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Over signing rule ?

  • OHSethIO said...

    What research needs to be gone? Holes were found... that's all there is to it... there NO WAY someone should be able to sign 34 people in 1 class..... that's damn near 1/2 your team!

    I personally dont have an issue with it... do I think its unfair? yes, but lots of things are unfair in life. so screw it! Things will eventually work itself out (whether other conf raise the limit or whatever the case is).

    I know if I was in the SEC, I would do the EXACT same thing.... work EVERY advantage you can get! That's why they are the best, as much as I hate to say it.

    Dude its not that hard to realize. If a team dont have 85 kids on scholly, and didnt sign a full class the year before. They can sign more than 25 so long as some of the kids are EEs and will rollback to the previous class(numbers wise), you people are so dumb you act like A&M is gunna sign 34 kids EVERY year. Gets your facts straight. You are just jealious, the top recruits are flocking to the SEC are you cant stand it. Just admit it

    FSUcksFSUx0

  • FSUcksFSUx0 said...

    Dude its not that hard to realize. If a team dont have 85 kids on scholly, and didnt sign a full class the year before. They can sign more than 25 so long as some of the kids are EEs and will rollback to the previous class(numbers wise), you people are so dumb you act like A&M is gunna sign 34 kids EVERY year. Gets your facts straight. You are just jealious, the top recruits are flocking to the SEC are you cant stand it. Just admit it

    Lots of silly posts on this thread, but this one takes the cake! Well done, sir.

    VaHorn

  • coolstorybro said...

    no i have a realistic view. you sign a LOI for free schooling based on your ability to play football. that is the only reason a player gets a football scholarship. if the player isn't up to par a year later....drop him. He is free to go about any of the other means regular nonathletic students use to obtain free schooling. by being dropped from an athletic scholarship, the player isn't sentenced to never graduating.

    The whole notion that by being good at football in high school should somehow give a kid the right to an entire 4 year degree for free is stupid. this isn't kindergarten where every gets a pass.

    Like I said, you have an SEC mentality.

    getmyjive11 ●

  • FSUcksFSUx0 said...

    Dude its not that hard to realize. If a team dont have 85 kids on scholly, and didnt sign a full class the year before. They can sign more than 25 so long as some of the kids are EEs and will rollback to the previous class(numbers wise), you people are so dumb you act like A&M is gunna sign 34 kids EVERY year. Gets your facts straight. You are just jealious, the top recruits are flocking to the SEC are you cant stand it. Just admit it

    Ok, so how about this... they have 88 kids on the roster, 17 seniors/graduated, and 34 commits, so what does that equal? 105.... so they have to cut 20 people (not counting the juniors who go pro, and potential drop outs/transfer)

    LIKE I SAID, I'm not hating on them... they FOUND A LOOP HOLE! and I would do the exact same thing if I was them.

    This post was edited by OHSethIO on 12/12/2012 at 7:33 AM

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  • ducklefty said...

    So there's nothing wrong to you to accept 50 verbals but on LOI day only sending out 25 and telling the other 25 kids at that point to fvck off?

    No ethical problems involved there?

    I have no problem with it. This isn't confidential information. The recruit can come here for free and look at how many commits a team has. If the team has 49, and you are number 50, then on signing day they tell you sorry, you gonna blame the school because you were a complete dumbass?

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  • Oversigning is not just a SEC issue. The people who continue to try make it only a SEC issue are just jealous. Those people dont really deserve any

    I have looked up some old recruiting classes over the last decade and there are plenty of Big 12 teams, Pac 12 teams, and ACC teams who have oversigned during that time. However, nobody makes a big deal out of what those conferences do because they simply arent as successful as the SEC

    This post was edited by aubie25 on 12/12/2012 at 8:27 AM

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  • aubie25 said...

    Oversigning is not just a SEC issue. The people who continue to try make it only a SEC issue are just jealous. Those people dont really deserve any

    I have looked up some old recruiting classes over the last decade and there are plenty of Big 12 teams, Pac 12 teams, and ACC teams who have oversigned during that time. However, nobody makes a big deal out of what those conferences do because they simply arent as successful as the SEC

    It looks like it's mostly a Southern thing

    Players Signed 2008-2012 (The last 5 Years)
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Alabama 146/139 depending on the source
    Ole Miss 142
    Arkansas 139
    Auburn 134
    South Carolina 132
    Oklahoma St 132
    Miss State 130
    Florida St 126
    Kentucky 126
    Louisville 125
    Kansas St 124
    Washington 124
    LSU 123
    North Carolina 121
    =================
    Above 120 is quite a bit for 5 years considering that an avg of 21 puts you at 84 over 4 years,
    so over 5 years it would put you at 105 players (Add in the the usual attrition of a few each year
    and teams that stayed under 120 probably didn't over sign much)

    Arizona St 120
    Michigan 118
    Arizona 118
    Texas A&M 117
    Tennessee 116
    Oklahoma 116
    Oregon 116
    UCLA 116
    Ohio St 113
    Clemson 110
    Oregon St 110
    Georgia 108
    Missouri 108
    Florida 107
    Notre Dame 104
    Stanford 103
    USC 101
    Texas (somewhere around the 100-110 range but I don't have their numbers right now)

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    It looks like it's mostly a Southern thing

    Players Signed 2008-2012 (The last 5 Years) ---------------------------------------------------------- Alabama 146/139 depending on the source Ole Miss 142 Arkansas 139 Auburn 134 South Carolina 132 Oklahoma St 132 Miss State 130 Florida St 126 Kentucky 126 Louisville 125 Kansas St 124 Washington 124 LSU 123 North Carolina 121 ================= Above 120 is quite a bit for 5 years considering that an avg of 21 puts you at 84 over 4 years, so over 5 years it would put you at 105 players (Add in the the usual attrition of a few each year and teams that stayed under 120 probably didn't over sign much)

    Arizona St 120 Michigan 118 Arizona 118 Texas A&M 117 Tennessee 116 Oklahoma 116 Oregon 116 UCLA 116 Ohio St 113 Clemson 110 Oregon St 110 Georgia 108 Missouri 108 Florida 107 Notre Dame 104 Stanford 103 USC 101 Texas (somewhere around the 100-110 range but I don't have their numbers right now)

    No way... didn't see see Aubie's post? It's a problem everywhere... stop scapegoating with numbers and facts!!

    getmyjive11 ●

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    It looks like it's mostly a Southern thing

    Players Signed 2008-2012 (The last 5 Years) ---------------------------------------------------------- Alabama 146/139 depending on the source Ole Miss 142 Arkansas 139 Auburn 134 South Carolina 132 Oklahoma St 132 Miss State 130 Florida St 126 Kentucky 126 Louisville 125 Kansas St 124 Washington 124 LSU 123 North Carolina 121 ================= Above 120 is quite a bit for 5 years considering that an avg of 21 puts you at 84 over 4 years, so over 5 years it would put you at 105 players (Add in the the usual attrition of a few each year and teams that stayed under 120 probably didn't over sign much)

    Arizona St 120 Michigan 118 Arizona 118 Texas A&M 117 Tennessee 116 Oklahoma 116 Oregon 116 UCLA 116 Ohio St 113 Clemson 110 Oregon St 110 Georgia 108 Missouri 108 Florida 107 Notre Dame 104 Stanford 103 USC 101 Texas (somewhere around the 100-110 range but I don't have their numbers right now)

    From 2009-'12 recruiting classes, Bama has signed 103.

    2009: (Signed 28)
    Transfers (6) - Bowman, Marrow, Moore (transferred for Texas), Sentimore (suspended then transferred), P. Smith, Woodson
    NFL (3) - Carpenter, Dre K, T. Rich
    Medical (2) - K. Kelly, McKeller

    2010: (Signed 26)
    Failed to Qual (3) - Belue, Dial, A. Hill
    Transfers (4) - Carswell (suspended then transferred), C. Grant, Malone(suspended then transferred), P, Sims (Transferred to UVA)
    Grad/Other (2) - B. Lewis, J. Williams (baseball)
    NFL (1) - Menzie

    2011: (Signed 23)
    D. Carter (kicked off/transferred), Douglas (RIP)

    2012: (Signed 26)
    Dixon (transferred), B. Hill (JUCO)

    Out of the 103 signed, 25 are no longer on the team bringing the total to 78.

    We have seven guys that are fifth year SR's from the '08 class, bringing our total to 85.

    The tears on this board are so sweet.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    From 2009-'12 recruiting classes, Bama has signed 103.

    2009: (Signed 28)
    Transfers (6) - Bowman, Marrow, Moore (transferred for Texas), Sentimore (suspended then transferred), P. Smith, Woodson
    NFL (3) - Carpenter, Dre K, T. Rich
    Medical (2) - K. Kelly, McKeller

    2010: (Signed 26)
    Failed to Qual (3) - Belue, Dial, A. Hill
    Transfers (4) - Carswell (suspended then transferred), C. Grant, Malone(suspended then transferred), P, Sims (Transferred to UVA)
    Grad/Other (2) - B. Lewis, J. Williams (baseball)
    NFL (1) - Menzie

    2011: (Signed 23)
    D. Carter (kicked off/transferred), Douglas (RIP)

    2012: (Signed 26)
    Dixon (transferred), B. Hill (JUCO)

    Out of the 103 signed, 25 are no longer on the team bringing the total to 78.

    We have seven guys that are fifth year SR's from the '08 class, bringing our total to 85.

    The tears on this board are so sweet.

    Define "suspended then transferred", "other", and "did not qualify"

    Leppycole

  • Leppycole said...

    Define "suspended then transferred", "other", and "did not qualify"

    The guys I mentioned above as "suspended then transferred" were constantly getting in trouble. They would be suspended for a day or two, then back with the team. A week or two later, they were suspended once again. Saban gives the players a multiple chances to right their wrong's. In quite a few cases players have got out of his doghouse, but the one's I mentioned kept getting in trouble.

    As far as "other", I elaborated on that one. Williams went on to play baseball.

    If you don't know what DNQ means, then you don't belong on a recruiting message board. The guy never made it to campus due to grades.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    No way... didn't see see Aubie's post? It's a problem everywhere... stop scapegoating with numbers and facts!!

    The numbers dont reflect the numbers of players who actually got into school. Auburn had 22 players admitted in 2009, 21 in 2009, 30 players in 2010, 24 players in 2011, and 18 players in 2012. Four or five of the 30 players admitted in 2010 were jucos, so they only had two years of eligibility to start with. However, we wouldnt want actually facts to get in the way of your idiotic rants

    Auburn actually had around 115 players make it in to school during that time. This would be less than Michigan, Oregon, UCLA ,Oklahoma, and a bunch of other schools on that list assuming all their recruits made it into school

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by aubie25 on 12/12/2012 at 1:20 PM

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  • aubie25 said...

    The numbers dont reflect the numbers of players who actually got into school. Auburn had 21 players admitted in 2009, 30 players in 2010, 24 players in 2011, and 18 players in 2012. Four or five of the 30 players admitted in 2010 were jucos, so they only had two years of eligibility to start with. However, we wouldnt want actually facts to get in the way of your idiotic rants

    Yes, that's the point! The Big Ten schools don't sign 10 players that are questionable academically knowing that most will not make it. But hey, if one does, that low-three star kid who didn't even get on the field yet to prove himself and GTFO. What, he already moved into his dorm? Too bad! SEC baby!

    getmyjive11 ●

  • getmyjive11 said...

    Yes, that's the point! The Big Ten schools don't sign 10 players that are questionable academically knowing that most will not make it. But hey, if one does, that low-three star kid who didn't even get on the field yet to prove himself and GTFO. What, he already moved into his dorm? Too bad! SEC baby!

    I don't think kids with bad grades make it on campus. I'm pretty sure they know ahead of time whether or not they have to go JUCO.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    Yes, that's the point! The Big Ten schools don't sign 10 players that are questionable academically knowing that most will not make it. But hey, if one does, that low-three star kid who didn't even get on the field yet to prove himself and GTFO. What, he already moved into his dorm? Too bad! SEC baby!

    A ton of butthurt in this post.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    Yes, that's the point! The Big Ten schools don't sign 10 players that are questionable academically knowing that most will not make it. But hey, if one does, that low-three star kid who didn't even get on the field yet to prove himself and GTFO. What, he already moved into his dorm? Too bad! SEC baby!

    Big 10 schools just cover up little boys being raped in the shower. Of course, this isnt as bad as signing kids who are borderline academically lol

    aubie25

  • aubie25 said...

    Big 10 schools just cover up little boys being raped in the shower. Of course, this isnt as bad as signing kids who are borderline academically lol

    Do you know how I know I won an argument? When the person I am arguing with has to pull out a Sandusky reference.

    Thanks bro.

    getmyjive11 ●

  • Yet Michigan signed 118 kids during this time, which is 33 kids over the 85 scholarship limit. Ohio State signed 113 kids during this time, which is 28 kids over the 85 scholarship limit. What happened to all of those extra kids?

    aubie25

  • getmyjive11 said...

    Do you know how I know I won an argument? When the person I am arguing with has to pull out a Sandusky reference.

    Thanks bro.

    Nah. That's just aubie. HeShe will flame you no matter what you say.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I don't think kids with bad grades make it on campus. I'm pretty sure they know ahead of time whether or not they have to go JUCO.

    There are a ton of borderline kids who get signed and are questionable right up to the 11th hour.

    getmyjive11 ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Nah. That's just aubie. HeShe will flame you no matter what you say.

    Is it a flame? I haven't been bothered by that for almost a year now.

    getmyjive11 ●

  • getmyjive11 said...

    There are a ton of borderline kids who get signed and are questionable right up to the 11th hour.

    I said "make it on campus". Those are two completely different things. There is plenty of time to figure our whether they qualify or not.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    Is it a flame? I haven't been bothered by that for almost a year now.

    It is for HimHer. HeShe thinks that stuff from 2007 still bothers us. lol

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Nah. That's just aubie. HeShe will flame you no matter what you say.

    Like this entire thread isnt basically a flame. You have a few idiots ranting on about the SEC oversigning, but they just ignore how teams in their own conference do the same thing Big 10 fans want to get on their soapbox about not oversigning. How dare me pointing out they do things a lot worse

    aubie25

  • aubie25 said...

    Like this entire thread isnt basically a flame. You have a few idiots ranting on about the SEC oversigning, but they just ignore how teams in their own conference do the same thing Big 10 fans want to get on their soapbox about not oversigning. How dare me pointing out they do things a lot worse

    Word.

    Oregon State is one of the worst offenders, yet I don't see them dominating the PAC12, nor being called out. Odd. coffee

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