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BetterOff said...
I would argue with an Alabama perspective.
We have had a much easier time with Petrino led teams than we have with those led by Chizik. I know Auburn had two extremely talented players in 2010, but the other teams that Petrino had more experienced talent than anything we have faced from Auburn yet under Chizik.
To argue Arkansas has not been as talented as Auburn is crazy. 2012, but mainly 2013 will be the first years that Auburn will have true experienced talent that was recruited by Chizik. Cam and Fairley don't deserve all the credit for Auburn's success and if you want to believe that, you could say that Mallet/Wilson and Adams/Davis deserve all the credit for Petrino's success.
Eventually you have to give a coach credit for the players that they have. Just like if you want to argue that Saban is not a great coach because of the talent that he has. Then, I would point to a 2008 season when the talent level wasn't really that great across the board.
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TalHawkins112 said...
The Auburn fans keep contending Chizik is a better recruiter. If they want to contend that, I can admit he has a leg up on Petrino.
But then they have to admit they have more talent than Arkansas and have done less with it. They've lost to Arkansas both years they were without Cam.
Also, just because Alabama has had an easier time against Arkansas than Auburn, so what? It's a Rivalry game against Auburn, there isn't the same intensity against Arkansas.
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Petrino Vs Saban is a styles matchup advantage for Bama. In boxing they say styles make fights and thats true in football sometimes. Arkansas' style of offense with the deep drops and power run plays, plays right into Alabama's defensive style. Gus Mal was able to keep Alabama's defense off balance for the most part with his unorthodox style. Last year Gus just didnt have a QB so I'm willing to overlook the 42-14...
But in overlooking that beatdown I have to wonder why AU doesnt have a QB? Petrino signed enough QB's in first class to carry him through this year..(Mallet and Wilson)..He signed a 1st rd caliber RB..He signed 3 outstandig WR'S..Auburn signs 4-5 star WR's every year but when you see them play you wonder why they were ranked so high..Petrino signed a bunch of 3 star WR's in that first class and they all became NFL prospects..Who's the better recruiter?
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BetterOff said...
BS on the intensity side. The Alabama game is the one game that Petrino starts preparing for in the offseason. They spend an entire week on that game during spring practice. They lose because they are soft up front.
I do think Chizik is a better recruiter, but there is not a ton left from that first class and this is really only the 3rd class that he brought in that will be true freshmen.
Auburn will have more talent than Arkansas either this year or next, but Arkansas has still been more talented than Auburn up until now.
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Arkansas will have more talent than Auburn for a while. Dont get hung up on recruiting rankings dude. You also keep bringing up Arkansas vs bama comapred to Auburn VS Bama. Thats a totally outside the box debate. Auburns offensive style matched up better against Alabama. Arkansas' receivers have performed better against all other teams besides Alabama than Auburns. Again its Petrino's style vs Saban. Arkansas is not soft up fron. Thats a ridiculous statement. They look soft when they play Alabama but look at all of their other games.
Adams, Childs, wright, Mallet, Wilson were all a part of Petrino's first class class. Knile Davis was right behind Trent Richardson the NFL big board before he hurt his knee. Petrino signed , William Gay, Amoboe akoy, Brian Brohm, Harry douglas and more while he was at louisville. He's an outstanding recruiter. Gene Chiziks best signee at Iowa state was James Carpenter...
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That's so easy to say and completely not true. The second half of that season was an absolute circus at Auburn with the constant media attention, investigation, etc. He was working with one of the worst defenses ever to win a BCS title. His Heisman winning QB had his worst game of the year in the biggest game of the year. Not to mention 0-24 on the road in maybe the toughest venue to play at in college football. No way Petrino would have kept a team together through all that.
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My argument is the game should have never been 24-0. It was obvious Auburn was not prepared and the game plan was no good. Mistakes by Alabama, injuries to Alabama, and Cam putting the team on his back and carrying them won the game for Auburn. There were other games when Auburn faced double digit deficits early on which says to me the team wasn't exactly ready. I think the point is most coaches could have won with Cam in 2010 and probably not fallen into such big holes as Chizik did and made the games so close. What makes you think Chizik did something special? Cam was an absolute monster, pretty much unstoppable, and Chizik has gone 21-29 outside of 2010. Why do you think a coach with that record could do it and coaches with better records, better resumes, couldn't? What else does Chizik have on his resume as a head coach that impresses you? A couple of 8-5 seasons? A 5-19 record at Iowa State?
As for "one of the worst defenses ever to win a BCS title", I couldn't agree more. Isn't Chizik a defensive coach though? What exactly did Chizik have to do with Cam and Malzahn's offense which as you essentially said was the reason for Auburn's BCS title? Pretty much nothing and he had to be talked into taking Newton in the first place.
To break it down...Cam's dominance and Malzahn's offense won the BCS title for Auburn despite a bad defense of which Chizik is supposed to be in charge of. Every other season, Chizik's defense has been shit. Every other season, all 4 without Cam, Chizik has lost 5+ games. The difference is, Petrino proved at Louisville that he could win and win big. He has proven at Arkansas that he can win big in more than one season. All Chizik has PROVEN is he can win big with a monumental talent for one season, which most coaches could have done, and be very mediocre to bad the rest of the time.
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My argument is the game should have never been 24-0. It was obvious Auburn was not prepared and the game plan was no good. Mistakes by Alabama, injuries to Alabama, and Cam putting the team on his back and carrying them won the game for Auburn. There were other games when Auburn faced double digit deficits early on which says to me the team wasn't exactly ready. I think the point is most coaches could have won with Cam in 2010 and probably not fallen into such big holes as Chizik did and made the games so close. What makes you think Chizik did something special? Cam was an absolute monster, pretty much unstoppable, and Chizik has gone 21-29 outside of 2010. Why do you think a coach with that record could do it and coaches with better records, better resumes, couldn't? What else does Chizik have on his resume as a head coach that impresses you? A couple of 8-5 seasons? A 5-19 record at Iowa State?
As for "one of the worst defenses ever to win a BCS title", I couldn't agree more. Isn't Chizik a defensive coach though? What exactly did Chizik have to do with Cam and Malzahn's offense which as you essentially said was the reason for Auburn's BCS title? Pretty much nothing and he had to be talked into taking Newton in the first place.
To break it down...Cam's dominance and Malzahn's offense won the BCS title for Auburn despite a bad defense of which Chizik is supposed to be in charge of. Every other season, Chizik's defense has been shit. Every other season, all 4 without Cam, Chizik has lost 5+ games. The difference is, Petrino proved at Louisville that he could win and win big. He has proven at Arkansas that he can win big in more than one season. All Chizik has PROVEN is he can win big with a monumental talent for one season, which most coaches could have done, and be very mediocre to bad the rest of the time.
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Not to mention, Mack Brown, Jim Harbaugh, Bill Snyder, Rich Rodriguez (horrible at Michigan, but can't overlook the success at WVU), Beliema (sp?), Barry Alvarez, Chip Kelly, Bo Pelini, and even Tommy Tuberville (while at Auburn).
Petrino has to be a top the list of coaches that have never won their Division at the BCS level. I will give him that.
He is in the Pat Fitzgerald, Kirk Ferentz, Brian Kelly, Lane Kiffin, Mark D'Antonio, and Mike Gundy level, IYAM, although Gundy, D'Antonio and Ferentz have conference titles at the BCS level.
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But in overlooking that beatdown I have to wonder why AU doesnt have a QB? Petrino signed enough QB's in first class to carry him through this year..(Mallet and Wilson)..He signed a 1st rd caliber RB..He signed 3 outstandig WR'S..Auburn signs 4-5 star WR's every year but when you see them play you wonder why they were ranked so high..Petrino signed a bunch of 3 star WR's in that first class and they all became NFL prospects..Who's the better recruiter?
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