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theFightingtide said...
That is honestly the most difficult road to define right there man.
People want to say, well I am saved and so forth, and then go on and do certain things and believe certain things without remission for those sins(Even if it as we say, not a necessity) . I encourage those people(Really everyone in general) to read the bible closely and view their relationship with God, because if you do not feel the need to pray about those things, is one truly saved? That isn't a question that anyone but that person can answer. It is not our place to question their relationship with God, but encourage them to do self evaluations on that relationship often.
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Nobody has answered my other question yet. If the ultimate goal of Christianity is to achieve salvation and be alongside God in heaven and committing suicide doesn't earn you a one way ticket to hell, then why don't Christians kill themselves so they are able to be with God, in a better place?
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MAUDiculous said...
Nobody has answered my other question yet. If the ultimate goal of Christianity is to achieve salvation and be alongside God in heaven and committing suicide doesn't earn you a one way ticket to hell, then why don't Christians kill themselves so they are able to be with God, in a better place?
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ilovelamp51 said...
I'm not sure what I believe,always heard both sides. It really doesn't apply to me so I am able to be indifferent. If you are asking my OPINION, yes a person could commit suicide & still make it into heaven, if they are truly saved. Jesus died for all our sins. Past, present & future. He didn't climb onto the cross everytime we sin. He died once for all of them. I've never believed I can loose my salvation just bc I have an unconfessed sin at the moment of death. His blood covers me. Rejecting Christ (blasphemy) forever is the only unforgivable sin.
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big john said...
Maybe because the majority of people have something to live for & are not ready to go to the hereafter. Also I alway's feel bad for people that take their own live's. It's just sad to think that someone was going through something inside themselve's that they felt that was the only way out.
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MAUDiculous said...
Sounds to me like that wouldn't be their problem, as they are simply trying to be with their savior. It would be God's problem and being the all powerful, all knowing, omnipotent deity that he is, I'm sure he'd figure it out.
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Nobody has answered my other question yet. If the ultimate goal of Christianity is to achieve salvation and be alongside God in heaven and committing suicide doesn't earn you a one way ticket to hell, then why don't Christians kill themselves so they are able to be with God, in a better place?
This post was edited by goodnews on 4/25/2012 at 12:20 PM
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The Bible doesn't clearly define this. The Bible says Jesus makes the final judgement on who's in, and who's out.
No where in the Bible is it ever recommended to end your life prematurely. NOWHERE. So to say Christians should off themselves to go to heaven would be a direct violation of God's intention.
Lastly, Satan is in direct opposition to whatever God desires. Since God desires life - Satan desires death. He desires for you to kill yourself. Hence, by committing suicide, you are showing deference to Satan. Not a good plan.
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ilovelamp51 said...
Exactly. If a person truly has received the holy spirit then they should either be miserable while living in sin or really reflect on whether or not their salvation was genuine. I was saved at 8 & lived several miserable years at the end/after college doing what I wanted to. Still haven't gotten back where I need to be just yet but I have peace again. Never doubted my salvation.
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Not but 3 verses down from the one you are referring to, Jesus says that if you are saved and drink deadly poison, it will not hurt you at all. I think we can all agree that if a Christian drinks a liter of hemlock and chases it with motor oil, he/she is not going to live to tell the tale.
He also said that if your eyes should cause you to sin, that you should pluck it out, for it is better to enter the kingdom of heaven with one eye then to burn in hell with 2. I haven't seen very many 1 eyed Christians walking around.
So are Christians to cherry pick certain things that Jesus said and carry them out, or only the ones that they deem acceptable?
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Exactly. If a person truly has received the holy spirit then they should either be miserable while living in sin or really reflect on whether or not their salvation was genuine. I was saved at 8 & lived several miserable years at the end/after college doing what I wanted to. Still haven't gotten back where I need to be just yet but I have peace again. Never doubted my salvation.
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I understand that the Bible doesn't recommend ending your life prematurely. I never asserted that. How is it a violation of God's intention, if God's intention is for you to be alongside him in heaven?
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theFightingtide said...
Lets say this. If a man went down the same road every day, and every day there was someone who absolutely despised him and the man despised that person as well. They would get into a physical altercation every day, well instead of literally cutting off your hand for hitting that person, it would be better to avoid that path in general. I look at it as removing that temptation.
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Nobody has answered my other question yet. If the ultimate goal of Christianity is to achieve salvation and be alongside God in heaven and committing suicide doesn't earn you a one way ticket to hell, then why don't Christians kill themselves so they are able to be with God, in a better place?
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