Online Now 3174

The Blue Board

We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.

On this Board 2075
Record: 7394 (2/14/2012)

Online now 3264
Record: 18710 (2/25/2012)

Boards ▾

The Blue Board

We aren't just committed to college football; we're early enrolling in it.

247Rumors

College football scuttlebutt and scoop- powered by Football Rumor Mill

The Green Board

Where the madness isn't just in March.

Big Ten Board (Beta)

Reply

Oregon Offense < Clemson Offense

  • ducklefty said...

    Is that why barner is a projected first rounder? Cause he's a stupid little baby back?

    I have not seen one big board that has him in the 1st round, anybody that does is a moron cause he will be 3rd round at best

    He is just another LMJ, maybe worse but if better its barely..... and LMJ ain't shit in terms of the NFL, cause he is built like a high schooler

    signature image signature image signature image

    NoVaNoles ●

  • ZFM_\\m//_504 said...

    Oregon is averaging 12 more points per game 54 vs 42

    Clemson is converting more in the red zone 95% 40/42 30 TDs 71% conversion rate vs 90% 50/55 44TDs 80% td conversion rate but Oregon is scoring tds more frequently

    Oregons turnover margin is better +8 to +4 But clemson has turned it over less 12 vs 18

    Clemson is converting 3rd down at a bit higher rate 54% to 50%

    Hmm tough choice but I think the fact that Oregon is scoring more points, scoring more red zone tds might just give it to them. you know what Oregon is going to try and do and you still can't stop it.

    Clemson is more balanced and may have more nfl playmakers but in terms of offensive efficiency I think Oregon wins but only slightly. Good topic for discussion though. I didn't it would be that close.

    I also think its a good discussion

    My thing is mostly a troll on stats, I don't really care about stats

    If Im a defensive coach of a great defense like say Alabama, neither truly scare me but Clemson's is far more dangerous cause of match ups

    Every corner in the world would rather cover a 5'8" midget like DeAnthony over a 6'1" speedster beast like Watkins

    Clemson is more dangerous for this reason imo, cause their players can cause more problems against elite players

    They have both played awful schedules and neither team is that good imo, and maybe Oregon beats Clemson

    But if I had a choice of players Im taking 3 Tigers before I even consider a Duck, that makes them better to me... cause I prefer their players over Oregon's

    Stats have little to do with it

    signature image signature image signature image

    NoVaNoles ●

  • NoVaNoles said...

    I also think its a good discussion

    My thing is mostly a troll on stats, I don't really care about stats

    If Im a defensive coach of a great defense like say Alabama, neither truly scare me but Clemson's is far more dangerous cause of match ups

    Every corner in the world would rather cover a 5'8" midget like DeAnthony over a 6'1" speedster beast like Watkins

    Clemson is more dangerous for this reason imo, cause their players can cause more problems against elite players

    They have both played awful schedules and neither team is that good imo, and maybe Oregon beats Clemson

    But if I had a choice of players Im taking 3 Tigers before I even consider a Duck, that makes them better to me... cause I prefer their players over Oregon's

    Stats have little to do with it

    Thats a fair point

    signature image signature image signature image

    XoGisele

    BuddyHolly ●

  • NoVaNoles said...

    I also think its a good discussion

    My thing is mostly a troll on stats, I don't really care about stats

    If Im a defensive coach of a great defense like say Alabama, neither truly scare me but Clemson's is far more dangerous cause of match ups

    Every corner in the world would rather cover a 5'8" midget like DeAnthony over a 6'1" speedster beast like Watkins

    Clemson is more dangerous for this reason imo, cause their players can cause more problems against elite players

    They have both played awful schedules and neither team is that good imo, and maybe Oregon beats Clemson

    But if I had a choice of players Im taking 3 Tigers before I even consider a Duck, that makes them better to me... cause I prefer their players over Oregon's

    Stats have little to do with it

    Oregon's weak-tit receivers infuriate me but they serve a purpose. Barner goes down with a strong blast of ass... He gets these yards in large part because these receivers seal the fvck off the edges. I would be dancing in the streets if Barner won the Heisman, but in my head I know this guy isn't a first round draft pick and I know LMJ was far better.

    Watkins and DAT are apples and oranges. But no corner wants to cover either IMO.

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    Oregon's weak-tit receivers infuriate me but they serve a purpose. Barner goes down with a strong blast of ass... He gets these yards in large part because these receivers seal the fvck off the edges. I would be dancing in the streets if Barner won the Heisman, but in my head I know this guy isn't a first round draft pick and I know LMJ was far better.

    Watkins and DAT are apples and oranges. But no corner wants to cover either IMO.

    Yeah I mean your offense works like a surgeon, I disagree on DAT though

    If I was an elite corner he wouldn't scare me as much as somebody like Watkins, and I know most have that attitude for Watkins can do so many things and does them better.... then you add the size difference and its a no brainer for me

    DAT isn't really a deep threat and his blocking against somebody physical would be a joke imo

    Remember Im talking about a elite defense here, one like Bama, LSU, FSU or UF

    They all bring a kind of defense to the table that Oregon hasn't seen before and its my opinion that somebody like Clemson poses a greater threat cause sometimes somebody like Watkins just beats even the best.... there isn't anything you can do, Ellington and Hopkins the same thing

    I haven't seen anybody on Oregon prove they can do the same, so until they do..... I gotta go with Clemson

    Clearly the 2 best offenses in america though, thus the thread.... nobody else compares imo unless you are talking Bama who is probably the hardest to stop from doing what they do

    Oregon fans can down vote all the want, its close

    This post was edited by NoVaNoles on 11/6/2012 at 2:05 PM

    signature image signature image signature image

    NoVaNoles ●

  • NoVaNoles said...

    Yeah I mean your offense works like a surgeon, I disagree on DAT though

    If I was an elite corner he wouldn't scare me as much as somebody like Watkins, and I know most have that attitude for Watkins can do so many things and does them better.... then you add the size difference and its a no brainer for me

    DAT isn't really a deep threat and his blocking against somebody physical would be a joke imo

    Remember Im talking about a elite defense here, one like Bama, LSU, FSU or UF

    They all bring a kind of defense to the table that Oregon hasn't seen before and its my opinion that somebody like Clemson poses a greater threat cause sometimes somebody like Watkins just beats even the best.... there isn't anything you can do, Ellington and Hopkins the same thing

    I haven't seen anybody on Oregon prove they can do the same, so until they do..... I gotta go with Clemson

    Clearly the 2 best offenses in america though, thus the thread.... nobody else compares imo unless you are talking Bama who is probably the hardest to stop from doing what they do

    Oregon fans can down vote all the want, its close

    Why I'm saying apples and oranges is that Watkins is asked to do different things than DAT. DAT is not going to be the same kind of deep threat that Sammy is, no doubt. It's not because of his hands or his speed it's because of his size. Boyd has a lot more margin for error in laying one out deep for Watkins. But DAT is lining up all over the place... It's pretty rare when he's isolated one on one on the outside. They just want to get him the ball in space... And when he has it he's devastating.

    And I know you're talking about elite defenses... But in the LSU game, who was the only dude that looked like he belonged on the field with LSU? DAT. Yeah he pretty much fumbled the game away, but he was balling. And that was his first collegiate game ever.

    Clemson's receivers >>>>>>> Oregon receivers. But if Oregon's receivers can sustain blocks against Bama's DBs I'll take them over Clemson's any day.

    brem22

  • NoVaNoles said...

    I have not seen one big board that has him in the 1st round, anybody that does is a moron cause he will be 3rd round at best

    He is just another LMJ, maybe worse but if better its barely..... and LMJ ain't shit in terms of the NFL, cause he is built like a high schooler

    So I guess that Kiper (who has Barner in the 1st) and Jim Harbaugh (who drafted LMJ in the 2nd) are morons. Good to know.

    wig

  • Murrdawg69 said...

    So when did FSU become a good defense?

    Exactly. Noles always talks about how FSU is an elite D, but when they played a real offense they were taken to school. Noles is just upset he's not a Bama fan. Worst poster ever. That's why he has had multiple accounts on the BB. He pretty much just trolls the top teams until he's banned and then starts another account with his parents credit card. I wonder if Noles has ever worked a day in his life? Obviously he does not have a job. Anyone who post on this board a few times per hour is definitely unemployed, but he can still manage to pay for this site, hence the parents credit card. I have this image of Noles and I have a feeling I'm pretty accurate as to how this kid is. That's why I love him. He is definitely a character. I will definitely buy him a beer one day before I murder him and his whole family.

    KeepOnDucking

  • NoVaNoles said...

    He is just another LMJ, maybe worse but if better its barely..... and LMJ ain't shit in terms of the NFL, cause he is built like a high schooler

    What an insult to compare barner to the 2nd leading rusher in conference history headslap

    ducklefty ●

  • wig said...

    So I guess that Kiper (who has Barner in the 1st) and Jim Harbaugh (who drafted LMJ in the 2nd) are morons. Good to know.

    roflmao yes Kiper is a moron

    And Harbaugh blew that draft pick

    signature image signature image signature image

    NoVaNoles ●

  • Keep-On-Ducking said... I will definitely buy him a beer one day before I murder him and his whole family.

    roflmao

    signature image signature image signature image

    NoVaNoles ●

  • Keep-On-Ducking said... Anyone who post on this board a few times per hour is definitely unemployed, but he can still manage to pay for this site, hence the parents credit card.

    Do you see a VIP under my name ? hence I don't pay for this site, any other theories ?

    signature image signature image signature image

    NoVaNoles ●

  • USC offense>Clemson offense.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    USC offense>Clemson offense.

    I would probably agree in terms of talent, except Clemson has a better RB imo and Watkins is another wrinkle that can run the ball

    USCw is certainly in the discussion for best offense, also worst defense

    Overall I like Clemson better than USCw too, but its also very close

    This post was edited by NoVaNoles on 11/6/2012 at 8:11 PM

    signature image signature image signature image

    NoVaNoles ●

  • NoVaNoles said...

    I would probably agree in terms of talent, except Clemson has a better RB imo and Watkins is another wrinkle that can run the ball

    USCw is certainly in the discussion for best offense, also worst defense

    Overall I like Clemson better than USCw too, but its also very close

    You say Watkins is a wrinkle, but let's throw all bullshit aside, Marquise Lee is the best football player in college football period. Do you think that there is any corner in America that wants any part of Lee?

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • MJRuffalo said...

    You say Watkins is a wrinkle, but let's throw all bullshit aside, Marquise Lee is the best football player in college football period. Do you think that there is any corner in America that wants any part of Lee?

    No but acting like Lee is that much better than Watkins isn't fair, and might not even be true

    Lee has the better QB and gets the ball more in the pass game, both are elite

    No corner wants any part of either of them, Hopkins or Woods either

    Saying Lee is hands down the best player in america is just a USCw fan hanging on to whatever he can say to make him feel good, like you assholes are known for

    There are all kinds of players that belong in the discussion and there is no telling if Lee will have the best NFL career at WR or overall

    signature image signature image signature image

    NoVaNoles ●

  • ducklefty said...

    What an insult to compare barner to the 2nd leading rusher in conference history headslap

    Yup +1

    KeepOnDucking

  • NoVaNoles said...

    Do you see a VIP under my name ? hence I don't pay for this site, any other theories ?

    Cheap bastard.

    KeepOnDucking

  • Clemson sucks. They don't play anybody. How did Sammy Dropkins and the Clemson WR corps do against South Carolina last year? They were shut down! End of story.
    Clemson has padded stats because they play ACC teams.

    CousinEddie

  • Guys i found NOva noles

    This post was edited by jmsmooth33 on 11/7/2012 at 9:42 AM

    attachment

    jmsmooth33 ●

  • NoVaNoles said...

    No but acting like Lee is that much better than Watkins isn't fair, and might not even be true

    Lee has the better QB and gets the ball more in the pass game, both are elite

    No corner wants any part of either of them, Hopkins or Woods either

    Saying Lee is hands down the best player in america is just a USCw fan hanging on to whatever he can say to make him feel good, like you assholes are known for

    There are all kinds of players that belong in the discussion and there is no telling if Lee will have the best NFL career at WR or overall

    Ay yi yi. There's nothing "fair" about it. Lee is the best college football player in America. Hands down. If you are willing to concede that SC is in the running for best offense, you also have to come to terms with the fact that Lee consists of 80% of it.

    On every conceivable level, as a football player, Lee is better than Watkins. Right now. To suggest otherwise is insane. We can't make judgements based on who might be better in the NFL, we can only base them on what we can see today. But given that Lee meets all the physical metrics of an NFL WR there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be better at the next level either.

    brem22

  • jmsmooth33 said...

    Guys i found NOva noles

    Nah. That's Jeff4SC without his Klan robes.

    brem22

  • brem22 said...

    Ay yi yi. There's nothing "fair" about it. Lee is the best college football player in America. Hands down. If you are willing to concede that SC is in the running for best offense, you also have to come to terms with the fact that Lee consists of 80% of it.

    On every conceivable level, as a football player, Lee is better than Watkins. Right now. To suggest otherwise is insane. We can't make judgements based on who might be better in the NFL, we can only base them on what we can see today. But given that Lee meets all the physical metrics of an NFL WR there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be better at the next level either.

    I think that without a doubt, that if you take the top-20 or so teams, and tell the coaches that they could take one player from another team and add them to their roster, that Lee would be, by far the most chosen player.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

  • brem22 said...

    Ay yi yi. There's nothing "fair" about it. Lee is the best college football player in America. Hands down. If you are willing to concede that SC is in the running for best offense, you also have to come to terms with the fact that Lee consists of 80% of it.

    On every conceivable level, as a football player, Lee is better than Watkins. Right now. To suggest otherwise is insane. We can't make judgements based on who might be better in the NFL, we can only base them on what we can see today. But given that Lee meets all the physical metrics of an NFL WR there's no reason to believe he wouldn't be better at the next level either.

    What I see today is a number of WR's with Lee's ability, they just don't have the QB or play in the offense where they get 20 passes a game

    Lee is great, but a hands down best player in america ? please man

    There are very few who earn that title for me, Warrick, Bush, Harvin... Tebow and Young

    Lee is great, but he isn't on these guys levels where its just obvious

    This post was edited by NoVaNoles on 11/7/2012 at 3:15 PM

    signature image signature image signature image

    NoVaNoles ●

  • NoVaNoles said...

    What I see today is a number of WR's with Lee's ability, they just don't have the QB or play in the offense where they get 20 passes a game

    Lee is great, but a hands down best player in america ? please man

    There are very few who earn that title for me, Warrick, Bush, Harvin... Tebow and Young

    Lee is great, but he isn't on these guys levels where its just obvious

    I think you have not watched him enough. Lee is as elite as any of those guys. Harvin and Bush of course were better out of the backfield, but neither are as good outside.

    Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

    MJRuffalo

Football Recruiting
Basketball Recruiting
Features
Resources
Connect

247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports