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  • Milosh68 said...

    That's true for the most part. It is up to the donor, and how they earmark it though. Michigan has roughly 7200 large donors....that's almost ND's whole student body. It's also my understanding that there are only a couple of handfuls of teams that have a football program, that actually are self sufficient.

    Why does the amount of donors matter? Isn't the amount of money donated more important than number of donors? Your arguments do far are very weak.

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  • Milosh68 said...

    That's true for the most part. It is up to the donor, and how they earmark it though. Michigan has roughly 7200 large donors....that's almost ND's whole student body. It's also my understanding that there are only a couple of handfuls of teams that have a football program, that actually are self sufficient.

    You are confusing athletic departments with football programs. Most D-1 football programs (almost certainly all in AQ conferences) are profitable, but the schools use the surplus to fund other sports. As a result, probably less than 15-20 of athletic departments are in the black. But, again, this is not an issue that should be relevant to Michigan or ND.

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Why does the amount of donors matter? Isn't the amount of money donated more important than number of donors? Your arguments do far are very weak.

    It's doesn't. I think he confused "per student" with "per donor" (not that either really is relevant to the discussion).

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 10/27/2011 at 6:51 PM

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  • It's all on a percentage based opinion. Michigan has over 40,000 students enrolled every year, and their numbers are from 3 different campus sites, not just the one in Ann Arbor...as a matter of fact they are ranked 112th on a per student figure...and that is from their website.

    Back on topic here now. ND would be foolish to ever join the Big Ten, especially if they go to a 9 -10 game schedule in the conference. The Big Ten's money from the network is not worth ND regionalizing their program over. I would assume that anyone under 35 years old will never fully grasp the cocept of why, or what a true national program is. That is built up over years, and is owed all to Michigan, and fielding Yost...and also USC, and Knute Rockne's wife believe it or not. They are the true players that turned ND into a national program. ND can't sit and play 9 - 10 games in mid western city's. They have to have a look of a national school hence playing in Cali ever year, and on the east coast every year. It's all how the recruits will see it, and how the recruiters going up against them will point out the change, when ND is going for the kids in FL, Ga, Carolina...etc. Those kids want to know that they will be coming close to their home at some point in their 4 - 5 years on campus. The Big Ten's projected schedule will limit what made ND a true national recruiter....and that won't happen over night, but shortly down the road it will. The ACC keeps us in the northeast, east, southeast...especially Fl. Both conferences have solid academics in line with ND. The ACC is just much more fertile, and will be over the next 50 years. I would love to keep only Michigan, and MSU on the schedule, and get rid of the Purdon't game, but would much rather play the teams in Fl. and the Carolina's. ND can hopefully continue with Texas also when this happens. Swarbricks Ideal schedule will consist of USC, Texas, Stanford, and Navy, along with the ACC conference.

    Navy will never leave ND's schedule, as they are the program that kept ND afloat in the 40's when world war II was going on. If it weren't for Navy sending students to Notre Dame back then, ND would have closed it's doors. So ND made an agreement back then that they would always keep Navy on the schedule.

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  • Milosh68 said...

    It's all on a percentage based opinion. Michigan has over 40,000 students enrolled every year, and their numbers are from 3 different campus sites, not just the one in Ann Arbor...as a matter of fact they are ranked 112th on a per student figure...and that is from their website.

    Back on topic here now. ND would be foolish to ever join the Big Ten, especially if they go to a 9 -10 game schedule in the conference. The Big Ten's money from the network is not worth ND regionalizing their program over. I would assume that anyone under 35 years old will never fully grasp the cocept of why, or what a true national program is. That is built up over years, and is owed all to Michigan, and fielding Yost...and also USC, and Knute Rockne's wife believe it or not. They are the true players that turned ND into a national program. ND can't sit and play 9 - 10 games in mid western city's. They have to have a look of a national school hence playing in Cali ever year, and on the east coast every year. It's all how the recruits will see it, and how the recruiters going up against them will point out the change, when ND is going for the kids in FL, Ga, Carolina...etc. Those kids want to know that they will be coming close to their home at some point in their 4 - 5 years on campus. The Big Ten's projected schedule will limit what made ND a true national recruiter....and that won't happen over night, but shortly down the road it will. The ACC keeps us in the northeast, east, southeast...especially Fl. Both conferences have solid academics in line with ND. The ACC is just much more fertile, and will be over the next 50 years. I would love to keep only Michigan, and MSU on the schedule, and get rid of the Purdon't game, but would much rather play the teams in Fl. and the Carolina's. ND can hopefully continue with Texas also when this happens. Swarbricks Ideal schedule will consist of USC, Texas, Stanford, and Navy, along with the ACC conference.

    Navy will never leave ND's schedule, as they are the program that kept ND afloat in the 40's when world war II was going on. If it weren't for Navy sending students to Notre Dame back then, ND would have closed it's doors. So ND made an agreement back then that they would always keep Navy on the schedule.

    huh We're in the B1G and we're a national brand, along with Ohio State, Penn State and even Nebraska.

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  • Not as much as you would like to think. Like I indirectly said earlier. The Big Ten-16 ;) ;) has all great academic schools...but not a true national school like ND. Michigan is the closest thing in that regards though.

    Here is your 3 day old article of the actual numbers for the largest, and richest endowments....and as far as what it matters on the per student numbers, and what they mean, well, it shows which schools have the most potential out there.

    Top 10 Richest Colleges: The Biggest Endowments

    http://www.advisorone.com/2011/10/24/top-10-richest-colleges-the-biggest-endowments

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  • Milosh68 said...

    Not as much as you would like to think. Like I indirectly said earlier. The Big Ten-16 ;) ;) has all great academic schools...but not a true national school like ND. Michigan is the closest thing in that regards though.

    Here is your 3 day old article of the actual numbers for the largest, and richest endowments....and as far as what it matters on the per student numbers, and what they mean, well, it shows which schools have the most potential out there.

    I didn't read your article because you've failed to prove any point and just said the all time winningest program in college football isn't a national program.

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  • Don't read it bro...it only negates all other links above.

    Never said that they weren't national at all...

    we are talking about a few teams that are actually national, and being National is what ND is about. ND has students from every state, and over 100 foreign country's. The 2 brands are totally different, and have totally separate missions when it comes to the "National" title.....would you guess that it has something to do with religion?

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  • Milosh68 said...

    The Big Ten-16 ;) ;) has all great academic schools...but not a true national school like ND. Michigan is the closest thing in that regards.

    That right there is saying that there isn't a national power in the Big10, including Michigan. Your view of ND is heavily distorted and overrated. Your acting as if ND is the greatest program on earth and the only national brand.

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  • National Power, and National program are 2 different things!

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  • Milosh68 said...

    Not as much as you would like to think. Like I indirectly said earlier. The Big Ten-16 ;) ;) has all great academic schools...but not a true national school like ND. Michigan is the closest thing in that regards though.

    Here is your 3 day old article of the actual numbers for the largest, and richest endowments....and as far as what it matters on the per student numbers, and what they mean, well, it shows which schools have the most potential out there.

    You are way overstating the significance of a single statistic: endowment per student. Michigan dwarfs ND nearly across the board in its significance as an educational and cultural institution. In fact, while Michigan was recently ranked by US News as the 14th best university in the world, ND came in at an embarrassing 223rd. Michigan is bigger, has vastly greater resources and has a much more prestigious name globally due to its many top ranked undergraduate and graduate programs and its position as one of the top two or three research universities in the country.

    ND is a fine liberal arts / religious college in the Midwest that is known primarily for a football program that was very good a long time ago, but which hasn't been competitive at the elite level in two decades. If you want to think of ND as a great university with the only true "national" football program, go ahead. It's simply not how the rest of the world thinks of ND.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 10/27/2011 at 8:24 PM

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  • LOSNOLES said...

    Big 10 football sucks as much sausage as Devidees over signing posts

    Why?

    Harry Callahan

  • Milosh68 said...

    National Power, and National program are 2 different things!

    Cool, Michigan is both. You're delusional with your view of ND.

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  • Harry Callahan said...

    Why?

    If you read his other post he was saying that he just likes to rip on devidee.

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  • This thread is so stupid. How many of you do research at a large university where endowment means anything to you in your daily life?

    I'm going to go ahead and assume you guys aren't professors researching cures for cancer.

    This post was edited by Harry Callahan on 10/27/2011 at 8:22 PM

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  • Harry Callahan said...

    This thread is so stupid. How many of you do research at a large university where endowment means anything to you in your daily life?

    I'm going to go ahead and assume you guys aren't professors researching cures for cancer.

    Can we please be allowed to bicker in a petty fashion with our ND rivals in peace? Do you Spartys have to follow us around obsessively (you know, like little brothers always do with their big brothers) and ruin everything?

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 10/27/2011 at 8:31 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Can we please be allowed to bicker in a petty fashion with our ND rivals in peace? Do you Spartys have to follow us around obsessively (you know, like little brothers always do with their big brothers) and ruin everything?

    Oh man, you called me little bro. This makes me so mad! Argh!!!

    Harry Callahan

  • In before the flame war.

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  • psubills62 said...

    So let me ask you - in what ways does the B1G limit the national brand that the ACC doesn't? If you don't think programs like OSU, Michigan, PSU are national brands, I don't know what to tell you. There's several reasons the B1G gets great bowl bids - a major one is because we draw so many fans to them.

    They use this line over and over again to justify their cowardness. South Bend is also one of the crappiest towns in America. Nothing to do and no culture.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Can we please be allowed to bicker in a petty fashion with our ND rivals in peace? Do you Spartys have to follow us around obsessively (you know, like little brothers always do with their big brothers) and ruin everything?

    We actually have a board here unlike a certain fanbase.

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  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    We actually have a board here unlike a certain fanbase.

    Hey, you better watch yourself or I'm gonna get on the horn to Delany. We're one of the protected teams.

    MrWoodson ●

  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    They use this line over and over again to justify their cowardness. South Bend is also one of the crappiest towns in America. Nothing to do and no culture.

    Branch McCraken,

    You are clueless to take a shot saying that the Bend has no culture, and is one of the crappiest towns in America...back it up, and use something that isn't subjective. We could also say that about east Lansing...give me a break with your pot shots into the say no to Michigan slogan brother. where do you hang out at...the bars?

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  • I'll ask it again, why would the Big Ten want to add another mediocre program?

    Notre Dame would be a middle of the pack to bottom Big Ten team year in and year out. They would never sniff a conference championship.

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  • devidee said...

    I'll ask it again, why would the Big Ten want to add another mediocre program?

    Notre Dame would be a middle of the pack to bottom Big Ten team year in and year out. They would never sniff a conference championship.

    With the axle snapping on the OSU bandwagon they dont have room for much more dead weight huh?

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