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rms02d said...
The temporary ban on offshore drilling was eliminated back in October 2010. So not sure what you are complaining about in regard to drilling in the Gulf of Mexico outside of state waters. Increasing the amount of permits to drill isn't going to drastically reduce the price.
US demand for oil has DECREASED by about 2.5 million barrels a DAY over the past 5 years. So its obvious that the price increase in gas is not directly correlated to American supply and demand.
Foreign companies aren't benefiting by drilling oil that we refuse to drill, because the price of oil is set by the world financial markets and the worlds demand. Also if gas is drilled by a private corporation, what makes you think they will sell it to the US, if they can get a better price in Argentina?
The US cannot decrease the price of oil by opening up more land for exploration. If the US only has 2% of the worlds known reserves, and consumes 20% of the worlds oil, then how is increasing domestic production going to help?
The price of oil is decided in international markets and not by the US government. The fact that we have the lowest gas taxes in the developed world makes it sound silly when Americans complain about gas prices because we don't pay a lot relatively speaking.
Gas prices always go up in the spring, as commodity traders purchase oil contracts in anticipation of the "summer driving season". Also the purchase of oil futures contracts tend to increase the spot price of oil when investors expect an improvement in the economic business cycle.
The current "rise" in price is completely normal for this time of year. If anything the increase in oil prices is an economic indicator that the US economy and European economies are improving, and not proof that things are getting worse because Obama is a Nazi.
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TalHawkins112 said...
Put words in my mouth much? I never said Republicans were heartless, nor implied it.
And I've seen several people argue on here for no regulations, including safety regulations. They contend that people wouldn't work for a company who had none- which isn't true if the norm was for companies to have few or none.
Also, environmental regulations, as pointed out by the other guy, have as much to do with people not wanting their air filled with smoke or their drinking water polluted, fishing areas ruined, as it does the 'fringe environmentalists.'
Put it like this: are you willing to live next to an oil refinery, or paper mill?
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MDS00NER said...
This is fundamentally incorrect because it is based on percentage, yes, by percentage, there are higher percentage of social program consumers, but when you look at raw data, the real story comes out. In raw dollars received, NY, PA, CA, MA, IL and MI are all at the top of the list... FAR outweighing the dollars spent in red states.
In fact CA alone outspends the following typically red states COMBINED: AK, NE, NV, UT, WV, NM, AR, MS, OK, LA, and AK
Add NY, NJ, Mass, PA, MI, WI, MN, DC and IL, and they outspend the rest of the country. Thats Ten states outspending the other 41 in entitlement dollars.
So when you are looking at DOLLARS which is what you do when you are looking to make cuts and budgets, the cute little red blue US maps showing % of population and dollars spent per recieved etc do nothing but obfuscate the truth... the blue states FAR outspend the rest of the country.
Source: US Government spending.com
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Bamafan8 said...
Nice observation retards. Do you know the reason for this? Its because the country was founded up North, has more population, and was the center for the industrialization of America. If the damn pilgirims would've landed in Georgia or South Carolina it'd probably be reversed. Not to mention the destruction of the civil war set back the south in almost every way possible. So congratulations on being the recipient of things from hundreds of years ago.
Liberals are the ones sitting in the middle of Wall Street saying give me, give me. Democrats are saying lets just give all these lazy wastes of life whatever they want, hell while we're at it why don't we just join the EU? Since that model has worked so well for them. Since we're doin that, let's just do away with immigration laws. Open up the gates and let whoever in. It doesn't effect you guys as much right? Being in the North mostly and all they won't take too many of your jobs or start another Mexican Mafia or cartel. Maybe all the problems that comes with them will stay in Mexico.
I'm all for a person coming in to our country to better themselves. This nation was founded on it. But why is it such a big damn deal to do it the right way?? Go through the process and become a citizen. Pay taxes and don't rape the country of all its benefits if you aren't prepared to give some back since it has given you so much. End of rant.
This post was edited by GoingLightBarny on 3/8/2012 at 9:47 AM
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Harry Callahan said...
The funny thing about these threads are when the Democrats defend Obama like he's done anything he promised.
I voted for Obama. Turns out he was just another Bush. Big spending, big gov't, increased debt, same shitty economy, yeah... lets re-elect Obama. Lol.
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rms02d said...
The temporary ban on offshore drilling was eliminated back in October 2010. So not sure what you are complaining about in regard to drilling in the Gulf of Mexico outside of state waters. Increasing the amount of permits to drill isn't going to drastically reduce the price.
US demand for oil has DECREASED by about 2.5 million barrels a DAY over the past 5 years. So its obvious that the price increase in gas is not directly correlated to American supply and demand.
Foreign companies aren't benefiting by drilling oil that we refuse to drill, because the price of oil is set by the world financial markets and the worlds demand. Also if gas is drilled by a private corporation, what makes you think they will sell it to the US, if they can get a better price in Argentina?
The US cannot decrease the price of oil by opening up more land for exploration. If the US only has 2% of the worlds known reserves, and consumes 20% of the worlds oil, then how is increasing domestic production going to help?
The price of oil is decided in international markets and not by the US government. The fact that we have the lowest gas taxes in the developed world makes it sound silly when Americans complain about gas prices because we don't pay a lot relatively speaking.
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GoingLightBarny said...
now, run those numbers against populations
california oupopulates the follwing red states COMBINED
AK, 710,231 NE, 1,826,341 NV, 2,700,551 UT, 2,763,885 WV, 1,852,994 NM, 2,059,179 AR, 2,915,918 MS, 2,967,297 OK, 3,751,351 LA, 4,533,372 AK (TWICE ?) NO, so i assume it is AR, at 2,915,918
which is just about at 26 million
meanwhile, californee has how many? 37,253,956 yeah, when you wanna OBFUSCATE IT...
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as i recall, there were a bunch of republicans up at congress talkin about gimme gimme gimme...
hmmm... what were they doing there?
oh, yeah, getting bailouts.
oh, and just to keep some semblance of truth here... the occupy demands were less gimme gimme gimme than stop ffkfin me fffkin me fffkin me
Occupy Demands 1: Campaign Finance Reform: Campaigns will be 100% funded by the $3 Presidential Campaign Fund. This will no longer be optional on returns and $3 will be taken from everyone in lieu of having the choice to pay that $3 in taxes. No more dinner events where people pay thousands of dollars per plate of food to donate. This will take the candidates out of the pockets of those more fortunate and put it back in the hands of the American people.
2A: 3 Term Limit for Congress: This needs to be done to keep fresh ideas flowing, as well as to prevent a pack mentality and life-long political enemies that evolve and begin to erode the political process. This is most evident over the past few years where almost no bills of any importance can pass through congress without the opposing side attaching the names of the most disliked members of congress with the bill as a way to prevent it from passing. Term one for all current members would start in the 2012 election cycle
2B: Terms served determines percentage of benefits for Congress. This is self-explanatory, but as with any job, the longer you work the more benefits you generally received. We propose members of Congress who serve three full terms receive full benefits. 75% for two term members and 50% for a single term.
3A: No more bonuses for Management in pseudo government business such as Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. Any agency that would cause the American tax payer to be held liable for its failure should not be permitted to pay bonuses to executives for taking risks to boost their numbers.
3B: Break-up any company that is deemed to be “too large to fail”. Any private business entity has the risk of failing in a capitalistic system, but when they become so large that they would take down the entire economy if they fail, they have to be split. If there is no risk of going under and failing due to the belief they will be bailed out, then they can do unsafe things to reap rewards in the good times without having to worry about the consequences in bad.
4: No more trading of commodity futures by investors. This has been written off as non-consequential, but the fact remains, when people can change markets without the intention of actually purchasing that commodity it raises the prices of food, heating and other fuels for everyone. Commodity investing should not be allowed unless the person making the purchase is deemed to be able to take the delivery they purchase.
and just in case you did not read them, they don't sound very "liberal"' at all... that was just a ploy by the people in charge to rile up the retard reactionists to oppose them in a knee-jerk response...
looks like the people in charge know more about how dummy the american people are than the ones protesting... the movement is not about people wanting any damn thing for free... it is about people wanting to stop being fffked.
you would think the tea party retards woulda stood behind them, but no, they were too stupid and took the bait, qualifying anarchists as hippies.
i could go on, but i think that will prove it enough
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This is fundamentally incorrect because it is based on percentage, yes, by percentage, there are higher percentage of social program consumers, but when you look at raw data, the real story comes out. In raw dollars received, NY, PA, CA, MA, IL and MI are all at the top of the list... FAR outweighing the dollars spent in red states.
In fact CA alone outspends the following typically red states COMBINED: AK, NE, NV, UT, WV, NM, AR, MS, OK, LA, and AK
Add NY, NJ, Mass, PA, MI, WI, MN, DC and IL, and they outspend the rest of the country. Thats Ten states outspending the other 41 in entitlement dollars.
So when you are looking at DOLLARS which is what you do when you are looking to make cuts and budgets, the cute little red blue US maps showing % of population and dollars spent per recieved etc do nothing but obfuscate the truth... the blue states FAR outspend the rest of the country.
Source: US Government spending.com
MDS00NER said...
Which was my point exactly, the debate is about dollars spent, not percentages, you do not balance a budget by cutting your lowest expenditure by 50% you cut it by tackling your highest expenditures. The original argument said that red states were taking most of the entitlements by percentage. I pointed out that from a budgeting point of view that this argument was disengenuous, and it is. The blue states use the majority of the dollars BY far and yes its because of population, thanks captain obvious...
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Okay, I wont say you made that up, but if you go to OccupyWallSt.org it is clearly stated that there is NO official list of demands (which is typical for protests of this nature, because if they have no official demands, they cannot be addressed), but there are many blogs that are put forth, and here is a very popular one (front page of the website forum section), here are the 13 demands made:
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GoingLightBarny said...
ha ha ha ha...
okay, captian obfuscator...
why didn't you say that, then? you were too busy trying to make your invalid point against another invalid point.
if you are so worried about budgeting, get on government waste and redundancy before you start talking about programs... the point of the partisanship argument on BOTH sides is to obfuscate the truth of the matter, that the programs are spread equally, and are used equally. Entitlement spending on households is surprisingly "flat" in the U.S. -- the spending is distributed proportionately among the various income groups. However, federal spending tilts in favor of the rich when you add corporate welfare to the mix. And this pro-wealthy favoritism becomes more pronounced when you consider who is paying for it: over the last few decades, the tax rates for the rich have sharply fallen, both in personal income and corporate taxes.
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