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My opinion is that past successful programs and coaches are more likely to win than those who have not been successful in the past.
Therefore, that's why I think Ohio State and Meyer are most likely to win a title next. I don't why that is so difficult for you to grasp.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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Historically MSU has never been to a BCS Bowl. Therefore they have a 0% chance of ever making one, which is required to play in the national championship game.
I guess I need to change my earlier call on MSUs chances from a 1% to 0%.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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Giant Moose said...
I am not denying that there is a chance for someone to win a title for the first time. I just think it's more likely that a past successful program (or franchise in the case of the NHL) would win before someone who hasn't.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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Giant Moose said...
My opinion is that past successful programs and coaches are more likely to win than those who have not been successful in the past.
Therefore, that's why I think Ohio State and Meyer are most likely to win a title next. I don't why that is so difficult for you to grasp.
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Giant Moose said...
I am not denying that there is a chance for someone to win a title for the first time. I just think it's more likely that a past successful program (or franchise in the case of the NHL) would win before someone who hasn't.
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Giant Moose said...
Well, MSU has hired a coach with a national championship as an assistant so he does have some experience at the highest level. It would make sense to me that he did better than Rich Rodriguez who had never won a title. Hoke was part of an AP national champion as an assistant, so hypothetically, he should be able to make the series more competitive.
And among both Hoke, Dantonio and Meyer (which this question was originally about), I am going to go with the most successful coach and program until proven otherwise.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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D.Wags said...
Finally, I have to say that on the tapes I've watched from television it's very hard to tell how well receivers are blocking, however, under Carr I always appreciated how well his receivers blocked down field. Some of the best in college. I haven't paid attention to hoke's receivers, but I'd imagine being a Carr assistant it's more of the same.
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Giant Moose said...
Well, MSU has hired a coach with a national championship as an assistant so he does have some experience at the highest level. It would make sense to me that he did better than Rich Rodriguez who had never won a title. Hoke was part of an AP national champion as an assistant, so hypothetically, he should be able to make the series more competitive.
And among both Hoke, Dantonio and Meyer (which this question was originally about), I am going to go with the most successful coach and program until proven otherwise.
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Giant Moose said...
Doesn't it actually support my theory that a school with a coach who hasn't won a championship and a history of not winning championships, doesn't win them? He's had success, but still neither the school or Kelly has the ultimate prize.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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Doesn't it actually support my theory that a school with a coach who hasn't won a championship and a history of not winning championships, doesn't win them? He's had success, but still neither the school or Kelly has the ultimate prize.
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What would support your theory is if you looked at all the coaches who had won championships, found the percentage of them who had previously won a championship as a coordinator(or i guess position coach) and compared that to the percentage coaches in programs that actually have a chance to win championships.
I don't feel like doing that, but here are some prominent counterexamples to your theory
Nick Saban 3 NCs Jim Tressel Mack Brown Pete Carroll Urban Meyer 2 NCs
Over the past 10 years, 8 of the NC winning coaches did not win a NC as a coordinator or position coach before winning their first NC as a head coach
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MrWoodson said...
You know too much football to not understand that the blocking schemes are different in a zone read spread offense than a pro set. In a pro set, the decision whether to run or pass is made before the snap. A zone read offense is different. In a zone read, the decision about what to do with the ball generally is made after the snap. Sometimes the decision is simply whether the QB is going to hand off the ball to a RB or keep it himself, but many other plays are designed with run/pass or even run/run/pass options giving the QB the option to keep the ball, hand the ball off or throw the ball. And the QB makes that decision after the ball is snapped, not before. It is not power football out of the I and you don't block it the same way.
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Wendel Clark said...
EDIT: 8 of the 10 teams had coaches who did not win a NC as a coordinator or position coach before winning their first NC as a head coach
What does this mean about the chances of Dantonio, Hoke, or Meyer winning next? absolutely nothing, but it provides evidence against your claim
This post was edited by Giant Moose on 6/5/2012 at 2:51 PM
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D.Wags said...
Are you saying a pro SET and a zone READ are different? really? O.K., I'm good with that. However, that's like saying a DIVE play is different than an OPTION play. I'm going back where I said the two offenses are similar. I did say I believe you will see Urban Meyer taking his spread which uses an H back often, and adding the extra asset of the qb as a running back. That's your difference. I'm not sold on running the qb so often anyway. How many Tebows are there? Cam Newtons? I think Oregon gets away with it because they're in the pac ten. Drew Stanton sure got the crap beat out of him. I think Denard has been hurt in a couple of seasons. If you got the guy that can take that heat, god bless you, but if Denard has to come out of key games at key times just because he's shaken, you can take all of his stats and run with them, because if we're 3rd and three and he's on the bench it sucks. Lose a key game here or there due to three or four crucial plays he's out and your season sucks. That said, I'd run that sob till he dies if he was on my team. Weird thought process huh?
You were the one who didn't understand Michigan's blocking schemes in the spread.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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No it doesn't. All it showed is that programs that have historically been able to win the national championship will win it again even if their new coach hadn't yet won a title.
Michigan has not won a Coaches' championship in the past so they are at a disadvantage I think.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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D.Wags said...
This is interesting: Two guys are on a golf course in the rain. One guy who has been hit by lightening, is walking in on one side of the fairway, while the other guy, who has never been hit by lightning, is walking in on the other side of the fair way.
So, who is more likely to get struck by lightning? The guy who has been hit before, because he has, defying astronomical odds and getting hit twice in one lifetime. Or the guy who has never been hit before, because he hasn't.
I say Hoke and Meyer would get hit by lightning, because it would not dare hit Dantonio. Dantonio would hit lightning first. Then, Hoke and Meyer would need a couple years to recooperate, and Dantonio would win two championships.
That's my prediction.
You present a compelling argument. This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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