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Of Hoke, Dantonio, and Meyer, who wins a natty...

  • CRgator1 said...

    This all depends on the Meyer vs Mattison matchups.

    Im not disrespecting Hoke, or discrediting his abilities. Mattison and Grantham (UGA) were probably the 2 best hires in the last few yrs.

    Meyer knows first hand how much better that Mich defense will be under him.

    Meyer is the safest answer, because he will have an experienced qb after the ban. But, Hoke/Mattison will be very good as well.

    The most interesting thing about that is Mattison should know Meyer's offense and Meyer should know Mattison's defense better than just about anyone.

    MrWoodson

  • Gfortress5 said...

    MD is doing a great job of building a brand at MSU but he also has the more difficult road to travel. The other two stepped in to jobs where the brand was already built and they just had to make it their own. With that said he also gets more forgiveness when things go poorly in a season, Hoke would be second on the forgiveness level, but if Meyer doesn't win and win quickly he would likely have the shortest leash because of his reputation and our record over the last 10 years (both wins and the bad stuff we are all trying to forget).

    I can agree with this. With three traditional powers in our backyard (UM, OSU, ND), recruiting will obviously be more difficult. The key for us is to keep getting the Ohio guys OSU passes over with the occasional four/five-star type. Our staff has proven to be excellent at finding and developing talent and must continue to do so to keep up. Like I said, not likely that MSU reaches that point, but with our weaker schedule and the development of our defense over the next few seasons, who knows. I would think UM and OSU fans would like a stronger overall conference, which means a strong MSU, Wisconsin, PSU, Nebraska, Iowa. The way some of your fans make it sound, they want the "Big 2 Little 10." I don't really get that reasoning.

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  • Gfortress5 said...

    Oddly, I think they have hit their ceiling with ole BB

    Back to back Rosebowls is not a bad ceiling.

    MrWoodson

  • Gfortress5 said...

    I have to go with this, logically Hoke is restaffing his roster to fit his identity which is usually a 4 year endeavor, 3 at the least. Meyer is basically 1 -2 years in the making to make the transition, especially since he already has 3 qbs that are made to order for his new "ProSpread" offense. Blue's schedule this year is borderline brutal and will be a better marker, than last year, which if things go badly could be a set back in the personality of the team and next year is a new qb and probably a bigger switch over to the Pro I offense. MSU is not going to get any better until OSU and Blue raise the bar. The beat downs they have been taking in the bowls just goes to show you that there is not enough hardline competition during the season to sharpen the ax, if you will. I think the addition of Neb. will definitely help the cause of the league to raise the bar for sure. IYAM

    Yea, Braxton's senior year I think OSU will have a chance at a NC. Michigan won't have a chance until Morris is an upperclassmen.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    All things considered, it is 50% for Urban, 49% for Hoke, 1% for Dantonio. Urban and Hoke recruit the athletes it takes to win every game, Dantonio doesn't.

    Shocking, just shocking I tell you, that you would break down the percentages like that. Could you be any more of a homer?

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Back to back Rosebowls is not a bad ceiling.

    with embarrassing loses at both due to play calling, with whose QB am I gonna insert this year to try to pull this season out of my ass thinking, with lost a couple maybe several of their best position coaches.... Yeah I am sticking with it.

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  • J-Wil said...

    Yea, Braxton's senior year I think OSU will have a chance at a NC. Michigan won't have a chance until Morris is an upperclassmen.

    Maybe not.... the kid was a good get. Soph year may surprise. the thing is we have to get through each other to get to the NC game and that is gonna make this fun again.

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  • I don't know how anyone doesn't say Meyer. Anyone saying Hoke or Dantonio is probably being a homer.

    Harry Callahan

  • J-Wil said...

    Yea, Braxton's senior year I think OSU will have a chance at a NC. Michigan won't have a chance until Morris is an upperclassmen.

    Michigan wins the Natty in both 2013 and 2015.

    MrWoodson

  • Master Tang said...

    Shocking, just shocking I tell you, that you would break down the percentages like that. Could you be any more of a homer?

    I could be, but as you could see, I actually gave MSU a chance.

    Now the real question is.whether or not that 1% is based off of Coach D winning it at MSU or a school that actually recruits well enough to give him a chance.

    xxmgobluexx

  • I'd lay the odds out like this:

    Dantonio: 1%. Hoke: 9%. Meyer 20%. None of them ever getting a NC at their current school: 80%.

    Ol Drippy21167

  • I'm sure coach D will be laughed at for being on this list but let me throw this out there. In 2013-2014 we will have...

    -A RS Senior Elite 11 QB
    -4 of 5 O-linemen returning that have two+ years of starting experience
    -All WR's return including 3 that were top 100 recruits
    -If Big Will comes back the D-line will return 3 of 4 and be very deep and talented
    -7 starters from last years top 5 defense were sophomores
    -A senior all big ten caliber RB
    -Returning TE
    -Miss Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin on our schedule plus get Michigan at home.

    It so hard to go undefeated then win a NT, but MSU has the best chance in the next two years and it's really hard to argue that with the changes OSU is going through and Michigan having a freshmen QB next year.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Michigan wins the Natty in both 2013 and 2015.

    You drunk or ODing on homer pills.... NM it's Woodson. You know they don't just hand that trophy out to whom ever. It takes a combination of talent, schedule, coaching, and one hell of a lot of luck to do it once.

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  • Master Tang said...

    I can agree with this. With three traditional powers in our backyard (UM, OSU, ND), recruiting will obviously be more difficult. The key for us is to keep getting the Ohio guys OSU passes over with the occasional four/five-star type. Our staff has proven to be excellent at finding and developing talent and must continue to do so to keep up. Like I said, not likely that MSU reaches that point, but with our weaker schedule and the development of our defense over the next few seasons, who knows. I would think UM and OSU fans would like a stronger overall conference, which means a strong MSU, Wisconsin, PSU, Nebraska, Iowa. The way some of your fans make it sound, they want the "Big 2 Little 10." I don't really get that reasoning.

    With Nebraska moving their recruiting into the Midwest, that will hurt MSU. Michigan and tOSU will continue to grab the top talent, and MSU has been thriving off of getting the passed over 3* and low 4* kids. Those are The same type of kids that Nebraska is picking up. It will be interesting watching the Nebraska and MSU recruiting battles in the future.

    xxmgobluexx

  • MSU has the easiest path, schedule-wise, in the upcoming years (no OSU, PSU,or Wisconsin in a single season). They'll also have a seasoned QB in Maxwell. Their fate lies in Ann Arbor, Lincoln, and the CCG in Indy.

    Can they run the table without stubbing their toe despite an easy schedule? History says no but we'll have to wait and see. I certainly hope not lol

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  • Bailey1149 said...

    It so hard to go undefeated then win a NT, but MSU has the best chance in the next two years and it's really hard to argue that with the changes OSU is going through and Michigan having a freshmen QB next year.

    This is thing that would keep you from being top 5 at the end of the year which goes back to "sharpening the ax" SOS will down you on the respect, beating an undefeated Blue is the only redeeming factor that could help and if that is the only game they were to lose, the voters are gonna put it to the rivalry and Blue would still be ahead of you in the polls because of their SOS this year.

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  • Macks said...

    MSU doesn't have a Cam-like player on offense, but their defense is much better than Auburn's was in 2010 when they won the title. I don't think it's particularly likely that MSU wins a NC anytime soon but a solid defense can do wonders even with a so-so offense.

    A dominant defense can do wonder’s with a so-so offense. MSU as of right now is not a dominant defense.

    Although MSU’s defense this year might be better as a whole than Auburn’s was in 2010, that Auburn team still had the most dominant defensive player in all of CFB that year in Nick Fairley.

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  • Gfortress5 said...

    This is thing that would keep you from being top 5 at the end of the year which goes back to "sharpening the ax" SOS will down you on the respect, beating an undefeated Blue is the only redeeming factor that could help and if that is the only game they were to lose, the voters are gonna put it to the rivalry and Blue would still be ahead of you in the polls because of their SOS this year.

    He also doesn't realize that Gardner will be a Senior and Bellomy a RS Soph that season, at the QB position.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    He also doesn't realize that Gardner will be a Senior and Bellomy a RS Soph that season, at the QB position.

    Valid

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  • Gfortress5 said...

    You drunk or ODing on homer pills.... NM it's Woodson. You know they don't just hand that trophy out to whom ever. It takes a combination of talent, schedule, coaching, and one hell of a lot of luck to do it once.

    C'mon, you guys got one. How hard can it be?

    MrWoodson

  • Unless Charle Strong & Dan Mullen want to take a step down position, Meyer isnt winning anything.

    I give him 2 years before he bails, or gets OSU in more hot water. The guy was outta control at UF.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    C'mon, you guys got one. How hard can it be?

    I said "a hell of a lot of luck" didn't I?

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  • Bailey1149 said...

    I'm sure coach D will be laughed at for being on this list but let me throw this out there. In 2013-2014 we will have...

    -A RS Senior Elite 11 QB -4 of 5 O-linemen returning that have two+ years of starting experience -All WR's return including 3 that were top 100 recruits -If Big Will comes back the D-line will return 3 of 4 and be very deep and talented -7 starters from last years top 5 defense were sophomores -A senior all big ten caliber RB -Returning TE -Miss Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin on our schedule plus get Michigan at home.

    It so hard to go undefeated then win a NT, but MSU has the best chance in the next two years and it's really hard to argue that with the changes OSU is going through and Michigan having a freshmen QB next year.

    MSU would still likely have to beat Wis, PSU or OSU in the Big Ten title game and also win the National title game to win it all. The OP said win a national title not just get there. The fact still remains, that in at least 10 years no team has won a national title without a top 5/top 10 recruiting class that contributed greatly to their national title team. I don't see that changing anytime soon and I don't see MSU landing a top 5/10 class in the next couple of years.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    With Nebraska moving their recruiting into the Midwest, that will hurt MSU. Michigan and tOSU will continue to grab the top talent, and MSU has been thriving off of getting the passed over 3* and low 4* kids. Those are The same type of kids that Nebraska is picking up. It will be interesting watching the Nebraska and MSU recruiting battles in the future.

    We shall see.

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  • Master Tang said...

    I think you need to stop being snarky and realize that Dantonio is one of the main reasons you won your only national championship in the last 40 years. With our schedule in the next few years and the progression of our defense, you can never rule anything out. Not saying it's likely, but who in a million years would have thought Auburn would win a championship last year? Not many.

    Even though Ohio States defenses have been rock solid since Dantonio i still rue the day he left Columbus. In my life he is the best DC we have every had and i miss him to this exact second.

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