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Oregon Football: The Death of a Program

  • IrishImpact said...

    As far as tradition goes??

    Those teams have tradition and recent success.

    Notre Dame is missing one.

    Your program used to great but it isn't anymore and won't be unless Jesus himself comes down and coaches the team.

    Get over yourself.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    As long as I live, Notre Dame will never win another NC.

    I wouldn't go that far. If they get the right coach they will be right up there with everyone else. If Notre Dame would have hired Gruden or Urban they would be just fine and in quick fashion.

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  • RATT said...

    I wouldn't go that far. If they get the right coach they will be right up there with everyone else. If Notre Dame would have hired Gruden or Urban they would be just fine and in quick fashion.

    I would. No one really wants to coach ND. If they did they would have gotten someone better than Brian Kelly.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    Notre Dame has the exact same academic standards for football that Stanford, Oregon, Florida, Vanderbilt, and Michigan have. All teams use the same NCAA standards for recruiting football players.

    What Notre Dame does NOT do, is take partial qualifiers. So thats the only way that Notre Dames "tough" academics could possibly hurt them.

    BS...Stanford? Notre Dame?

    Keep telling yourself that quacker, no way is your glorified JC anywhere near that level. There is a NCAA minimum, does not mean all universities accept that minimum. USC does not accept partial qualifiers, so that makes us Notre Dame? Stanford?

    Please..you've been smoking some potent weed.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    How many it been for Oregon?

    That's like Chicago Cubs fans mocking Rays fans for not winning a WS yet..... the Rays have been the much better team in recent memory

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I would. No one really wants to coach ND. If they did they would have gotten someone better than Brian Kelly.

    How quickly you forget that we were forced to hire Mike Shula not so long ago after Mike Price decided to use a university granted credit card to buy hookers. I don't like the cockiness of Notre Dame fans, for the most part, anymore than you do. Bama fans should be the first to know how quickly the right coach can turn things around though.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    As long as I live, Notre Dame will never win another NC.

    How old are you?

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I would. No one really wants to coach ND. If they did they would have gotten someone better than Brian Kelly.

    lol I'm with you here

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  • RATT said...

    How quickly you forget that we were forced to hire Mike Shula not so long ago after Mike Price decided to use a university granted credit card to buy hookers. I don't like the cockiness of Notre Dame fans, for the most part, anymore than you do. Bama fans should be the first to know how quickly the right coach can turn things around though.

    Mike Shula and Mike Dubose were better coaches and more successful than Ty Willingham and Charlie Weis.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    How old are you?

    20

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    BS...Stanford? Notre Dame?

    Keep telling yourself that quacker, no way is your glorified JC anywhere near that level. There is a NCAA minimum, does not mean all universities accept that minimum. USC does not accept partial qualifiers, so that makes us Notre Dame? Stanford?

    Please..you've been smoking some potent weed.

    You dont know what you are talking about.

    Notre Dame, like every other division one football school, uses the NCAA minimums for student athletes they want to recruit to their school.

    Those standards are LOWER than the standards for the regular student body.

    USC has that exact same standard of admission for their football players as does Colorado and Texas Tech and pretty much everyone in division 1. I hate to break it to you.

    Notre Dame also USUALLY doesnt take transfers from junior colleges. (Much like Stanford and a couple of other places) unless its a very special case. USC has no problem doing that.

    This post was edited by AlwaysMore on 4/29/2012 at 12:05 AM

    AlwaysMore

  • ejb5212 said...

    That's like Chicago Cubs fans mocking Rays fans for not winning a WS yet..... the Rays have been the much better team in recent memory

    Moral of the story...don't throw stones

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    20

    I'm 32. Case and point. If you were atleast 5-10 years older you would have some inclination as to what I'm trying to get across. But to you the Irish are the Montreal Canadiens. Awesome history...that you know nothing about.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    I'm 32. Case and point. If you were atleast 5-10 years older you would have some inclination as to what I'm trying to get across. But to you the Irish are the Montreal Canadiens. Awesome history...that you know nothing about.

    The rest of my family is über-Catholic and über-Irish fans. I have been hearing about it since 1992. I know all about ND history.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    The rest of my family is über-Catholic and über-Irish fans. I have been hearing about it since 1992. I know all about ND history.

    Come on....1988 wasnt THAT long ago. I'm sure there are at least a couple kids on the Irish roster that were alive then. Maybe. Okay maybe not, but at least its close.

    AlwaysMore

  • IrishImpact said...

    Why do you honestly think we get publicity? Because like the Yankees, Cowboys, Lakers, and Red Wings we are the most popular team of the sport. Largest fanbase. Largest history. HUGE standards. Don't blame us...blame our history.

    I'm not sure how any of this is a response to what I said.

    Notre Dame is struggling for a variety of reasons, but not because they are not cheating. Bad coaching, bad evaluating, de-emphasis of defense, loss of mystique surrounding the program due to cultural changes, and changes in demographics that affect the Midwest more generally.

    This post was edited by joetheogre on 4/29/2012 at 12:11 AM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    The rest of my family is über-Catholic and über-Irish fans. I have been hearing about it since 1992. I know all about ND history.

    You know nothing. You probably didn't start paying attention to football until 2002-2003...what people don't realize is ND has gone over 20 year stretches before.

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  • If ND got a good coach, and gave him full reign, they could be in the top 5 no problem. ND can draw 4 & 5* talent just with their name alone. Anyone who disagrees with that is just stupid. ND has the same name recognition with recruits as SC, Bama, & LSU. SC & Bama both had bad stretches, but nobody would say they wouldnt be back, cause to say that is just rediculous. Good programs can fall off, Great programs can too, but Legendary programs will ALWAYS bounce back.

    This post was edited by trojanNorCal on 4/29/2012 at 12:21 AM

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  • IrishImpact said...

    You know nothing. You probably didn't start paying attention to football until 2002-2003...what people don't realize is ND has gone over 20 year stretches before.

    What you won't accept is how the game has changed and it is not in ND's favor.

    You are and will be irrelevant for a long time to come.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    What you won't accept is how the game has changed and it is not in ND's favor.

    You are and will be irrelevant for a long time to come.

    You have yet to explain how the game has changed so much...

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    You dont know what you are talking about.

    Notre Dame, like every other division one football school, uses the NCAA minimums for student athletes they want to recruit to their school.

    Those standards are LOWER than the standards for the regular student body.

    USC has that exact same standard of admission for their football players as does Colorado and Texas Tech. I hate to break it to you.

    Notre Dame also USUALLY doesnt take transfers from junior colleges. (Much like Stanford and a couple of other places) unless its a very special case. USC has no problem doing that.

    You're the one that doesn't know what you're talking about. You just don't get it.

    Of course, every university in the country makes academic allowances for athletes...Notre Dame or Stanford's allowance would be the quackers honor student. Basically, your university will accept anyone who can write a check, and not dead over ten days. That's who your pothead thugs are competing with in the classroom.

    So would USC, why do you think Lane hired the man that came up with "Academic Gameplan" ? Because we had too many kids that were struggling academically. The kids we've been recruiting the past two years include some outstanding students. Our center enters his senior season in his second year in the masters program, and he's not the only one.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    You dont know what you are talking about.

    Notre Dame, like every other division one football school, uses the NCAA minimums for student athletes they want to recruit to their school.

    Those standards are LOWER than the standards for the regular student body.

    USC has that exact same standard of admission for their football players as does Colorado and Texas Tech and pretty much everyone in division 1. I hate to break it to you.

    Notre Dame also USUALLY doesnt take transfers from junior colleges. (Much like Stanford and a couple of other places) unless its a very special case. USC has no problem doing that.

    Actually, she does know what she is talking about.

    Don't believe the myths. Even the football players have higher academic enrollment standards at Notre Dame.

    Why Notre Dame has fallen behind in quest for talent - Andy Staples - SI.com

    Notre Dame officials made a critical choice a few years ago. They could lower their academic standards to allow in better athletes so alumni could take pride in their football team, or they could keep those standards high so alumni could take pride in their university.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    Ya but Sapp says it won't come down for a few months

    Shit just got deep.panic

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  • IrishImpact said...

    You know nothing. You probably didn't start paying attention to football until 2002-2003...what people don't realize is ND has gone over 20 year stretches before.

    They have? When?

    Your knowledge of Notre Dame football is becoming more suspect.

    The longest period the Irish have gone between national championships since 1924, (When they won the first one the school recognizes) is those long dark years between 1949 and 1966. Now my Oregon math may not be up to the exacting standards you are used to, but thats 17 seasons.

    The last Notre Dame national championship was in 1988. Thats 23 seasons. Its, by a healthy margin, the longest such stretch in their vaunted history. And I dont think anyone is holding out much hope that the streak ends in 2012.

    AlwaysMore

  • II,

    Why would a kid want to come to South Bend over Baton Rouge,Tuscaloosa,LA,Tallahassee,Gainseville,Miami,Austin etc.?

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