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OT: Golf Swing Help

  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    Any of the decent courses in LA are either pricey or super-crowded.

    If you can get down to Palos Verdes, play Los Verdes. It's a public course so decently priced, and you get views of the ocean on a lot of holes because it's got some elevation up on the Palos Verdes peninsula. I think it's probably about 15-20 miles from downtown LA.

    If you tell me exactly where you're staying I can give a more tailored suggestion.

    No plans set, but I will try to remember you and ask. I don't mind the drive out. I've been to LA and SD enough to know it can be a pain, but being on vacation eases that part of the stress. Besides, it's fun to drive a little just to look around in LA. My wife says she'd move either there or Vegas (she's phobic about tornadoes), but she'd balk if I lined up a job. Actually had a job in Vista (based out of LA) right out of college, but backed out to propose to her. I wouldn't trade her, but I'd make her do long distance if I could do it over. Love Tuscaloosa, but I think everyone should leave the vicinity of the nest, at least for a while.

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  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    It depends what level of course you're looking for.

    Munis are anywhere from $30, $40, and up.

    I've never paid for a round at a non-muni inside of LA, so don't know prices there. The only rounds I've played at those were comped by work.

    Outside of LA, you can use golfnow to get cheaper tee times at some really nice courses for about $60. Extremely nice, great condition, perfect fast greens, and cart with GPS, etc. That is about a 1 hour drive with no traffic though.

    Wow, that's cheaper than a nice course in Alabama. Peak season, you'll pay 80-100 for a RTJ course. (Robert Trent Jones, if the reputation doesn't preced it) A middle of the pack, yet decently maintained one will run you $60, and a *hithole will run you 45 on a weekend.

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  • I'll maybe try that. Not sure I understand the benefit of "get the feel of your body compensating for lack of mobility". Are you saying that I can retrain the shoulder correctly, or that I can use that method to change my swing to compensate for my lack of motion?

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  • TheT12 said...

    Wow, that's cheaper than a nice course in Alabama. Peak season, you'll pay 80-100 for a RTJ course. (Robert Trent Jones, if the reputation doesn't preced it) A middle of the pack, yet decently maintained one will run you $60, and a *hithole will run you 45 on a weekend.

    Golfnow is a discount teetime website. If you book through the course it'll be $100 or so.

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  • What's a good handicap for a mid-30s guy with no background in high school or college golf? Is an 18 handicap pretty good for the layman?

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  • TheT12 said...

    What's a good handicap for a mid-30s guy with no background in high school or college golf? Is an 18 handicap pretty good for the layman?

    I think an 18 is respectable... but the lack of High School golf starts to be a non-issue if you're 35. That was 18 years ago.

    Not sure how accurate this is, but I've heard a stat that half the people who golf can't legitimately break 100. And l've seen a bunch of guys who consider themselves low-90s golfers take 3-4 mulligans and 3-4 gimmes every round. So a lot of people who think they're low-90s are actually in the 100s

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  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    I think an 18 is respectable... but the lack of High School golf starts to be a non-issue if you're 35. That was 18 years ago.

    Not sure how accurate this is, but I've heard a stat that half the people who golf can't legitimately break 100. And l've seen a bunch of guys who consider themselves low-90s golfers take 3-4 mulligans and 3-4 gimmes every round. So a lot of people who think they're low-90s are actually in the 100s

    I'm gonna say when I was 18-ish, I took the 1 mulligan per 9 approach (obviously not legal)...so I was 20-ish back in the day. Further, that was during the best spring/summer of my life swinging the clubs. The reason I asked is I want to set a few goals to work on. First, I want to be able to play a legit round without having to give up on holes to get out of other parties' way. Second, I want to have a legit 25 handicap. After that, I want a reasonable goal for a long-term handicap. It's a pretty safe bet I'm never going to be a scratch golfer, so I want to aim high, but aim reasonably. If I reach it, I'll just keep playing, but I want a good long-term goal.

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  • I set my goal at playing bogey golf. I figured if I could average +1 on every hole I'd be happy.

    Once you can get the double bogeys down to 1-2 per round you'll get there. That only requires a reasonable amount of pars. And at that point you can aim to break 90.

    I hit that goal and have become increasingly frustrated with my inability to get under 80 consistently. I don't practice enough so I'll take the occasional bogey... But I'll also hit enough irons within 15 feet that I should have 3-4 birdies a round to even that out. However, it comes back to not practicing enough do I can't make those putts often enough.

    This game never gets less frustrating, it just gets frustrating in different ways. Oh, I hit the green? But it's still 45 feet away? Sonofabich!!!

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  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    I set my goal at playing bogey golf. I figured if I could average +1 on every hole I'd be happy.

    Once you can get the double bogeys down to 1-2 per round you'll get there. That only requires a reasonable amount of pars. And at that point you can aim to break 90.

    I hit that goal and have become increasingly frustrated with my inability to get under 80 consistently. I don't practice enough so I'll take the occasional bogey... But I'll also hit enough irons within 15 feet that I should have 3-4 birdies a round to even that out. However, it comes back to not practicing enough do I can't make those putts often enough.

    This game never gets less frustrating, it just gets frustrating in different ways. Oh, I hit the green? But it's still 45 feet away? Sonofabich!!!

    I know, and that's why the game is so loveable and frustrating. I love it because no matter what barriers I manage to break, there is no such thing as perfect, and you can always look to improve. I've only had 1 legit eagle in my life. It was awesome. The rest of the round was horrid (eagled the 1st hole, par 5). First, I have to play in the fairway (in bounds, out of water). After that, I'll feel like I'm playing real golf.

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  • What clubs are you playing? You don't need great stuff, but if you're hitting a 15 year old driver a new one would help you find more fairways AND get more distance.

    I was playing a Taylormade 320 Tour that was from... 2003? I fought a constant slice and was finally able to get it to a manageable fade although I was fighting it and the big slice was always in play.

    Then last summer I bought a Taylormade R9 SuperTri. Immediately added 15 yards. And even though the club has the adjustments to change the clubhead angle to fix a slice, I didn't have to do a thing. Straight out of the box it changed my 30 yard slice into only a 5 yard fade. That's my natural swing so I'm leaving it as is for now.

    Oh another tip - half of your strokes will be on/around the green. Get comfortable chipping/pitching from all sorts of lies so that even if you miss the green in regulation, the worst you'll do chip on and 2 putt for bogey.

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  • Update: Played yesterday at Grand National in Opelika, AL with a buddy. He's a pretty good golfer, so he coached me a little on pitches and chips, which helped immensely. I played better than I expected. He gave me the driver he just replaced with a new one, and I was killing it. He also gave me a SW and a Gap Wedge that I really liked for the close pitches. I was hitting off the tee well enough to shoot in the low 80's, but that wasn't the case due to my rusty short game. We only got in 12 holes due to weather (we left due to what the radar and the course marshall was telling us, but we could have finished ): )

    Anyway, I was 16 over after 12. As bad as that sounds to some of you, I had an 11 on a par 5 (no one behind us so I kept taking drops per the rules). The rest of the time I was playing pretty well. A par, maybe a double or 2, and a bunch of bogeys. The greens there can be challenging, but I was putting really well.

    The advice you guys gave me for the range really helped. I was much more comfortable with my swing than I was only a week ago. I think it was a bit of an anomaly in that I don't know that I could consistently play bogey golf, but in my world of bad golf, I was more than pleased. My fever for the game has returned. Thank you all for the help.

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  • TheT12 said...

    You're gettin as much out of this as me I see...I figured we had some good swing doctors around here. I'm headed to the range in a couple hours. Prob take some practice swings at home first. I'm actually going to practice w/ my mid-irons on half-swing only for at least half the bucket. I don't care what people think. If anyone says anything, I'll tell him I'm being delicate b/c his wife got carried away and bared her teeth.

    have played twice since you guys have given me the advice and i seem to be playing much better - THANKS ;p shot a 89 and 91 the two times i played and starting to get somewhat more consistent , thanks guys

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    have played twice since you guys have given me the advice and i seem to be playing much better - THANKS ;p shot a 89 and 91 the two times i played and starting to get somewhat more consistent , thanks guys

    89 would be well out of my league at this point I think. What I avoided Saturday, other than that 1 par 5, was the blow-up hole. We left w/ 6 holes left, so I could have done that a couple more times and ended up in the 110's. It is a lot of fun, and I'm enjoying it again.

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  • Enjoying it is the main thing. I'm getting out on the course today - found a $15 round including cart through golfnow and had to jump on that deal.

    I worked on my putting a bit this weekend, so I'm hoping for some improved results.

    AbsenteeTrojan

  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    Enjoying it is the main thing. I'm getting out on the course today - found a $15 round including cart through golfnow and had to jump on that deal.

    I worked on my putting a bit this weekend, so I'm hoping for some improved results.

    Good luck man, and that's a killer deal. I spent about 1 hour on the putting green before my buddy got there, so I think that helped my score a ton. I had a real feel for the greens and my newly re-gripped putter before we ever hit the tee box.

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  • So... I shot a 94, which is about 10 shots off where I normally am. No mulligans or gimmie putts at all, so it's not horrible, but still. I'm pissed. I'm trying to convince myself that it's not all that bad, because I haven't been able to hit the golf course since last November, when this happened (see attached picture).

    I was making good contact, but my alignment and weight transfers were all f'ed up because my ankle still isn't completely functional.

    And my putting was horrendous. At the end of a horrible round, I stuck a wedge 6 feet from the pin on #18 for a birdie putt. Of course I missed it, haha.

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  • AbsenteeTrojan said...

    So... I shot a 94, which is about 10 shots off where I normally am. No mulligans or gimmie putts at all, so it's not horrible, but still. I'm pissed. I'm trying to convince myself that it's not all that bad, because I haven't been able to hit the golf course since last November, when this happened (see attached picture).

    I was making good contact, but my alignment and weight transfers were all f'ed up because my ankle still isn't completely functional.

    And my putting was horrendous. At the end of a horrible round, I stuck a wedge 6 feet from the pin on #18 for a birdie putt. Of course I missed it, haha.

    Holy shaznatt at that ankle!! That looks like it might have hurt a little.

    I really just remembered this thread. I've played a good bit since I started it, and was getting a lot better with every round. Then yesterday I fell apart because I suddenly found myself with a slice and couldn't make it stop. Then on the last hole, I suddenly couldn't get my irons off the ground. I'm going to go ahead and blame it on the 96 degree weather and playing at mid-day.

    I shot a 100 on a decent course a week ago, completely legit scoring, but I shot a 104 with at least 4 tee-box mulligans yesterday. I took the mulligans because I needed to work on the swing more than I needed an accurate scorecard, and it's not like I'm keeping that scorecard. It very well could have been a 120 yesterday had I played it straight. It was a busy day on the course, so I wanted the practice while keeping up w/ the group in front of me.

    I had a terrible ankle injury myself once...I know how you feel. Keep workin on it. The hardest part for me was gaining confidence in it again. Good luck.

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  • TheT12 said...

    So...I was never very good at golf, but I could play well enough to have some fun (as opposed to looking for golf balls all day). About 3 years ago, I had a bad shoulder problem that didn't require surgery but took forever to heal, and so I didn't play at all. Now, I'm not dealing with pain anymore, but it seems it's NOT like riding a bike. Grip feels off, swing feels foreign, etc. It's like starting over. Any suggestions other than taking lessons? Youtube series to remind me basics of swing? Or should I read some golf magazines for beginners to relearn the basics? I was probably a legit 18 or so handicap before, but on a tough course, I'm probably at least a 40 now.

    TIA

    Try everyone of these tips at once.

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    Notorious URB

  • Always try and hit it fat works every time.

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  • CrimsonTemplar said...

    Always try and hit it fat works every time.

    I hit a divot about 4 yards past the ball on the last hole yesterday.

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  • TheT12 said...

    I hit a divot about 4 yards past the ball on the last hole yesterday.

    Thats clutch.

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  • TheT12 said...

    Holy shaznatt at that ankle!! That looks like it might have hurt a little.

    I really just remembered this thread. I've played a good bit since I started it, and was getting a lot better with every round. Then yesterday I fell apart because I suddenly found myself with a slice and couldn't make it stop. Then on the last hole, I suddenly couldn't get my irons off the ground. I'm going to go ahead and blame it on the 96 degree weather and playing at mid-day.

    I shot a 100 on a decent course a week ago, completely legit scoring, but I shot a 104 with at least 4 tee-box mulligans yesterday. I took the mulligans because I needed to work on the swing more than I needed an accurate scorecard, and it's not like I'm keeping that scorecard. It very well could have been a 120 yesterday had I played it straight. It was a busy day on the course, so I wanted the practice while keeping up w/ the group in front of me.

    I had a terrible ankle injury myself once...I know how you feel. Keep workin on it. The hardest part for me was gaining confidence in it again. Good luck.

    It's a good idea to take mulligans when you don't care about the score. Like you said, learning how to hit a good shot is more important at that point. Well, unless you have people behind you, haha.

    The ankle is slowly recovering. Getting confidence back is the biggest issue. When I go running, it's hard to get myself to turn right because my ankle doesn't want to turn that way anymore, as that's the way it rolled when it got all f'ed up.

    AbsenteeTrojan