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Over signing rule ?

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    lounge fly

    tired

  • Huburt said...

    34

    Sorry, can't fix stupid

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  • TheT12 said...

    It would be a big disadvantage if that many left and we didn't replace them.

    It's just a philosophical difference. The coaches that do it apparently are fine with telling a kid, hey sorry but you were just an insurance policy in case so in so didn't pan out, or sorry we mis-evaluated your talent level, you gotta transfer somewhere else.

    I can see why Saban yelled at reporters " you don't need to know about this stuff, the people don't need to know." Clearly Saban was worried that people would dig a little deeper on this issue and discover Saban's losing battle with integrity. Then, several Alabama players said they were forced into taking a medical hardship and it confirmed that Saban had stooped to the lowest level.

    I was hopeful that Kiffin would go the Saban route, considering what a scumbag Kiffin is according to tBB I figured he might go for it , just temporarily to make up for what the Nzaa did. But sadly, even Kiffin has too much integrity to stoop to Saban's level.
    Which is really low. Makes me wonder- any of you guys know if Saban is part-dwarf?

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Leppycole said...

    So basically a Try-out?

    If you are not good enough or get hurt you do not get a schollie?

    some of the things i read on a "football recruiting site" just makes me laugh out loud. its one of the sole reasons i subscribe.

    let me try & ease the sniffles some have over the term "oversigning".
    a) no one can over sign (25/85)
    b) every D1 team must abide by the exact same "basic math" system (25/85).

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Huburt said...

    2011 AU - 34 USCe - 37 Arky - 39

    The next year in 2012 Arky takes 29

    Every other recruiting website on the internet credits Auburn with signing 24 players in 2011 and that is how many players we signed. This site listed walk ons for some reason. At least that is the only thing I can figure out, because I dont even recognize 10 or 12 of the names this site claims Auburn signed in 2011

    This post was edited by aubie25 on 12/10/2012 at 6:58 PM

    aubie25

  • Oh yeah, Michigan has signed 87 recruits in the last 3 years according to this site. 25 last year, 27 in 2011, and 35 in 2010. Yet all you Big 1o freaks are up in here bitching about the SEC for some reason

    aubie25

  • Attrition happens at every school. If you sign 25 a year for 4 straight years, that's 100 players. Every major school "culls." Don't act like your school doesn't.

    AggieEsteban

  • This happens in every conference, but only the SEC gets called out by other fanbases because we win. Again, it's not how many a team "signs", but how many actually "sign and enroll".

    FYI, Michigan signed 94 recruits over a four year period ('09-'12). They have exactly 22 recruits this year to replace the 22 from '09.

    Bama signed seven more recruits than Michigan over that four year timespan. Did those seven recruits really make that big of a difference over four years? Also, in the last four years, Bama has had quite a few guys leave early for the NFL draft.

    For everyone that complains about oversigning, hit us all up when the SEC is "over-enrolling".

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  • USMCAG said...

    Sorry, can't fix stupid

    Can you show me the Math?

    After Tommie Sanders verbals that will be 35.

    You took 19 last year right? so 25 + 6 = 35??

    ?????

    This post was edited by Huburt on 12/10/2012 at 7:19 PM

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  • Huburt said...

    Can you show me the Math?

    After Tommie Sanders verbals that will be 35.

    You took 19 last year right? so 25 + 6 = 31

    ?????

    Sanders is unlikely to commit to us. Like I said, can't fix stupid.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    It's just a philosophical difference. The coaches that do it apparently are fine with telling a kid, hey sorry but you were just an insurance policy in case so in so didn't pan out, or sorry we mis-evaluated your talent level, you gotta transfer somewhere else.

    I can see why Saban yelled at reporters " you don't need to know about this stuff, the people don't need to know." Clearly Saban was worried that people would dig a little deeper on this issue and discover Saban's losing battle with integrity. Then, several Alabama players said they were forced into taking a medical hardship and it confirmed that Saban had stooped to the lowest level.

    I was hopeful that Kiffin would go the Saban route, considering what a scumbag Kiffin is according to tBB I figured he might go for it , just temporarily to make up for what the Nzaa did. But sadly, even Kiffin has too much integrity to stoop to Saban's level.
    Which is really low. Makes me wonder- any of you guys know if Saban is part-dwarf?

    Your 75= 7-5

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  • USMCAG said...

    Sanders is unlikely to commit to us. Like I said, can't fix stupid.

    So how does 34 work or even 33 or 32????

    Can you explain it to me ? Look I could be wrong but all your doing is calling me stupid instead of using your big boy words and showing me how I am wrong.

    The Midnight Yell: Breaking Down the Numbers in the Class of 2013

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    Huburt

  • Teams in every conference do it, so stop using it as an excuse.

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  • USMCAG said...

    Sanders is unlikely to commit to us. Like I said, can't fix stupid.

    "I also had a great time at Texas A&M. I enjoyed being around their coaches and players, too, and the stadium and all of their facilities are real nice. On my visit it was my first time being there and it was great to see their fan support on gameday. I just enjoyed everything about them."

    For the past few months, Sanders has put the Aggies on top of his favorites' list. Heading into his decision day, the Aggies still hold the edge with Sanders.

    "They are still standing at the top of my list," Sanders said. "But there are great things about all three schools. Texas A&M has been recruiting me for a long time and were one of the first schools that came at me. On my visit they didn't push me to commit and they knew I was going to make my decision on Dec. 12th and they were cool with that. I told them I had to weigh all my options first and they understand my situation."

    So how many can you take this class 34/34/35/36/37 ?

    Huburt

  • Huburt said...

    "I also had a great time at Texas A&M. I enjoyed being around their coaches and players, too, and the stadium and all of their facilities are real nice. On my visit it was my first time being there and it was great to see their fan support on gameday. I just enjoyed everything about them."

    For the past few months, Sanders has put the Aggies on top of his favorites' list. Heading into his decision day, the Aggies still hold the edge with Sanders.

    "They are still standing at the top of my list," Sanders said. "But there are great things about all three schools. Texas A&M has been recruiting me for a long time and were one of the first schools that came at me. On my visit they didn't push me to commit and they knew I was going to make my decision on Dec. 12th and they were cool with that. I told them I had to weigh all my options first and they understand my situation."

    So how many can you take this class 34/34/35/36/37 ?

    As many as we want, deal with it.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Teams in every conference do it, so stop using it as an excuse.

    I will agree with this to a certain extent. The only reason its a big issue is because the SEC is kicking ass. If the SEC was playing like the Big East no one would care.

    Although certain teams / conferences do it more.

    Huburt

  • USMCAG said...

    As many as we want, deal with it.

    LOL

    Get some facts man.

    Huburt

  • NcaaAssassinG13 spewed usual drivel...so i modified it
    " like dismiss players to simply take more"

    DT-Darrington Sentimore (starter at Tennessee)
    DT- Brandon Moore (starter at Texas*)
    CB-BJ Scott (starter at South Alabama)
    WR-Dez Hood (MLB)
    CB-Zo Lawrence (brain dead) yet invited to a NFL tryout a few yrs later.
    K/P-Cory Smith (starter WVU)

    1st to Woodson's question .
    the snag in the rule & where the term oversigning arose was when teams would sign NSD L.O.I's to 35 prospects with only room for 25, knowing 10 or more would never qualify. by allowing the kids to commit a team felt they had the best chance to actually sign the NQ'S after PS or a juco stint. "the new rule" eliminates the majority of that.

    now for those w/out a clue....(the new Weed Law will only make some even more delusional.)

    1. NSD L.O.I.'s are not signed scholarships
    2. the 25/ 85 rule is a basic math system that counts players on the roster during any fiscal year (Jan thru Dec).
    note: i would hope anyone that can read would understand that 4(yrs) x 25(per) =100 blank

    a few simple reasons why a team with 15 spots open this season would sign 20+ and yet still not "oversign".
    a) transfers seeking more PT
    b) misses their Mommy
    c) academic casualties
    d) medical hardship
    e) NFL early-entries

    and then there is prep early enrollees (back counters) but lets get through the ABC's 1st shall we.

    This post was edited by Crimson_Ghost on 12/10/2012 at 7:49 PM

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  • Huburt said...

    I will agree with this to a certain extent. The only reason its a big issue is because the SEC is kicking ass. If the SEC was playing like the Big East no one would care.

    Although certain teams / conferences do it more.

    Exactly, that's the only reason the SEC is getting called out. I find it quite hilarious. Hearing other conferences complain, because we aren't being fair and sharing our recruits is pathetic.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    It's just a philosophical difference. The coaches that do it apparently are fine with telling a kid, hey sorry but you were just an insurance policy in case so in so didn't pan out, or sorry we mis-evaluated your talent level, you gotta transfer somewhere else.

    I can see why Saban yelled at reporters " you don't need to know about this stuff, the people don't need to know." Clearly Saban was worried that people would dig a little deeper on this issue and discover Saban's losing battle with integrity. Then, several Alabama players said they were forced into taking a medical hardship and it confirmed that Saban had stooped to the lowest level.

    I was hopeful that Kiffin would go the Saban route, considering what a scumbag Kiffin is according to tBB I figured he might go for it , just temporarily to make up for what the Nzaa did. But sadly, even Kiffin has too much integrity to stoop to Saban's level. Which is really low. Makes me wonder- any of you guys know if Saban is part-dwarf?

    Good lord you're a loon if you believe what you just typed.

    PTCcock195

  • Huburt said...

    Can you show me the Math?

    After Tommie Sanders verbals that will be 35.

    You took 19 last year right? so 25 + 6 = 35??

    ?????

    verbals are nothing more than verbals...wait till NSD
    and as for "your math" ...its

    19 last year +6* = 25 last year(if they're early entries*) shrug

    This post was edited by Crimson_Ghost on 12/10/2012 at 8:17 PM

    Crimson_Ghost

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Taking Alabama as an example, people have been saying that they have only 9 Seniors this year. Let's just say all 9 are on scholarship, although maybe they aren't. Let's say Alabama currently has 85 on scholarship which is the max.

    Alabama has 19 commits so far. So unless Alabama expects 10 underclassmen to declare for the NFL draft, they are looking at over signing by 10. I would expect it to end up at around 5 after a little attrition, but 5 every year for 4 years is an entire class of 20 within a 4 year cycle. That's a big advantage.

    You may want to bark in your own backyard before you run down the street.

    WSU has signed 102 in the last four years. Don't really see many PAC 12 homers complaining about them, but I guess that's because they don't win right!?

    GTFO with all these excuses.

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  • Huburt said...

    Can you show me the Math?

    After Tommie Sanders verbals that will be 35.

    You took 19 last year right? so 25 + 6 = 35??

    ?????

    Several DNQ + midtermers. We officially signed 15 last year. We'll be bringing in 10 guys at midterm and signing 25 in February.

    AggieEsteban

  • AggieEsteban said...

    Several DNQ + midtermers. We officially signed 15 last year. We'll be bringing in 10 guys at midterm and signing 25 in February.

    Thanks, finally a reasonable answer.

    I thought the rule was you could only count a maximum of 6 EEs back to the last class but I will have to check on that. It might be a BIG thing.

    so 35 is your limit for this recruiting cycle.

    Huburt

  • AggieEsteban said...

    Several DNQ + midtermers. We officially signed 15 last year. We'll be bringing in 10 guys at midterm and signing 25 in February.

    http://www.themidnightyell.com/2012/06/breaking-down-numbers-in-class-of-2013.html

    This guy seems to disagree with you.

    Huburt