known reasons, so they were never in fact in a position to be turned down by ND admissions; does that not provide doubt that anything else in the article is relevant or even true? ND has had numerous players on the very borderline of the NCAA sliding scale for decades, including prop-48 kids, does that not directly contradict the statement made by Sarcino? The Duke AD stated in your very own link that a number of his star players were on the borderline of the clearinghouse standards, does that not completely contradict the point you were attempting to make? They offer the exact same kids everybody else does(not 40% or 50% ; virtually every kid that signs with USC or Ohio State et all. has an ND offer), every single year, and never have an issue getting them in. Can you name a single recruit that committed to ND and then got turned down by admissions and went somewhere else, ala Stanford? They don't ever lose a recruit to other schools due to academics. It's an excuse, one that you never heard when the Irish were actually winning.

    The author of the article making a false statement does not discredit anything quoted by the director of admissions unless you are claiming the author misquoted the director.

    ND has admitted 2 prop 48 players in 1986. Please link the statement by Sarcino that contradicts that.

    Both Duke and ND excude many recruits because of academics. Only a complete moron and or hater would argue otherwise. As the Duke article clearly states that just because they take one with a low score in a category that doesn't mean it is the standard or the norm. Each recruit is judged on many levels to decide if they think he can succeed at a school like Duke or ND. It is really not hard to understand. You are simply ignoring what is in the article about Duke and what Saracino stated because for some reason you have a problem with ND. It is a fact that many recruits are not accepted by ND and Duke admissions.

    Still no link to Neal scoring a 700 on his SAT?

    Still no link to "many" prop 48 players?

    Link to Kelly claiming Neal transferred because he needed to get his grades higher? Rivals says Neal has a 3.2 gpa, why would he need to get them higher?

    Since you obviously have not read the article I will cut and paste a few quotes from the director of admission. Please point out which ones are lies.

    "The coaches are out there trying to assess athletic talent and then also trying to decide if they have the academic background to be successful here," Saracino said. "And the coaches don't waste my time by presenting a young man who isn't close to being a competitive candidate for admission."

    "If you're not interested in being a student-athlete [after looking at the academic requirements], then Notre Dame is not a good match for you," Saracino said. "We are who we are, and we're proud of it. [The academic requirements are] not a hindrance to the program, it's to want the young man not to be used for just his athletic abilities."

    "Are there going to be young men who are great athletes who we cannot admit? Sure," Saracino said. "...Of the top 100 [recruits], maybe there will be 50 that we can't sign. I don't know whether that number is 20, 30, 40, 60, I don't know. All we know is we just need 20 [recruits] each year who academically can make it through Notre Dame and athletically can help us."

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