The Blue Board

I couldn't agree more. There are people out there who work hard & are trying but need the help. I have absolutely no problem with that. But then there are lazy people who pop out kid after kid with no intention of working or paying their own way & expect Uncle Sam & the tax payers to foot the bill. The really sad part is, is they know they are getting over & have no problem with it. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the system. That gets the help to the people that deserve it & want to do their part & weeds out the pigs who take full advantage of it.

Lost a ban bet for a month about the NC. He'll be back in February.

Yup. My sister's one girlfriend has 4 kids 2 different baby daddy's, she gets like a grand a month in food stamps plus cash assistance & lives in a rent free apartment. Milks it for every penny & has a bum boyfriend who has no job along for the ride. She also drives a brand new nissan maxima, in which she didn't earn. It;s just crazy, that they let people get away with this stuff.

Ageeed. That only leaves one question, how do you keep one and do away with the other?

I assume you're talking about keeping the people who legitimately benefit from aid and get rid of the fraud.

Honestly, it requires a fundamental change in the way a certain political party publicizes federal/state aid. Until politicians stop treating welfare/aid recipients as evil leeches and blaming them for the country's economic problems, the problem will remain. If the overwhelming tone of public opinion is a demonization of aid, the vast majority of those receiving aid will keep it quiet, and the only people who will publicize their acceptance of aid will be those who are shamelessly abusing the system.

On the other hand, you have people who aren't willing to accept aid due to the "shame" of it. All that refusal does is deny aid to people who need it and can use it, and it often ends up hurting the families of those people. The solution to this issue is to change the discourse surrounding aid, and until the acceptance of federal/state aid isn't viewed as some moral failing, we'll continue to have to deal with these problems.

As for eliminating the abusers, the problem is, in a system as large (and necessary) as federal and state aid in the US, there will inevitably be abuses. They may be few and far between, but it's functionally impossible to eliminate all fraud. The American political machine is fantastic at taking a few small incidents and blowing them up until they dominate public conversation (remember Reagan's "welfare queens"?) and until public discourse stops demonizing aid recipients, there's no incentive for political parties to stop riling up their base over an issue that involves a comparatively tiny amount of actual administrative waste.

And that proves...nothing.

Listen bro, I hate to break this too you, but this is exactly part of the problem and we're all guilty of it. You know...the age old argument of "I didn't see it happen therefore It doesn't happen anywhere in America". It's the norm in my hometown where I still reside and your experiences where you worked as a bagger/cashier doesnt change that, at all. I have no agenda and haven't called out any president including Obama. I want the best for everyone which is why I simply asked how to give to those who need it and weed out the ones who don't.

I don't think he's being a smartass, he's just giving his personal view that happens to be the opposite side of the coin from you. You've seen this abuse, he hasn't.

I just provided some numbers to back up his (correct) assertion, I wasn't responding to anything you said.

You're right, he wasn't being a smartazz when he called me FOS in the second sentence. Nor was he when he dedicated his entire post to debunking my post which was CLEARLY about MY town only. What's sad is I made it clear (twice) that I wanted those who need it to have it and those who don't to get weeded out. SMFH

Last post ITT. My dad owns the oldest, most successful bail bonding company in our area. Voted #1 out of 150 companies 10 years in a row. He started it when I was 6 months old back in 1978. I've had my license since 2006. It's our job to know every detail about your income, work history and items of value (if needed - iPhones, vehicles, TV's) before getting you out of jail. my original two posts werent opinions "IN OUR AREA", they're facts. We have it on record. Not to mention I've seen countless clients in the local checkout lines.

I am however extremely glad to know its not the same everywhere else. That makes me feel much better, I've often wondered that very thing.