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Non Bama, AU, or Arky fans - Better coach Petrino or Chizik

  • BetterOff said...

    I would argue with an Alabama perspective.

    We have had a much easier time with Petrino led teams than we have with those led by Chizik. I know Auburn had two extremely talented players in 2010, but the other teams that Petrino had more experienced talent than anything we have faced from Auburn yet under Chizik.

    To argue Arkansas has not been as talented as Auburn is crazy. 2012, but mainly 2013 will be the first years that Auburn will have true experienced talent that was recruited by Chizik. Cam and Fairley don't deserve all the credit for Auburn's success and if you want to believe that, you could say that Mallet/Wilson and Adams/Davis deserve all the credit for Petrino's success.

    Eventually you have to give a coach credit for the players that they have. Just like if you want to argue that Saban is not a great coach because of the talent that he has. Then, I would point to a 2008 season when the talent level wasn't really that great across the board.

    Petrino Vs Saban is a styles matchup advantage for Bama. In boxing they say styles make fights and thats true in football sometimes. Arkansas' style of offense with the deep drops and power run plays, plays right into Alabama's defensive style. Gus Mal was able to keep Alabama's defense off balance for the most part with his unorthodox style. Last year Gus just didnt have a QB so I'm willing to overlook the 42-14...

    But in overlooking that beatdown I have to wonder why AU doesnt have a QB? Petrino signed enough QB's in first class to carry him through this year..(Mallet and Wilson)..He signed a 1st rd caliber RB..He signed 3 outstandig WR'S..Auburn signs 4-5 star WR's every year but when you see them play you wonder why they were ranked so high..Petrino signed a bunch of 3 star WR's in that first class and they all became NFL prospects..Who's the better recruiter?

    EDJR30

  • TalHawkins112 said...

    The Auburn fans keep contending Chizik is a better recruiter. If they want to contend that, I can admit he has a leg up on Petrino.

    But then they have to admit they have more talent than Arkansas and have done less with it. They've lost to Arkansas both years they were without Cam.

    Also, just because Alabama has had an easier time against Arkansas than Auburn, so what? It's a Rivalry game against Auburn, there isn't the same intensity against Arkansas.

    BS on the intensity side. The Alabama game is the one game that Petrino starts preparing for in the offseason. They spend an entire week on that game during spring practice. They lose because they are soft up front.

    I do think Chizik is a better recruiter, but there is not a ton left from that first class and this is really only the 3rd class that he brought in that will be true freshmen.

    Auburn will have more talent than Arkansas either this year or next, but Arkansas has still been more talented than Auburn up until now.

    BetterOff

  • EDJR30 said...

    Petrino Vs Saban is a styles matchup advantage for Bama. In boxing they say styles make fights and thats true in football sometimes. Arkansas' style of offense with the deep drops and power run plays, plays right into Alabama's defensive style. Gus Mal was able to keep Alabama's defense off balance for the most part with his unorthodox style. Last year Gus just didnt have a QB so I'm willing to overlook the 42-14...

    But in overlooking that beatdown I have to wonder why AU doesnt have a QB? Petrino signed enough QB's in first class to carry him through this year..(Mallet and Wilson)..He signed a 1st rd caliber RB..He signed 3 outstandig WR'S..Auburn signs 4-5 star WR's every year but when you see them play you wonder why they were ranked so high..Petrino signed a bunch of 3 star WR's in that first class and they all became NFL prospects..Who's the better recruiter?

    Auburn's receivers did pretty decent against us in 2009 and 2010, probably more so than Arkansas's receivers.

    You wonder why Auburn doesn't have a QB, but overlook that 2 out of the 3 years in which Arkansas has had an NFL level QB, we have stomped them by at least 3 TDs.

    I have said that I would rather have Petrino at Bama, but I would also rather have a MNC and the future that Auburn has ahead of them more than what Arkansas has in front of them.

    Auburn has a lot of good talent, but they were all freshmen and sophomores and that won't win you games against top teams.

    BetterOff

  • im sure this has probably been said but what chiz does this year will really tell how good of coach he is

    This post was edited by Pichelmayer on 4/5/2012 at 10:56 AM

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  • TalHawkins112 said...

    And anyone could have won with Cam and Fairley in 2010.

    That's so easy to say and completely not true. The second half of that season was an absolute circus at Auburn with the constant media attention, investigation, etc. He was working with one of the worst defenses ever to win a BCS title. His Heisman winning QB had his worst game of the year in the biggest game of the year. Not to mention 0-24 on the road in maybe the toughest venue to play at in college football. No way Petrino would have kept a team together through all that.

    Big A

  • Pichelmayer said...

    im sure this has probably been said but what chiz does this year will really tell how good of coach he is

    I still say 2013 is the year to point to for a grade.

    As good as recruiting has been, I still think he lost a couple players to the NCAA cloud.

    I still give him a very high grade off the 2009 season alone and for the MSU and USCe wins last year against what were better teams, along with the close loss at Clemson.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    BS on the intensity side. The Alabama game is the one game that Petrino starts preparing for in the offseason. They spend an entire week on that game during spring practice. They lose because they are soft up front.

    I do think Chizik is a better recruiter, but there is not a ton left from that first class and this is really only the 3rd class that he brought in that will be true freshmen.

    Auburn will have more talent than Arkansas either this year or next, but Arkansas has still been more talented than Auburn up until now.

    Arkansas will have more talent than Auburn for a while. Dont get hung up on recruiting rankings dude. You also keep bringing up Arkansas vs bama comapred to Auburn VS Bama. Thats a totally outside the box debate. Auburns offensive style matched up better against Alabama. Arkansas' receivers have performed better against all other teams besides Alabama than Auburns. Again its Petrino's style vs Saban. Arkansas is not soft up fron. Thats a ridiculous statement. They look soft when they play Alabama but look at all of their other games.

    Adams, Childs, wright, Mallet, Wilson were all a part of Petrino's first class class. Knile Davis was right behind Trent Richardson the NFL big board before he hurt his knee. Petrino signed , William Gay, Amoboe akoy, Brian Brohm, Harry douglas and more while he was at louisville. He's an outstanding recruiter. Gene Chiziks best signee at Iowa state was James Carpenter...

    EDJR30

  • EDJR30 said...

    Arkansas will have more talent than Auburn for a while. Dont get hung up on recruiting rankings dude. You also keep bringing up Arkansas vs bama comapred to Auburn VS Bama. Thats a totally outside the box debate. Auburns offensive style matched up better against Alabama. Arkansas' receivers have performed better against all other teams besides Alabama than Auburns. Again its Petrino's style vs Saban. Arkansas is not soft up fron. Thats a ridiculous statement. They look soft when they play Alabama but look at all of their other games.

    Adams, Childs, wright, Mallet, Wilson were all a part of Petrino's first class class. Knile Davis was right behind Trent Richardson the NFL big board before he hurt his knee. Petrino signed , William Gay, Amoboe akoy, Brian Brohm, Harry douglas and more while he was at louisville. He's an outstanding recruiter. Gene Chiziks best signee at Iowa state was James Carpenter...

    Have said I would rather have Petrino as my coach, but I think Auburn has a better chance to compete at the highest level and that was proven in 2010.

    I just don't think the gap is that great.

    BetterOff

  • dont think petrino will be there forever now

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  • Pichelmayer said...

    dont think petrino will be there forever now

    I agree. Eventually he has to want a top program with all the resources and a good recruiting base.

    BetterOff

  • Big A said...

    That's so easy to say and completely not true. The second half of that season was an absolute circus at Auburn with the constant media attention, investigation, etc. He was working with one of the worst defenses ever to win a BCS title. His Heisman winning QB had his worst game of the year in the biggest game of the year. Not to mention 0-24 on the road in maybe the toughest venue to play at in college football. No way Petrino would have kept a team together through all that.

    My argument is the game should have never been 24-0. It was obvious Auburn was not prepared and the game plan was no good. Mistakes by Alabama, injuries to Alabama, and Cam putting the team on his back and carrying them won the game for Auburn. There were other games when Auburn faced double digit deficits early on which says to me the team wasn't exactly ready. I think the point is most coaches could have won with Cam in 2010 and probably not fallen into such big holes as Chizik did and made the games so close. What makes you think Chizik did something special? Cam was an absolute monster, pretty much unstoppable, and Chizik has gone 21-29 outside of 2010. Why do you think a coach with that record could do it and coaches with better records, better resumes, couldn't? What else does Chizik have on his resume as a head coach that impresses you? A couple of 8-5 seasons? A 5-19 record at Iowa State?

    As for "one of the worst defenses ever to win a BCS title", I couldn't agree more. Isn't Chizik a defensive coach though? What exactly did Chizik have to do with Cam and Malzahn's offense which as you essentially said was the reason for Auburn's BCS title? Pretty much nothing and he had to be talked into taking Newton in the first place.

    To break it down...Cam's dominance and Malzahn's offense won the BCS title for Auburn despite a bad defense of which Chizik is supposed to be in charge of. Every other season, Chizik's defense has been shit. Every other season, all 4 without Cam, Chizik has lost 5+ games. The difference is, Petrino proved at Louisville that he could win and win big. He has proven at Arkansas that he can win big in more than one season. All Chizik has PROVEN is he can win big with a monumental talent for one season, which most coaches could have done, and be very mediocre to bad the rest of the time.

    HADOUKEN

  • RTR13 said...

    My argument is the game should have never been 24-0. It was obvious Auburn was not prepared and the game plan was no good. Mistakes by Alabama, injuries to Alabama, and Cam putting the team on his back and carrying them won the game for Auburn. There were other games when Auburn faced double digit deficits early on which says to me the team wasn't exactly ready. I think the point is most coaches could have won with Cam in 2010 and probably not fallen into such big holes as Chizik did and made the games so close. What makes you think Chizik did something special? Cam was an absolute monster, pretty much unstoppable, and Chizik has gone 21-29 outside of 2010. Why do you think a coach with that record could do it and coaches with better records, better resumes, couldn't? What else does Chizik have on his resume as a head coach that impresses you? A couple of 8-5 seasons? A 5-19 record at Iowa State?

    As for "one of the worst defenses ever to win a BCS title", I couldn't agree more. Isn't Chizik a defensive coach though? What exactly did Chizik have to do with Cam and Malzahn's offense which as you essentially said was the reason for Auburn's BCS title? Pretty much nothing and he had to be talked into taking Newton in the first place.

    To break it down...Cam's dominance and Malzahn's offense won the BCS title for Auburn despite a bad defense of which Chizik is supposed to be in charge of. Every other season, Chizik's defense has been shit. Every other season, all 4 without Cam, Chizik has lost 5+ games. The difference is, Petrino proved at Louisville that he could win and win big. He has proven at Arkansas that he can win big in more than one season. All Chizik has PROVEN is he can win big with a monumental talent for one season, which most coaches could have done, and be very mediocre to bad the rest of the time.

    so u're saying that petrino can ride a motorcycle better than chizik?

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  • RTR13 said...

    My argument is the game should have never been 24-0. It was obvious Auburn was not prepared and the game plan was no good. Mistakes by Alabama, injuries to Alabama, and Cam putting the team on his back and carrying them won the game for Auburn. There were other games when Auburn faced double digit deficits early on which says to me the team wasn't exactly ready. I think the point is most coaches could have won with Cam in 2010 and probably not fallen into such big holes as Chizik did and made the games so close. What makes you think Chizik did something special? Cam was an absolute monster, pretty much unstoppable, and Chizik has gone 21-29 outside of 2010. Why do you think a coach with that record could do it and coaches with better records, better resumes, couldn't? What else does Chizik have on his resume as a head coach that impresses you? A couple of 8-5 seasons? A 5-19 record at Iowa State?

    As for "one of the worst defenses ever to win a BCS title", I couldn't agree more. Isn't Chizik a defensive coach though? What exactly did Chizik have to do with Cam and Malzahn's offense which as you essentially said was the reason for Auburn's BCS title? Pretty much nothing and he had to be talked into taking Newton in the first place.

    To break it down...Cam's dominance and Malzahn's offense won the BCS title for Auburn despite a bad defense of which Chizik is supposed to be in charge of. Every other season, Chizik's defense has been shit. Every other season, all 4 without Cam, Chizik has lost 5+ games. The difference is, Petrino proved at Louisville that he could win and win big. He has proven at Arkansas that he can win big in more than one season. All Chizik has PROVEN is he can win big with a monumental talent for one season, which most coaches could have done, and be very mediocre to bad the rest of the time.

    I think most people outside of auburn viewed chizik as a passenger on that 2010 team..Gus was great, cam was great but chiziks defense, his specialty was the weak link. You have to consider that fact in this debate.

    EDJR30

  • Petrino by a mile. Top 5 coach in CFB over past couple decades imo. He was only coach that really had Ellis Johnsins number

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    yellowfin

  • yellowfin said...

    Petrino by a mile. Top 5 coach in CFB over past couple decades imo. He was only coach that really had Ellis Johnsins number

    Could you further explain the top 5 nomination? Thats really really pushing it, imo.

    Saban
    Meyer
    Carroll
    Miles
    Spurrier
    Carr
    Bowden
    Tressel
    Stoops
    Beamer

    CRgator1

  • Auburn is training Chizik to be an AD. Its obvious. Look how he biatch slapped Schadd.

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  • CRgator1 said...

    Could you further explain the top 5 nomination? Thats really really pushing it, imo.

    Saban Meyer Carroll Miles Spurrier Carr Bowden Tressel Stoops Beamer

    Not to mention, Mack Brown, Jim Harbaugh, Bill Snyder, Rich Rodriguez (horrible at Michigan, but can't overlook the success at WVU), Beliema (sp?), Barry Alvarez, Chip Kelly, Bo Pelini, and even Tommy Tuberville (while at Auburn).

    Petrino has to be a top the list of coaches that have never won their Division at the BCS level. I will give him that.

    He is in the Pat Fitzgerald, Kirk Ferentz, Brian Kelly, Lane Kiffin, Mark D'Antonio, and Mike Gundy level, IYAM, although Gundy, D'Antonio and Ferentz have conference titles at the BCS level.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    Not to mention, Mack Brown, Jim Harbaugh, Bill Snyder, Rich Rodriguez (horrible at Michigan, but can't overlook the success at WVU), Beliema (sp?), Barry Alvarez, Chip Kelly, Bo Pelini, and even Tommy Tuberville (while at Auburn).

    Petrino has to be a top the list of coaches that have never won their Division at the BCS level. I will give him that.

    He is in the Pat Fitzgerald, Kirk Ferentz, Brian Kelly, Lane Kiffin, Mark D'Antonio, and Mike Gundy level, IYAM, although Gundy, D'Antonio and Ferentz have conference titles at the BCS level.

    Yeah I couldve went on, but there's no way his post couldve been serious, lol

    I mean, I hope not.

    CRgator1

  • CRgator1 said...

    Could you further explain the top 5 nomination? Thats really really pushing it, imo.

    Saban Meyer Carroll Miles Spurrier Carr Bowden Tressel Stoops Beamer

    Of those only Beamer, and now Spurrier have had to recruit/win at less than a top 5-7 program(granted Spurrier and Bowden made their programs, as did Beamer). It's a bit different being a great coach at those programs.

    Perhaps over-stepped a touch, but not much. If I trusted the man to stay, he would be one of my top 5 picks as HBC at my school today. How bout that? I just dont trust him, and nobody should.

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    yellowfin

  • You can't argue either coach based off how they do against us. The Iron Bowl is normally played closer due to the extreme hatred between the two.

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  • I have no doubt Petrino is better than Chizik at pulling tail now.

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    kitemac

  • kitemac said...

    I have no doubt Petrino is better than Chizik at pulling tail now.

    On the surface it looks that way, but with her being a biker chick, I wonder if she's seen Gene in the jacket.

    BetterOff

  • petrino cheats

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    Pichelmayer

  • I know Chizik is a better deliverer of national championships and bowl victories than Petrino. If Chizik wins another national title, Bama fans may kill themselves, or others...

    ...or our trees...

    ...again.

    Chizik has about as impressive a resume' you can have as a DC and has accomplished more in 5 years as a HC than 99% of coaches do in their entire careers. Good enough for me. He also doesn't embarrass the AU program.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by HowardRoarkAU on 4/7/2012 at 1:57 AM

    HowardRoarkAU

  • EDJR30 said...

    But in overlooking that beatdown I have to wonder why AU doesnt have a QB? Petrino signed enough QB's in first class to carry him through this year..(Mallet and Wilson)..He signed a 1st rd caliber RB..He signed 3 outstandig WR'S..Auburn signs 4-5 star WR's every year but when you see them play you wonder why they were ranked so high..Petrino signed a bunch of 3 star WR's in that first class and they all became NFL prospects..Who's the better recruiter?

    -Chizik signed a 1st rd caliber RB... the kid got in trouble and was kicked off the team after 2 successful seasons
    -luckily, Chizik has us 594027 highly ranked RBs to fight for his position this year
    -which WRs are you referring to? Darvin wasn't a prototypical NFL prospect but he was a 3* and a hell of a college player... eventually made the Panthers' active roster; Emory Blake, a 4*, is the best returning WR in the SEC and will be drafted in the NFL.
    -Chizik signed a 4* QB his first class, but, being the man he is, he kicked Rollison off the team for failing drug tests.
    -Corey Lemonier was #2 in the SEC in sacks last season, iirc.

    HowardRoarkAU