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MrWoodson said...
Fine. And that's probably largely true. But the same can be said for every high profile coach in the country. If administrators were able to do their jobs properly, you wouldn't have as many Pete Carrolls and Jim Tressels and Bobby Knights. But this is not unique to PSU. It applies equally at Florida and Bama and Texas.
Of course, that is really the big story here. JoePa was held up to the world as different and the evidence is going to show that in this regard he wasn't. He was the king in Happy Valley and he protected his players just like every other coach. But it has nothing to do with child molestation. It's a huge leap in logic from JoePa protecting his players the way all other coaches do and JoePa conspiring to cover up what Sandusky was doing. That's where people are going off the rails with no evidence.
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aubie25 said...
My dad was actually born and raised in Pennslyvania, so I know firsthand Penn State held themselves up as being different than other schools and their fans would often be the first ones to criticize other schools when they had problems. Joe Pa himself even criticized other coaches when they had problems. You have to excuse me if I dont have much sympathy for the criticism they are receiving now that it has been revealed that they arent much different than other schools and quite possibly worse in a lot of cases
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psubills62 said...
OSU team site, huh? That should tell you all you need to know.
The "ring" rumors appeared a long time ago and nothing came of it.
Apparently Mario Lemieux and Lavar Arrington know all about this and have no problem passing it on at a casual golf tournament? OK, sure.
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RATT said...
Like I said,
It seemed WAY to out there to be true. I just found it ironic that someone emailed this to me after I asked this question. I actually have seen that OSU fans have jumped out of the woodworks more than anyone else during this whole fiasco.
Again, not saying that it was true or I believed it but it's an interesting read nonetheless.
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RATT said...
Like I said,
It seemed WAY to out there to be true. I just found it ironic that someone emailed this to me after I asked this question. I actually have seen that OSU fans have jumped out of the woodworks more than anyone else during this whole fiasco.
Again, not saying that it was true or I believed it but it's an interesting read nonetheless.
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shavisimo2 said...
Well if that's true, the ESPN story saying "A source who has reviewed all the early 2001 emails said the few that have been leaked 'are definitely out of context. We think the one that was released was the worst one for everybody'" wouldn't have been close to correct.
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RATT said...
I'm still curious as to what this "report" coming out is going to entail. I literally just heard about it early this morning on the ESPN bottomline. It hinted that it was going to be bad for Paterno but I have no idea what it's supposedly going to say or prove.
I was honestly just curious to see if PSU fans had any idea of what to expect.
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I'm still curious as to what this "report" coming out is going to entail. I literally just heard about it early this morning on the ESPN bottomline. It hinted that it was going to be bad for Paterno but I have no idea what it's supposedly going to say or prove.
I was honestly just curious to see if PSU fans had any idea of what to expect.
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I'm still curious as to what this "report" coming out is going to entail. I literally just heard about it early this morning on the ESPN bottomline. It hinted that it was going to be bad for Paterno but I have no idea what it's supposedly going to say or prove.
I was honestly just curious to see if PSU fans had any idea of what to expect.
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shavisimo2 said...
Wait, disregard my last post. Didn't realize Louis Freeh was posting on the board already.
Why can't you just wait a couple weeks till it comes out? I do think that's likely what the report will say, but why pawn it off as fact when you can just wait a few weeks?
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Wait, disregard my last post. Didn't realize Louis Freeh was posting on the board already.
Why can't you just wait a couple weeks till it comes out? I do think that's likely what the report will say, but why pawn it off as fact when you can just wait a few weeks?
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psubills62 said...
You can argue either way - that it will be bad for Paterno, or that it won't be real bad. Usually the latter argument says that the leaks are meant to be controversial and thus they're the worst ones. And frankly, those emails really aren't that bad, unless people make a lot of assumptions that aren't inherent in the text of the emails.
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MsnBama said...
Something tells me that no matter what those emails contain, you aren't going to believe it unless it comes with a notarized letter from Paterno himself.
The quote that disappeared was "After speaking with Joe..."
How does that get taken out of context? Curley spoke with Joe Paterno and Joe Paterno advised him of doing something different than had already been decided. If it wasn't Paterno, why would Curley change his mind?
It doesn't make sense any other way than Paterno told Curley not to follow through with the original plan.
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I think that's most likely what happened, but I'll give you an alternative:
Curley sets up what to do after talking to Joe the first time. Then Curley calls Joe a few days later when deciding what his course of action would be and says "Joe, tell me one more time, what exactly did McQueary say to you." Joe says "he said he thinks he saw something sexual with a boy." (that was McQueary and Joe's testimony, so I'm going off that). Curley then rethinks it and goes "Hmm, we're not exactly sure what happened, let's not go to the police yet and let's talk to Sandusky first."
I agree, this is probably not likely, but it's certainly one possible way that this could be out of context. I'm very happy to find out more of this email trail and see what they did know. I just want the damn truth at this point instead of crap single sentence leaks that are overscrutinized. Hopefully we hear everything.
As for the "no PSU fans will believe it without a notarized letter," that's probably not true. Many will, some won't. But if the report said "nothing to see here" (which it won't), how many people outside of PSU would have said "That's made up crap to sweep it further under the rug." Probably a similar percentage to how many PSU fans wouldn't believe some of the report. It works both ways.
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For what it's worth, I didn't say all PSU fans will deny what is presented in the Freeh report, but there are some who will refuse to believe anything negative about their beloved coach and program. Some will ALWAYS say "Well since Paterno can't speak for himself...." no matter what evidence is presented. Unfortunately, we couldn't believe him if he were speaking for himself though, we can't believe ANY of them.
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You and I both know Curley was going to do whatever Paterno told him to do, the man has all but admitted to worshiping Paterno. Hell, some of us with ZERO connection to your alma mater held a tremendous amount of respect for Paterno, including myself. I hated seeing the lynch mobs at the beginning of this but it's at a point now where it's so much smoke you can no longer ignore there was a serious problem in Happy Valley. Paterno was worshiped and like it or not, what Paterno wanted Paterno got. I cannot logically conclude that Curley did anything other than seek Paternos counsel and Paterno advised him to do what he ultimately did.
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