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justinboze said...
Its the coverup that annoys people, IMO. The Brits and Red Cross left because of the instability and lack of security. Hillary "didn't see" the memo. More security was requested and denied.
Plus, everyone remembers the debate when the moderator (Obama friend) took up for him and allowed no more discussion when Romney was talking about it, only to admit later that only parts of what she said were true.
Also, this would have contradicted Obama's earlier statements about Al Queda being decimated. Someone stated that there being 2 movies about killing Bin Laden and we don't even know who the people were that were evacuated after the Libya attacks tells you everything you need to know about a coverup and media spin.
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VTSmitty said...
Earlier I heard Hillary say they receive thousands of e-mails, which is why it didn't get immediate attention, or immediately get noticed. I think it is unrealistic to believe that there is not a process in place for an emergency call, or a panic button. They fall back on the fact that they didn't know immedately how serious it was, yet they immediately knew it was a demonstration, which turned into a riot, over the movie, none of which was true.
This post was edited by fat x nub on 2/18/2013 at 2:01 PM
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rms02d said...
Osama Bin Ladens version of Al-Qaeda is decimated, Obama is correct on that. Most of these groups are just copycats or splinter groups.
The group that claimed responsibility is called the Omar Abdul Rahman brigade.
They are more like a "cover-band" for Al-Qaeda than they are an actual offshoot of Al-Qaeda..
I agree that something should have been done about "security" given the attacks on the Red Cross, and previous failed attacks on the Consulate.
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justinboze said...
I had a class back in the day called "Economics of Terrorism". One of the traits of successful terrorist organizations was decentralizing leadership, which was basically the ability to survive when key leadership is killed. They start with "faces" like Bin Laden but then use him as a martyr once he is killed. This makes them harder to track and can make them appear to be broken up.
Is Al Qaeda really decimated? We don't know. Are other terrorists groups still doing Al Qaeda like work? Absolutely. Right or wrong about Al Qaeda, we will always be targets for these people.
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justinboze said...
You answered your own question. Bush was the worst president ever and the gold standard for what a president should be like at the same time. Go figure.
It's kinda like when they say that all Republicans are uneducated, poor rednecks when it fits their argument and very successful rich business men that only care about getting richer when it fits their other argument.
This post was edited by viper_36 on 2/18/2013 at 3:37 PM
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justinboze said...
I had a class back in the day called "Economics of Terrorism". One of the traits of successful terrorist organizations was decentralizing leadership, which was basically the ability to survive when key leadership is killed. They start with "faces" like Bin Laden but then use him as a martyr once he is killed. This makes them harder to track and can make them appear to be broken up.
Is Al Qaeda really decimated? We don't know. Are other terrorists groups still doing Al Qaeda like work? Absolutely. Right or wrong about Al Qaeda, we will always be targets for these people.
This post was edited by rms02d on 2/18/2013 at 4:43 PM
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rms02d said...
Quick example of the problems with a decentralized power structure .
Osama bin laden was horrified at the sectarian war in Iraq.
He wanted to stop the Shia/Sunni violence but had zero Influence over Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
Al-Zawquari The leader of AQI operated independently from Al-Qaeda.
The civil war in Iraq, which was mostly a fight between AQ in Iraq and Shia militias, destroyed Al-Qaeda's popularity in
The Muslim world.All those people dancing in the streets on 9-11 had a very different opinion of Al-Qaeda after the viOlence of the civil war escalated.
Osama Bin Laden was powerless to stop the Iraqi civil war.
Decentralization has both costs and benefits.
The original Al-Qaeda has no money, political clout, or ability to operate without Western knowledge of their operations beforehand.
Obama was right in that, you are gonna have to accept it.
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viper_36 said...
no, i didn't answer my question - my question is, if he's such a bad president, why is the standard answer to any refuting what Obama is doing something about what Bush did. I don't' care what Bush did 6, 7, 10 years ago... it doesn't change a thing TODAY... i care about what this idiot is doing.
quit comparing them, that means nothing - if he's such a great president, why is he screwing this country up more so that Bush did (ah, see what i did there..)
LOL it doesn't matter dude - we're screwed. we "the people" mean nothing to the smucks in the white house, congress or house - that's just how it is. we have to vote them ALL OUT!!!
btw, i'm a registered republican and i'm not uneducated, i'm not poor, i'm definitely not a redneck and i'm not some fat rich business man. i just want people to leave my stuff alone. when i want to give it out, i will...
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rms02d said...
Quick example of the problems with a decentralized power structure .
Osama bin laden was horrified at the sectarian war in Iraq.
He wanted to stop the Shia/Sunni violence but had zero Influence over Al-Qaeda in Iraq.
Al-Zawquari The leader of AQI operated independently from Al-Qaeda.
The civil war in Iraq, which was mostly a fight between AQ in Iraq and Shia militias, destroyed Al-Qaeda's popularity in The Muslim world.
All those people dancing in the streets on 9-11 had a very different opinion of Al-Qaeda after the viOlence of the civil war escalated.
Osama Bin Laden was powerless to stop the Iraqi civil war.
Decentralization has both costs and benefits.
The original Al-Qaeda has no money, political clout, or ability to operate without Western knowledge of their operations beforehand.
Obama was right in that, you are gonna have to accept it.
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justinboze said...
You are preaching to the choir. My reply was sarcastic and meant that they will say whatever fits their agenda, regardless if it contradicts their last argument. If Bush was so bad then why keep comparing Obama to him? It's no different than losing to Mississippi State and saying, "Who cares, Auburn lost to them, too."
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justinboze said...
You are preaching to the choir. My reply was sarcastic and meant that they will say whatever fits their agenda, regardless if it contradicts their last argument. If Bush was so bad then why keep comparing Obama to him? It's no different than losing to Mississippi State and saying, "Who cares, Auburn lost to them, too."
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