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Oregon Football: The Death of a Program

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    II,

    Why would a kid want to come to South Bend over Baton Rouge,Tuscaloosa,LA,Tallahassee,Gainseville,Miami,Austin etc.?

    Great question, you should ask all the 4*/5* we land.

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  • Dear AlwaysMore:
    usctrojans1 is a female, and oddly enough, she is one person every guy on the fighton board knows not to debate cfb with. Just an fyi

    trojanNorCal

  • AlwaysMore said...

    They have? When?

    Your knowledge of Notre Dame football is becoming more suspect.

    The longest period the Irish have gone between national championships since 1924, (When they won the first one the school recognizes) is those long dark years between 1949 and 1966. Now my Oregon math may not be up to the exacting standards you are used to, but thats 17 seasons.

    The last Notre Dame national championship was in 1988. Thats 23 seasons. Its, by a healthy margin, the longest such stretch in their vaunted history. And I dont think anyone is holding out much hope that the streak ends in 2012.

    We have 13 titles. Your knowledge of Google is highly suspect...

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  • star69 said...

    Great question, you should ask all the 4*/5* we land.

    According to 247, you've had two 5* and one isn't even there anymore.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Actually, she does know what she is talking about.

    Don't believe the myths. Even the football players have higher academic enrollment standards at Notre Dame.

    Its bullcrap. Notre Dame takes the exact same athletes as anyone else.

    Here is where those academic standards are hurting the Irish.

    1-They will not take partial qualifiers. So they wont take any of those borderline kids that are given a scholarship and then allowed to prove that they are able to handle a college workload for a year and then have three years of eligibility.

    2-They will not take non qualifiers. This means they will not recruit junior college players. This is critical with the number of coaching changes Notre Dame has gone through, as its easier to build a team using JC players, as they have actual college experience, plus they are usually bigger and better developed.

    Are you people under the delusion that Notre Dame applies the same academic standards to their freshman football players as they do their regular incoming freshman?

    They DO have tougher standards as I listed above......but their academic low bar for incoming freshman football players is no harder than the NCAA minimum.

    And yes...Stanford has those same standards for specific sports programs. The Lopez brothers, the seven foot basketball playing twins from a couple years ago? Both guys, right on the line for qualifying via NCAA standards....yet they got full ride scholarships to Stanford. It was reported on widely in California when they were being recruited, because Fresno State thought they had a chance at them, due to their questionable academics, except Stanford swept in and signed them up.

    AlwaysMore

  • IrishImpact said...

    We have 13 titles. Your knowledge of Google is highly suspect...

    You are still wrong about your "over 20 year stretches".

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  • So now we know that AlwaysMore is wrong about the academic standards.

    Now I'm lauging at him describing a timeline of Notre Dame's National Titles. An Oregon fan saying another team has gone a while since a championship!

    Seriously?

    BetterOff

  • IrishImpact said...

    We have 13 titles. Your knowledge of Google is highly suspect...

    So where has there been these 20 year gaps you were talking about, between those 13 titles?

    AlwaysMore

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    According to 247, you've had two 5* and one isn't even there anymore.

    Clausen, Teo, Rudolph, Young, Floyd, Johnson, Williams, Crist, and Kiel are a few kids that were 5* on a site or two.

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  • BetterOff said...

    So now we know that AlwaysMore is wrong about the academic standards.

    Now I'm lauging at him describing a timeline of Notre Dame's National Titles. An Oregon fan saying another team has gone a while since a championship!

    Seriously?

    He still proved II wrong about his claim of time in between.

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  • star69 said...

    Clausen, Teo, Rudolph, Young, Floyd, Johnson, Williams, Crist, and Kiel are a few kids that were 5* on a site or two.

    Sorry, should have added since 2010.

    I really didn't feel like going to other sites.

    The number of 5* talent is still underpar to other championship caliber programs.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Those teams have tradition and recent success.

    Notre Dame is missing one.

    Your program used to great but it isn't anymore and won't be unless Jesus himself comes down and coaches the team.

    Get over yourself.

    Oh ok, now you didn't say ''recent success''. Because the words ''history'' and ''recent success'' don't really go together right?

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  • BetterOff said...

    So now we know that AlwaysMore is wrong about the academic standards.

    Now I'm lauging at him describing a timeline of Notre Dame's National Titles. An Oregon fan saying another team has gone a while since a championship!

    Seriously?

    Seriously? Are you completely illiterate? The Notre Dame fan claimed that this 20 plus year gap was something that had happened before at Notre Dame. I simply asked him when, since he seemed to think it was not a problem. They have never had a dry spell this long in their football history.

    And I already explained exactly how Notre Dame handles academics.

    Next time try reading the content, and THEN posting your snarky responses. It goes better that way to furthering the conversation.

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    Its bullcrap. Notre Dame takes the exact same athletes as anyone else.

    Here is where those academic standards are hurting the Irish.

    1-They will not take partial qualifiers. So they wont take any of those borderline kids that are given a scholarship and then allowed to prove that they are able to handle a college workload for a year and then have three years of eligibility.

    2-They will not take non qualifiers. This means they will not recruit junior college players. This is critical with the number of coaching changes Notre Dame has gone through, as its easier to build a team using JC players, as they have actual college experience, plus they are usually bigger and better developed.

    Are you people under the delusion that Notre Dame applies the same academic standards to their freshman football players as they do their regular incoming freshman?

    They DO have tougher standards as I listed above......but their academic low bar for incoming freshman football players is no harder than the NCAA minimum.

    And yes...Stanford has those same standards for specific sports programs. The Lopez brothers, the seven foot basketball playing twins from a couple years ago? Both guys, right on the line for qualifying via NCAA standards....yet they got full ride scholarships to Stanford. It was reported on widely in California when they were being recruited, because Fresno State thought they had a chance at them, due to their questionable academics, except Stanford swept in and signed them up.

    Completely wrong as usual.

    Higher test scores are required at Notre Dame. Players also have to be approved by a board academically before Notre Dame can even offer them a scholarship.

    They don't even offer guys that might not meet their standards.

    You couldn't be more wrong. Sorry.

    They actually do apply the same standard for all students and student/athletes.

    This post was edited by BetterOff on 4/29/2012 at 12:46 AM

    BetterOff

  • IrishImpact said...

    Oh ok, now you didn't say ''recent success''. Because the words ''history'' and ''recent success'' don't really go together right?

    You can have both.

    And you guys don't have both like those teams you listed .

    By the way, I don't think you are the most popular team in CFB.

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  • trojanNorCal said...

    Dear AlwaysMore: usctrojans1 is a female, and oddly enough, she is one person every guy on the fighton board knows not to debate cfb with. Just an fyi

    I dont care what gender it is. Its not very well organized in its attempts to talk about these things.

    AlwaysMore

  • star69 said...

    Clausen, Teo, Rudolph, Young, Floyd, Johnson, Williams, Crist, and Kiel are a few kids that were 5* on a site or two.

    I'm sorry and I've been somewhat backing up ND in this thread but good luck with Kiel. That kid is flakier than a Pillsbury layered biscuit.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Completely wrong as usual.

    Higher test scores are required at Notre Dame. Players also have to be approved by a board academically before Notre Dame can even offer them a scholarship.

    They don't even offer guys that might not meet their standards.

    You couldn't be more wrong. Sorry.

    They actually do apply the same standard for all students and student/athletes.

    Really? What test scores have to be higher?

    And what are the standards of this board?

    And no...they do NOT apply the same academic standards to football players that they do for incoming students. Now if you are going to continue this, then prove it. Except you cant, because as a private institution, Notre Dame does not release those standards, and takes each person on a case by case basis.

    AlwaysMore

  • BetterOff said...

    Completely wrong as usual.

    Higher test scores are required at Notre Dame. Players also have to be approved by a board academically before Notre Dame can even offer them a scholarship.

    They don't even offer guys that might not meet their standards.

    You couldn't be more wrong. Sorry.

    They actually do apply the same standard for all students and student/athletes.


    And, we have a winner...again.

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  • Hey alwaysmore, how long do you think oregon will have between Participation Awards?

    trojanNorCal

  • IrishImpact said...

    We have 13 titles. Your knowledge of Google is highly suspect...

    When did I ever mention the number of titles Notre Dame has? Am I now competing with voices in your head to get your attention?

    AlwaysMore

  • trojanNorCal said...

    Hey alwaysmore, how long do you think oregon will have between Participation Awards?

    I dont know.....how long before you yahoos in Prophylactic land can finally win your first Pac-12 title?

    AlwaysMore

  • usctrojan1 said...

    And, we have a winner...again.

    Are you dating a ND guy or something? I have literally never seen a USC fan give so much love to ND.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    Seriously? Are you completely illiterate? The Notre Dame fan claimed that this 20 plus year gap was something that had happened before at Notre Dame. I simply asked him when, since he seemed to think it was not a problem. They have never had a dry spell this long in their football history.

    And I already explained exactly how Notre Dame handles academics.

    Next time try reading the content, and THEN posting your snarky responses. It goes better that way to furthering the conversation.

    The length hasn't but there was an instance when Lou Holtz got there in which Notre Dame had been down for a while and he talked the Administration into allowing him to enroll no more than 4 players on a yearly basis that would not meet the enrollment standards at the University.

    That helped him get Tim Brown, Tony Rice, Rocket Ismail, among others. None of those players would be allowed to enroll currently as that practice ended with the departure of Holtz.

    BetterOff

  • AlwaysMore said...

    I dont know.....how long before you yahoos in Prophylactic land can finally win your first Pac-12 title?

    Okay you lost me here for sure.

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