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Giant Moose said...
I think the coaches do not like Michigan. Honestly, I would be worried about that if I were a Michigan fan since there is a human element to who makes the national championship game.
I am not pretending that MSU is going to win it, either. Sure, MSU has had a nice run and it is great to finally have awoken from our long slumber, but it will take a lot for the Spartans to be in this discussion as well.
Only Ohio State and Meyer have a realistic shot until MSU and UM prove otherwise.
MSU isn't a very good football program.. takes year of consistent winning to get to that level. - copemoney 1/22/13
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SpartanRocky said...
All while blocking no one downfield. The point is that your WRs can't effectively block down field for a running play and also run routes; if those WRs were run-blocking, Toussaint has a great shot at a TD. You can certainly run a running play out of a passing formation; a draw play is essentially a play-action run for that reason.
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Never Lose Hoke said...
If Michigan ever goes undefeated in the B1G and their non-conference schedule, they will be in the National Championship Game, unless it is a playoff by then. Also, if the coaches don't like Michigan, and that hurts their ranking, why would Michigan have been ranked high enough for the Sugar Bowl? Michigan's name would be strong enough to get into the MNC just like the Sugar Bowl.
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Perhaps. I would like to think an undefeated Big Ten team like Michigan would make it to the NCG, but you have to think an SEC team would automatically be there no matter what. And then if Michigan is up against an undefeated USC or undefeated Texas, who would get the nod?
It could get interesting, and historically, when determining who is among the elite of the elite, for some reason the coaches have snubbed the Wolverines. Plus with the Big Ten's reputation being lower than in the past, I could see how Michigan could be on the outside looking in when three teams are in the conversation.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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Giant Moose said...
It is not my stat. I don't determine who is the national champion. I put the most weight into what the coaches' think though because they actually are involved in the game. Also, anything before 1950, you have to admit wasn't really the same game as it is today for several reasons.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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Giant Moose said...
Perhaps. I would like to think an undefeated Big Ten team like Michigan would make it to the NCG, but you have to think an SEC team would automatically be there no matter what. And then if Michigan is up against an undefeated USC or undefeated Texas, who would get the nod?
It could get interesting, and historically, when determining who is among the elite of the elite, for some reason the coaches have snubbed the Wolverines. Plus with the Big Ten's reputation being lower than in the past, I could see how Michigan could be on the outside looking in when three teams are in the conversation.
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Never Lose Hoke said...
That stat doesn't prove anything though. You claim that historically the coaches have snubbed Michigan, you have one case to prove your point. That doesn't guarantee that the coaches will snub them again this year. Besides, I doubt that an undefeated Big 12 team would go over an undefeated B1G team.
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Giant Moose said...
Well isn't one very high-profile proven case more than your argument has? Honestly, none of us have any idea what will happen. It is all speculative.
The question was about Michigan, MSU and Ohio State. Given Michigan's and MSU's lack of high-profile success in the modern era, I just gave my opinion that I see neither Hoke or Dantonio getting it done before Ohio State and Meyer.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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SpartanRocky said...
Wait, so your WRs have to make reads as to whether they're supposed to blocking their guys down field for a running play, or actually running passing routes for a passing play? Stop and think about how that'd work. Do they sit at the LOS, wait to look at Denard and see if he's going back to pass, and THEN start running routes?
Sorry dude, but you're completely talking out of your rear on this one.
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MrWoodson said...
No. The pass option generally is to one designated receiver just like the handoff option is to one RB. Go to smart football and read up on the spread. Or go to youtube and watch some of RR's videos where he breaks down the offense. Is this really new to you? I guess maybe us Michigan fans take it for granted at this point because we had to learn it all when RR came to town, but I'm a bit surprised that the more knowledgeable guys like you and DWags don't understand how the spread works.
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SpartanRocky said...
All while blocking no one downfield. The point is that your WRs can't effectively block down field for a running play and also run routes; if those WRs were run-blocking, Toussaint has a great shot at a TD. You can certainly run a running play out of a passing formation; a draw play is essentially a play-action run for that reason.
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Wendel Clark said...
The coaches have historically not chosen Wake Forest as the national champion either...Besides shouldn't we be using the more reliable methods of choosing a national championship like the Dunkel Index or Boand system which allowed MSU to claims NCs for teams that failed to even win the Big Ten?
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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Wendel Clark said...
The coaches have historically not chosen Wake Forest as the national champion either..
Yes, and if you were to ask me if Wake Forest, Michigan or Ohio State would get a coaches' national championship next, I would say Ohio State because Wake Forest and Michigan never have gotten it done.
This post was edited by Giant Moose on 6/5/2012 at 1:59 PM
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Yes, and if you were to ask me if Wake Forest, Michigan or Ohio State would get a coaches' national championship next, I would say Ohio State because Wake Forest and Michigan never have gotten it done.
This post was edited by Never Lose Hoke on 6/5/2012 at 2:03 PM
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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Yes, and if you were to ask me if Wake Forest, Michigan or Ohio State would get a coaches' national championship next, I would say Ohio State because Wake Forest and Michigan never have gotten it done.
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Giant Moose said...
My opinion is that past successful programs and coaches are more likely to win than those who have not been successful in the past.
Therefore, that's why I think Ohio State and Meyer are most likely to win a title next. I don't why that is so difficult for you to grasp.
This is Michigan, fergodsakes.
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