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Not hiring people who smoke: Ethical?

  • It's legal and was started years ago by a guy from MI

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  • Aussie said...

    I am fine with this. Smokers are constantly taking smoke breaks.

    Whenever I get caught sitting around on my phone at work (I'm a server) I tell my manager that I am on a smoke break lol I don't smoke and I hate it. It affects other people and cigarette butts are a huge source of pollution. Alcohol only affects others once you get too drunk; drinking a beer or taking a shot doesn't mess with someone standing next to you (I am in no way advocating drunk driving).

    StPete_Nole72037

  • I would be for it. I hate working with smokers and its annoying hanging out with friends that smoke cuz they smell like shit and I would rather not go around everywhere smelling like an ash tray.

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  • If you can't go through a full work day, WITH your lunch break without having to step outside to smoke, you should probably quit anyways.

    I worked with a chick that would smoke at least 15 cigarrettes within an 8 hour shift. Never could count on her to be inside for more than 20 minutes at a time.

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    Slevin

  • I'm fine with this especially with the health care stuff. Smokers obviously have much higher risks and I'm assuming would cost more for the company to insure.

    I don't see it as a big deal, personally. I can see why smokers would see differently.

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    psubills62

  • If employer will be providing insurance to them, I have no problem with it.

    MarylandDawg

  • I hate cigarettes mainly because of the cigarettes butts that cover the streets. But I have a problem with someone telling you what you can do in your free time. If you want to eliminate smoke breaks thats fine. Places shouldnt test for pot either

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  • Aussie said...

    I am fine with this. Smokers are constantly taking smoke breaks.

    This.

    Plus the "legal" argument is nullified, now, by pot being legal in some states.. just because you can smoke it doesn't mean you can get a job.

    Don't like it? Quit smoking.

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  • Are smokers discriminated against? Should they be a protected class? Should obese people? Minorities?

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  • I have no problem with it. Not only does my job not hire smokers, but there is a physical and obstacle course to pass to get hired and keep your job. There are a bunch of things that it is illegal to take into account before you are hired. Smoking, drinking, and depending on the job even physical shape are not in those groups. I could choose not to hire you because you have a lisp or stutter if I felt like it.

    osceolafan

  • Employers should be able to hire who they want anyway. That said all the rules in society are starting to get a little ridiculous. And lol at all the pot smokers and drinkers in this thread thinking they have the high ground on this issue. And no I am not a smoker.

    TroyTide

  • disagree with not hiring somebody because they smoke, completely ok with not allowing smoke breaks or smoking on premesis

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Just saw on the news that UAB Medicine is going to start requiring that new employees take a nicotine test to prove they don't smoke before they'll be hired. Current employees who smoke will be "grandfathered in," so to speak. Now, I don't smoke and I don't particularly like when people smoke around me, but is this ethical? Tobacco, as bad as it is, isn't illegal. I could see someone banning smoking at work, but at all?

    Maybe I'm weird, but I've heard a similar argument made against people that drink (IE: You should have to be alcohol free 100% to be hired, or companies should be allowed to require as such). IMO, what I do in my free, non-job time isn't my company's business when what I'm doing is legal (drugs, etc. are an argument for another topic).

    Thoughts? Again, they're not saying you can't smoke at work, they're saying their new employees can't smoke. Ever. Period.

    Wanna send your healthcare premiums through the roof? Start hiring smokers, insurance companies laugh all the way to the bank on this one. It is just smart business to hire young, healthy non-smokers.

    EarshotCock

  • CMXI said...

    This. I live next to a major hospital and it really sends the wrong message when I drive past one of the side roads and there are 30 doctors and nurses taking a smoke break.

    truth lol

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  • CMXI said...

    I don't see a problem with this being a pre-req for enrollment in a company-sponsored health-care plan, but no company should be able to mandate your behavior outside of work unless it affects your actual work product.

    If the company doesn't want to hire smokers, I think it'd be much easier just to tell people up front that the company doesn't offer any smoke breaks at any point throughout the day. That'd probably weed enough people out in advance.

    They aren't mandating behavior, they will only hire non-smokers, if you want to smoke look elsewhere for employment.

    cuznchips28

  • Smokers are the most unconsideret people in the world IMO. They throw buds everywhere, make the people around them inhale the smoke and take numerous smoke breaks while the non-smokers are doing all the work. sorry Smokers.

    WillieMuffcramp


  • I disagree with it. Addiction is a physical illness, and smoking is no different. Would they turn down a diabetic if they were the most qualified? What about someone who struggles with bipolar disorder?

    Who do you want delivering a high risk baby? The smoking obstetrician who has handled hundreds of similar cases or less qualified OB who was hired because he/she doesnt use nicotene?

    Hospital stress management and EAPs are a joke. Healthcare is stressful as hell. The decisions, the hours, etc...

    I suggest a happy medium. Viva could negotiate better rates by requiring new smokng employes to enroll in nicotene cessation programs. Tell UAB "The the better results, the bigger discount". Push this on.grandfathered employees as well. Give them incentives. Lower rates mean more $$$ for everyone.

    Do not allow smoking on campus. Not sure how theyd enforce this at UAB...

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  • captain brandon said...

    I'm a smoke and I call BS. At my work place, we get two 15 minute breaks, 10 am and 3 pm. That's everyone, the front office people rotate so someone is always there to answer the phones and help customers. Yes, I go out back and "burn" one, but I don't take "smoke breaks".

    I personally don't agree with this practice, not because I smoke, but the idea of a company telling me what I can and can't do in my personal life. I'm not your damn slave, when I'm off the clock and off company property, I will do what I damn well please. What's next, fat people, non-christains, companies not hiring because of political views, having a kid out of wedlock, where does it end?

    ...and you have the right to work elsewhere.

    dpfenny

  • WillyDees said...

    I disagree with it. Addiction is a physical illness, and smoking is no different. Would they turn down a diabetic if they were the most qualified? What about someone who struggles with bipolar disorder?

    Who do you want delivering a high risk baby? The smoking obstetrician who has handled hundreds of similar cases or less qualified OB who was hired because he/she doesnt use nicotene?

    Hospital stress management and EAPs are a joke. Healthcare is stressful as hell. The decisions, the hours, etc...

    I suggest a happy medium. Viva could negotiate better rates by requiring new smokng employes to enroll in nicotene cessation programs. Tell UAB "The the better results, the bigger discount". Push this on.grandfathered employees as well. Give them incentives. Lower rates mean more $$$ for everyone.

    Do not allow smoking on campus. Not sure how theyd enforce this at UAB...

    last time i checked - no one was born with a cigarette in their mouth..

    comparing people that choose/chosetosmokeandgotaddicted to people who genetically can't produce enough insulin or have a genetic mood imbalance is the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

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  • WillyDees said...

    Who do you want delivering a high risk baby? The smoking obstetrician who has handled hundreds of similar cases or less qualified OB who was hired because he/she doesnt use nicotene?

    Are those the only two choices? Didn't realize that smokers are the only ones with experience.

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  • dpfenny said...

    ...and you have the right to work elsewhere.

    You missed my point, what's next, one does this more places, then what's after that, what else will companies say you CAN'T do in your personal life.

    I'm fine with no "smoke breaks" or banning from company property. It the idea that someone is telling me what I can can't do on my own time, at home away from work. Like telling me I can't eat fast food or live with my girlfriend without being married.

    This is America, stay out of my personal life.

    This post was edited by captain brandon on 11/15/2012 at 11:40 AM

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  • fsufsu said...

    None of those groups aside from fat people you listed at the end pertain to this discussion. This who conversation is 99% about health care costs, not personal preference.

    Do really think it will stop there?

    Companies are now checking you on-line history, and aren't hiring people based on personal views and posts. People are being fired over fb posts.

    See the pattern........companies trying to control people's personal lives.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    But should the solution be to outlaw (is that the right word?) smoke breaks instead of smoking all together?

    Dang straight that's the right word...

    Outlaw

  • sf2k4 said...

    But should the solution be to outlaw (is that the right word?) smoke breaks instead of smoking all together?

    Dang straight that's the right word...

    Outlaw

  • Outlaw said...

    Dang straight that's the right word...

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