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usctrojan1 said...
Guys, guys...you're really getting defensive...BetterOff is attempting an intelligent discussion, obviously he is well informed, and he has been extremely complimentary. We all have our own issues we have to face and work with. I don't think that there has been one disrespectful post on this thread.
You guys are better than that, nothing to get defensive about other than you're just damn sick of your program not being up to Irish standards. The bar is set very high for you.
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IrishImpact said...
Nobody understands. It's almost a curse being an Irish fan. So much success the first 70 years of our program doomes us. I think people got sick of seeing ND win. It's almost as if God himself is punishing us now for being so successful.
"Here are provided seats of meditative joy, where shall rise again the destined reign of Troy." Virgil
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Michigan began the crusade against Notre Dame when the Irish began beating them soundly...and didn't play the Irish for 40 years. All these interesting little facts put winning percentages of some of these various programs into perspective...playing the system to pad your winning stats. All that losing to the most dominant football program of it's time, didn't help us one bit.
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blue2468 said...
That is extremely laughable.
Why would we drop Notre Dame just for beating us? Ohio State beat us a lot more during that time, but did we drop them?
Chicago was just as good as us during our early years, and we lost to them multiple times, did we drop them as well?
We stopped playing them after the 1909 year because it was after Chicago mounted an attack over Michigan and we left the Big Ten and we were struggling financially trying to schedule games. It wasn't until 1917 that we entered back into the Big Ten, in which the rules that Chicago put into place (such as restrictive scheduling and other rules created to subdue Michigan) were still into effect. It wasn't until much later that we scheduled them again for a few games, after which we didn't schedule them for a while (we were 9-2 against ND at that time, we sure as heck was not afraid of them).
The whole "crusade" thing that people say Michigan had for ND is a load of crap, and just wild (and incorrect) speculation. If not for Michigan, there would never be a ND.
Also, who are these programs that played the game to "pad" their system?
This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 4/28/2012 at 7:07 PM
NDNation Features: Notre Dame's Greatest Rival
http://www.ndnation.com/blog/2006/07/notre-dames-greatest-rival.html
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IrishImpact said...
Nobody understands. It's almost a curse being an Irish fan. So much success the first 70 years of our program doomes us. I think people got sick of seeing ND win. It's almost as if God himself is punishing us now for being so successful.
USC is a powerful place that Lane Kiffin is ruining.
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RATT said...
Are you guys going to the Big 10 or not?
As far as what has changed in my eyes is that kids you are recruiting today don't see the same luster that Notre Dame once had. You can't expect to say we're Notre Dame and expect to get the players without working your asses off just like everyone else. Trust me, Bama fans had to come to grips with this as well.
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usctrojan1 said...
It most certainly is. Notre Dame history is very closely connected to ours, and all those facts are stated in almost every book I own on the history of our two programs. Plus, it is also mentioned in several books I own on the BIG-10 and the Michigan vs Ohio State rivalry.
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Are you guys going to the Big 10 or not?
As far as what has changed in my eyes is that kids you are recruiting today don't see the same luster that Notre Dame once had. You can't expect to say we're Notre Dame and expect to get the players without working your asses off just like everyone else. Trust me, Bama fans had to come to grips with this as well.
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usctrojan1 said...
You could be very wrong...sometimes even people in the "business of college football" make very big mistakes....such as...
Agent Jimmy Sexton..
[b/Sexton did poke fun at himself with an old story about his other big-name client in this state.
During Saban's tenure at Michigan State, he called Sexton with some news. USC Athletic Director Mike Garrett had called Saban to say that he wanted him to coach the Trojans.
This was before USC hired Paul Hackett, the guy it fired after three years to get it right with Pete Carroll.
The way Sexton told it, Saban asked his advice.
"I said, `Man, you don't want to go to Southern Cal. Nobody wants to send their kids to school in south central LA anymore. I don't see them being a power anymore.'"
Saban likes to remind Sexton of his USC analysis "to this day," Sexton said.
"Every time they're No. 1 or No. 2 or No. 3 in the country, he looks at me and says, `Jimmy, you still think Southern Cal can't win anymore?'
"Sometimes, you give bad advice," Sexton said. "You're not always right. Trust me." [/b]
Don't ever overlook the ability of a historic program to return to relevance.
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RATT said...
Well then go and win something. For fvcks sake your arguing your teams legitimacy to a fan of a school with just as much tradition and the winner of 2 of the last 3 national championships. I'm just giving you my opinion.
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