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Notre Dame to join the BIG-10

  • neoavatara said...

    Frankly, at this point you can have them.

    I'd take them no doubt, be a cool rivalry for us and overall they don't hurt the conference in any way

    Ill never expect the ACC to be a great football conference or " the best " in terms of fans across americas opinion of us

    But unlike many I don't give a shit, I just want FSU to be good or at the top and that is possible with or without anybody else

    Adding ND to the ACC is great for the overall health of the conference which in turn helps FSU and its a cooler game to watch than Duke or a few others I won't name so bring them on

    Solid basketball program too that would really make an interesting league with Syracuse, Pitt, Duke, UNC, GT, FSU and everybody else

    I would love to have ND in the ACC, love it

    And if they found their return glory and say Miami as well we would have 3 major powerhouses who all pretty much hate each other

    Sounds like those games would draw a ton of money to the ACC, so again...... I would take ND for not much bad comes of it and clearly there is the potential for a big pay off if things go well

    Saying no to ND is saying no to money, and in this business saying no to money is r-worded like a mutta fugga

    This post was edited by NoVaNoles on 4/24/2012 at 5:41 PM

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Yeah except that is false and we are set to be the most dominate basketball conference in america

    Some of you need to realize college athletics isn't just football

    NSFMF on hoops domination. We heard something similar about football when Miami, BC and VaTech jumped to the ACC nearly 20 years ago, but it didn't quite work out that way. Syracuse and Pitt are excellent pick-ups, but the B10, B12 and Big East all have been better hoops conferences than the ACC the past couple of years. Even with Syracuse and Pitt, you are going to need some of the old guard in the bottom half of the league (NC State, Virginia, Clemson, Georgia Tech) to step up their games in order to win back the crown.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 4/24/2012 at 5:45 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    NSFMF on hoops domination. We heard something similar about football when Miami and VaTech jumped to the ACC nearly 20 years ago, but it didn't quite work out that way. Syracuse and Pitt are excellent pick-ups, but the B10, B12 and Big East all have been better hoops conferences than thee ACC the past couple of years. Even with Syracuse and Pitt, you are going to need some of the old guard in the bottom half of the league (NC State, Virginia, Clemson, Georgia Tech) to step up their games in order to win back the crown.

    20 years ago ? pretty sure they joined like what, 7 years ago ?

    Shouldn't have said dominate you are right, BIG10 is no joke in bball my bad.... but the ACC just jumped the Big East and I would say the argument is between the two of us for who is the best... would you agree ? sounds like you would

    I just got a little hasty, my main point was ACC basketball is getting much better and ND would help even more

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    20 years ago ? pretty sure they joined like what, 7 years ago ?

    Shouldn't have said dominate you are right, BIG10 is no joke in bball my bad.... but the ACC just jumped the Big East and I would say the argument is between the two of us for who is the best... would you agree ? sounds like you would

    I just got a little hasty, my main point was ACC basketball is getting much better and ND would help even more

    Sorry, somehow I thought those schools moved to the ACC around the same time as PSU joined the B10 (1995). My bad.

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  • I don't think there is any question the BIG-10 is a better fit for ND all the way around...my question - and it's a HUGE one - Irish memories are deep and long, and speaking to more than a few of their monied alums and boosters over the years, they have not forgotten how the BIG-10 tried very hard to get them banned from CFB in the 40s. It forced them to independence. It is now so deeply ingrained in them.

    I have always felt they would have to be backed up against the wall, with no other possible option, to join the BIG-10. Guess we'll find out.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    I don't think there is any question the BIG-10 is a better fit for ND all the way around...my question - and it's a HUGE one - Irish memories are deep and long, and speaking to more than a few of their monied alums and boosters over the years, they have not forgotten how the BIG-10 tried very hard to get them banned from CFB in the 40s. It forced them to independence. It is now so deeply ingrained in them.

    I have always felt they would have to be backed up against the wall, with no other possible option, to join the BIG-10. Guess we'll find out.

    The next few years will be interesting to watch. The P12 is launching its own network and rumors are that the SEC and ACC are planning to do the same. Unless ND can coax a lot more money out of someone for TV rights as an independent, the $ gap is going to make it harder and harder for them to remain competitive (and not just in football).

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    I'd take them no doubt, be a cool rivalry for us and overall they don't hurt the conference in any way

    Ill never expect the ACC to be a great football conference or " the best " in terms of fans across americas opinion of us

    But unlike many I don't give a shit, I just want FSU to be good or at the top and that is possible with or without anybody else

    Adding ND to the ACC is great for the overall health of the conference which in turn helps FSU and its a cooler game to watch than Duke or a few others I won't name so bring them on

    Solid basketball program too that would really make an interesting league with Syracuse, Pitt, Duke, UNC, GT, FSU and everybody else

    I would love to have ND in the ACC, love it

    And if they found their return glory and say Miami as well we would have 3 major powerhouses who all pretty much hate each other

    Sounds like those games would draw a ton of money to the ACC, so again...... I would take ND for not much bad comes of it and clearly there is the potential for a big pay off if things go well

    Saying no to ND is saying no to money, and in this business saying no to money is r-worded like a mutta fugga

    NoVa,

    I like the way you think!

    GO IRISH!

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  • NoVa I couldn't agree more in terms of conference pride or chit like that. I just care about Michigan, anything else is just noise.

    I also don't doubt ND fits best in ACC, just saying B1G is better academically (which again couldn't care less about) I am just baffled that someone would say that.

    I wouldn't mind ND going to the ACC, our rivalry is fun, but pointless at this point. It gains neither school anything except a potential OOC loss. You can schedule cupcakes these days, doesn't matter 1 bit.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    NoVa I couldn't agree more in terms of conference pride or chit like that. I just care about Michigan, anything else is just noise.

    I also don't doubt ND fits best in ACC, just saying B1G is better academically (which again couldn't care less about) I am just baffled that someone would say that.

    I wouldn't mind ND going to the ACC, our rivalry is fun, but pointless at this point. It gains neither school anything except a potential OOC loss. You can schedule cupcakes these days, doesn't matter 1 bit.

    Werd and honestly the academic thing is debatable

    Im not gonna sit here and debate it cause I don't care and Im the last person that should be doing so cause its not my field

    But GT, Duke, UNC, Miami, BC, Wake Forest and Virginia are big time academic institutions.... VT is no slouch either forgot about them

    Even FSU for being one of the worst isn't nearly as bad as many think, it just seems that way cause are two rivals are ranked higher in the academic world which makes FSU look worse than they should

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Werd and honestly the academic thing is debatable

    Im not gonna sit here and debate it cause I don't care and Im the last person that should be doing so cause its not my field

    But GT, Duke, UNC, Miami, BC, Wake Forest and Virginia are big time academic institutions.... VT is no slouch either forgot about them

    Even FSU for being one of the worst isn't nearly as bad as many think, it just seems that way cause are two rivals are ranked higher in the academic world which makes FSU look worse than they should

    As far as undergrad goes, the B10, ACC and P12 are close academically. The P12 probably has a slight edge at the very top but from top to bottom the B10 and ACC might actually be better. If we are including graduate/research programs, the B10 almost certainly is #1.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 4/24/2012 at 7:22 PM

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  • Things I have been hearing is that ND fits better in ACC because of academics and school size. Lots of people think B1G because of location and they play 3-4 of their schools every year already. Latest I've heard is ND going to BIG 12 and bringing FSU and some other school (can't remember the school). I personally would like to see them stay Independant as long as possible, but I'm sure their backs will be against the wall soon. My choice for a conference would be B1G because I live in the middle of it, and most of my friends are B1G guys.

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  • Well, once Notre Dame joins the B1G, they'll immediately drop to the bottom of the barrel with Indiana and Purdue.

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  • ImperialBuckeye said...

    Well, once Notre Dame joins the B1G, they'll immediately drop to the bottom of the barrel with Indiana and Purdue.

    It's people like you that make me wish for the B1G. I think O$U has their own problems to worry about. Bringing in Urban Liar doesn't help. Problems off the field tend to follow him. I guess he is in the right place.

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  • ImperialBuckeye said...

    Well, once Notre Dame joins the B1G, they'll immediately drop to the bottom of the barrel with Indiana and Purdue.

    Look at the bright side. They may not qualify for a bowl.

    LBU59

  • D-Mo said...

    It's people like you that make me wish for the B1G. I think O$U has their own problems to worry about. Bringing in Urban Liar doesn't help. Problems off the field tend to follow him. I guess he is in the right place.

    Be careful what you wish for IMO. Losing NBC deal will hurt ND's national recruiting.

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  • Doesn't matter if your considering Notre Dame. Our fanbase alone is probably bigger than Indiana's, Northwestern's, and Iowa's combined. Ratings my friend. Anyone would love to have us. Although this whole story is taken completely out of context, if we were to join a conference...I would want it to be the B1G.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Be careful what you wish for IMO. Losing NBC deal will hurt ND's national recruiting.

    I painfully agree.

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  • What the fuck is this? I'm not reading all this nonsensical horseshit. The B1G boat has sailed for ND. They will remain as an irrelevant Indy or can go join the big least.

    They lost out, the B1G has moved on. F them

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  • IrishImpact said...

    Doesn't matter if your considering Notre Dame. Our fanbase alone is probably bigger than Indiana's, Northwestern's, and Iowa's combined. Ratings my friend. Anyone would love to have us. Although this whole story is taken completely out of context, if we were to join a conference...I would want it to be the B1G.

    If I was ND I wouldn't join a conference until forced. They are on NBC every week, their schedule isn't regionalized, it's really beneficial for them the way they operate right now.

    If joining a conference it risks ND not having that NBC deal (doubt it but possible), and thus weakening their national appeal a bit so their recruiting might take a hit. JMO.

    If ND does join a conference I would hope it's B1G also. They are practically a B1G team right now, it wouldn't make a huge difference to their schedule.

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  • Why is everyone under the impression that ND has to join a conference where it has to match up with other schools academically? Hardly anybody is even close to us when it comes to academics and football.

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  • BrodieMSU said...

    What the fuck is this? I'm not reading all this nonsensical horseshit. The B1G boat has sailed for ND. They will remain as an irrelevant Indy or can go join the big least.

    They lost out, the B1G has moved on. F them

    Yeh I don't think the B1G would turn down the potential money that ND brings because they haven't joined yet.

    It's not about pride, it's about money. ND can basically choose where they go because of the coin they bring in, and rightfully so. ND would only raise B1G's profile with another traditional powerhouse joining in.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Yeh I don't think the B1G would turn down the potential money that ND brings because they haven't joined yet.

    It's not about pride, it's about money. ND can basically choose where they go because of the coin they bring in, and rightfully so. ND would only raise B1G's profile with another traditional powerhouse joining in.

    If ND would ever join #14 is Rutgers.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Yeh I don't think the B1G would turn down the potential money that ND brings because they haven't joined yet.

    It's not about pride, it's about money. ND can basically choose where they go because of the coin they bring in, and rightfully so. ND would only raise B1G's profile with another traditional powerhouse joining in.

    Hello...any conference that would turn ND down would be, well...stupid. The powers that be in the BIG-10, are not stupid.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Yeh I don't think the B1G would turn down the potential money that ND brings because they haven't joined yet.

    It's not about pride, it's about money. ND can basically choose where they go because of the coin they bring in, and rightfully so. ND would only raise B1G's profile with another traditional powerhouse joining in.

    I was going to post essentially the same thing. If ND comes knocking, you listen. Because it IS about money. And ND in the B1G would put that conference in the SEC realm as far as money goes.

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  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    If ND would ever join #14 is Rutgers.

    Although I don't love the thought of Rutgers, they are better than Indiana, Purdue etc. They are also in a fertile state for recruits, so having that state exposed to B1G ball can only help our programs recruit that area.

    The gain of ND outweighs the negative of Rutgers.

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