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PSU fans? Regarding some report coming out

  • the point was that Paterno was always involved in anything regarding the football program. This impacted the football program. So you can bet your sweet ass Paterno was involved. The mountain of evidence albeit circumstantial is becoming overwhelming that PSU fans god was a man with some major narcissistic flaws in his personality and was more concerned about protecting the football program and his friends than what happened to little boys buttholes on his campus, in his athletic building, in his locker room.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Fine. And that's probably largely true. But the same can be said for every high profile coach in the country. If administrators were able to do their jobs properly, you wouldn't have as many Pete Carrolls and Jim Tressels and Bobby Knights. But this is not unique to PSU. It applies equally at Florida and Bama and Texas.

    Of course, that is really the big story here. JoePa was held up to the world as different and the evidence is going to show that in this regard he wasn't. He was the king in Happy Valley and he protected his players just like every other coach. But it has nothing to do with child molestation. It's a huge leap in logic from JoePa protecting his players the way all other coaches do and JoePa conspiring to cover up what Sandusky was doing. That's where people are going off the rails with no evidence.

    My dad was actually born and raised in Pennslyvania, so I know firsthand Penn State held themselves up as being different than other schools and their fans would often be the first ones to criticize other schools when they had problems. Joe Pa himself even criticized other coaches when they had problems. You have to excuse me if I dont have much sympathy for the criticism they are receiving now that it has been revealed that they arent much different than other schools and quite possibly worse in a lot of cases

    This post was edited by aubie25 on 7/7/2012 at 3:58 PM

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  • aubie25 said...

    My dad was actually born and raised in Pennslyvania, so I know firsthand Penn State held themselves up as being different than other schools and their fans would often be the first ones to criticize other schools when they had problems. Joe Pa himself even criticized other coaches when they had problems. You have to excuse me if I dont have much sympathy for the criticism they are receiving now that it has been revealed that they arent much different than other schools and quite possibly worse in a lot of cases

    I think there are plenty of cases where PSU was the same, maybe worse than other programs. But there are some aspects where PSU did hold the student athletes to a higher standard, particularly attending classes and keeping grades up.

    By the way, it hasn't yet been revealed that PSU is "quite possibly worse" - it's only been implied.

    And I have a hard time believing you wouldn't find a bunch of skeletons in the closets of other schools if you open them up to investigation like PSU is doing.

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  • Okay someone just emailed this to me and it very well and more than likely is false. Still this came from another teams website and was not written by myself or the person that emailed this to me. If this is true though, SHOCKED. Email follows:

    Nominate | Report
    Posted: Today 12:31 AM
    HUGE Sandusky news Looming

    Okay this story is about to get VERY DEEP.....

    One of my good friends who also works in the sport industry has a Dad who was a PGA golfer...Over the weekend he went to a function in Pittsburgh that featured former athletes and also many high ranking political and business leaders from Pennsylvania. Some names in attendance included Mario Lemieux.... and many Penn Staters including LaVar Arrington...so there were many filled in members of the sporting world... along with both politicians and attorneys.

    According to MANY in attendance the situation is about to get a whole lot worse. The story from those on the inside was repeated exactly the same by multiple sources....okay here it goes.....

    Jerry Sandusky was simply a pawn in a much much deeper scheme... Sandusky was actually running a child porn ring and many of the shower incidents were filmed (and get this apparently the tapes have been found) ....But there is more than what was allegedly leaked last week about this ( that report seemed to disappear as quick as it surfaced)

    BUT WHO WAS HE RUNNING IT FOR....??

    Well apparently he was running it for the Mafia in Philadelphia and this is why we have heard that the FBI is getting involved. Apparently there is a money trail both outgoing and incoming from Members of the Mafia and Sandusky directly to big time Penn State Boosters in which the money was funneled back into the program. Sandusky was apparently involved in some shady business deals with boosters and he would give them large sums of money (that was actually kickback money from the Mob) Apparently some boosters were actually filled in on what was going on but would not rat things out because they were fearful of the Mob and some others did not know but continued to funnel money into PSU from Sandusky.

    And the final kicker... the DA that was/is missing.... well apparently a source is going to step forward that has knowledge that he was working on a case that was going to bring down members of the Mob as well as Sandusky and implicate JoPa had knowledge of what was going on way back in 2004.... then all of a sudden just 1 month before he had the case prepared he turned up missing...take a guess on who was responsible there??? Sure sounds like he got knocked off in order to save PSU and the mob

    (Stolen from OSU team site)

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  • OSU team site, huh? That should tell you all you need to know.

    The "ring" rumors appeared a long time ago and nothing came of it.

    Apparently Mario Lemieux and Lavar Arrington know all about this and have no problem passing it on at a casual golf tournament? lol OK, sure.

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  • psubills62 said...

    OSU team site, huh? That should tell you all you need to know.

    The "ring" rumors appeared a long time ago and nothing came of it.

    Apparently Mario Lemieux and Lavar Arrington know all about this and have no problem passing it on at a casual golf tournament? OK, sure.

    Like I said,

    It seemed WAY to out there to be true. I just found it ironic that someone emailed this to me after I asked this question. I actually have seen that OSU fans have jumped out of the woodworks more than anyone else during this whole fiasco.

    Again, not saying that it was true or I believed it but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

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  • Lavar was on vacation last week, so I doubt he was in Pittsburgh, but who knows. That story is a whopper. Like Forrest Gump big... That being said, I doubt that story highly. If it was true, I really don't know what I'd do. That's a sick story, I don't know why some people would make that crap up. Just gross.

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  • RATT said...

    Like I said,

    It seemed WAY to out there to be true. I just found it ironic that someone emailed this to me after I asked this question. I actually have seen that OSU fans have jumped out of the woodworks more than anyone else during this whole fiasco.

    Again, not saying that it was true or I believed it but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

    Yeah, I saw that you put that. I'm just amused overall by the conspiracy theory.

    There's a very clear agenda by several fan groups. Maryland, Pitt, and OSU in particular. Don't mind them.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Yeah, I saw that you put that. I'm just amused overall by the conspiracy theory.

    There's a very clear agenda by several fan groups. Maryland, Pitt, and OSU in particular. Don't mind them.

    On a completely different note,

    I'm looking forward to seeing what the Bills are going to do this year. With a year under Dareus' belt and the pickup of Mario Williams, I think the Bills are about ready to make some serious noise.

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  • RATT said...

    Like I said,

    It seemed WAY to out there to be true. I just found it ironic that someone emailed this to me after I asked this question. I actually have seen that OSU fans have jumped out of the woodworks more than anyone else during this whole fiasco.

    Again, not saying that it was true or I believed it but it's an interesting read nonetheless.

    Well if that's true, the ESPN story saying "A source who has reviewed all the early 2001 emails said the few that have been leaked 'are definitely out of context. We think the one that was released was the worst one for everybody'" wouldn't have been close to correct.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Well if that's true, the ESPN story saying "A source who has reviewed all the early 2001 emails said the few that have been leaked 'are definitely out of context. We think the one that was released was the worst one for everybody'" wouldn't have been close to correct.

    I'm still curious as to what this "report" coming out is going to entail. I literally just heard about it early this morning on the ESPN bottomline. It hinted that it was going to be bad for Paterno but I have no idea what it's supposedly going to say or prove.

    I was honestly just curious to see if PSU fans had any idea of what to expect.

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  • RATT said...

    On a completely different note,

    I'm looking forward to seeing what the Bills are going to do this year. With a year under Dareus' belt and the pickup of Mario Williams, I think the Bills are about ready to make some serious noise.

    Absolutely. I've been trying to decide which DL I'm more excited to watch - Dareus, Mario Williams, or Kyle Williams.

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  • RATT said...

    I'm still curious as to what this "report" coming out is going to entail. I literally just heard about it early this morning on the ESPN bottomline. It hinted that it was going to be bad for Paterno but I have no idea what it's supposedly going to say or prove.

    I was honestly just curious to see if PSU fans had any idea of what to expect.

    I imagine it is going to come out Penn State had a lack of institutional checks and fostered an insular culture that allowed what happened to transpire.

    This post was edited by ErnieMcCracken on 7/7/2012 at 5:04 PM

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  • RATT said...

    I'm still curious as to what this "report" coming out is going to entail. I literally just heard about it early this morning on the ESPN bottomline. It hinted that it was going to be bad for Paterno but I have no idea what it's supposedly going to say or prove.

    I was honestly just curious to see if PSU fans had any idea of what to expect.

    You can argue either way - that it will be bad for Paterno, or that it won't be real bad. Usually the latter argument says that the leaks are meant to be controversial and thus they're the worst ones. And frankly, those emails really aren't that bad, unless people make a lot of assumptions that aren't inherent in the text of the emails.

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  • RATT said...

    I'm still curious as to what this "report" coming out is going to entail. I literally just heard about it early this morning on the ESPN bottomline. It hinted that it was going to be bad for Paterno but I have no idea what it's supposedly going to say or prove.

    I was honestly just curious to see if PSU fans had any idea of what to expect.

    Not really. I'm expecting it to show mostly email trails of information, but not sure what it will say in those. I'm guessing they'll find out a whole lot more of "who knew what and when" information. I'm sure it will be very in-depth and shed a whole lot more light on just how this was able to happen. And I'm very happy about that. I'm hoping that maybe it can help out some people in the future to prevent things like this happening again, at PSU or anywhere else.

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  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    It is going to come out Penn State had a lack of institutional checks and fostered an insular culture that allowed what happened to transpire.

    Wait, disregard my last post. Didn't realize Louis Freeh was posting on the board already.

    Why can't you just wait a couple weeks till it comes out? I do think that's likely what the report will say, but why pawn it off as fact when you can just wait a few weeks?

    This post was edited by shavisimo2 on 7/7/2012 at 5:01 PM

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Wait, disregard my last post. Didn't realize Louis Freeh was posting on the board already.

    Why can't you just wait a couple weeks till it comes out? I do think that's likely what the report will say, but why pawn it off as fact when you can just wait a few weeks?

    Wait...are you saying that opinions of random fans on message board...AREN'T FACT?

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Wait, disregard my last post. Didn't realize Louis Freeh was posting on the board already.

    Why can't you just wait a couple weeks till it comes out? I do think that's likely what the report will say, but why pawn it off as fact when you can just wait a few weeks?

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  • psubills62 said...

    Wait...are you saying that opinions of random fans on message board...AREN'T FACT?

    My opinions are fact, everyone else's suck. Get it right! crackwhip

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  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    See edit

    I appreciate it. I do think that's a very fair response.

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  • psubills62 said...

    You can argue either way - that it will be bad for Paterno, or that it won't be real bad. Usually the latter argument says that the leaks are meant to be controversial and thus they're the worst ones. And frankly, those emails really aren't that bad, unless people make a lot of assumptions that aren't inherent in the text of the emails.

    Something tells me that no matter what those emails contain, you aren't going to believe it unless it comes with a notarized letter from Paterno himself.

    The quote that disappeared started with "After speaking with Joe..." and followed along the lines of Curley no longer being comfortable with proceeding as previously planned (Confronting Sandusky, reporting to Second Mile and the authorities). I won't quote it because I can't remember verbatim, but I'm pretty close.

    How does that get taken out of context? Curley spoke with Joe Paterno and Joe Paterno advised him of doing something different than had already been decided. If it wasn't Paterno, why would Curley change his mind?

    It doesn't make sense any other way than Paterno told Curley not to follow through with the original plan.

    This post was edited by MsnBama on 7/7/2012 at 5:17 PM

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  • MsnBama said...

    Something tells me that no matter what those emails contain, you aren't going to believe it unless it comes with a notarized letter from Paterno himself.

    The quote that disappeared was "After speaking with Joe..."

    How does that get taken out of context? Curley spoke with Joe Paterno and Joe Paterno advised him of doing something different than had already been decided. If it wasn't Paterno, why would Curley change his mind?

    It doesn't make sense any other way than Paterno told Curley not to follow through with the original plan.

    I think that's most likely what happened, but I'll give you an alternative:

    Curley sets up what to do after talking to Joe the first time. Then Curley calls Joe a few days later when deciding what his course of action would be and says "Joe, tell me one more time, what exactly did McQueary say to you." Joe says "he said he thinks he saw something sexual with a boy." (that was McQueary and Joe's testimony, so I'm going off that). Curley then rethinks it and goes "Hmm, we're not exactly sure what happened, let's not go to the police yet and let's talk to Sandusky first."

    I agree, this is probably not likely, but it's certainly one possible way that this could be out of context. I'm very happy to find out more of this email trail and see what they did know. I just want the damn truth at this point instead of crap single sentence leaks that are overscrutinized. Hopefully we hear everything.

    As for the "no PSU fans will believe it without a notarized letter," that's probably not true. Many will, some won't. But if the report said "nothing to see here" (which it won't), how many people outside of PSU would have said "That's made up crap to sweep it further under the rug." Probably a similar percentage to how many PSU fans wouldn't believe some of the report. It works both ways.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    I think that's most likely what happened, but I'll give you an alternative:

    Curley sets up what to do after talking to Joe the first time. Then Curley calls Joe a few days later when deciding what his course of action would be and says "Joe, tell me one more time, what exactly did McQueary say to you." Joe says "he said he thinks he saw something sexual with a boy." (that was McQueary and Joe's testimony, so I'm going off that). Curley then rethinks it and goes "Hmm, we're not exactly sure what happened, let's not go to the police yet and let's talk to Sandusky first."

    I agree, this is probably not likely, but it's certainly one possible way that this could be out of context. I'm very happy to find out more of this email trail and see what they did know. I just want the damn truth at this point instead of crap single sentence leaks that are overscrutinized. Hopefully we hear everything.

    As for the "no PSU fans will believe it without a notarized letter," that's probably not true. Many will, some won't. But if the report said "nothing to see here" (which it won't), how many people outside of PSU would have said "That's made up crap to sweep it further under the rug." Probably a similar percentage to how many PSU fans wouldn't believe some of the report. It works both ways.

    You and I both know Curley was going to do whatever Paterno told him to do, the man has all but admitted to worshiping Paterno. Hell, some of us with ZERO connection to your alma mater held a tremendous amount of respect for Paterno, including myself. I hated seeing the lynch mobs at the beginning of this but it's at a point now where it's so much smoke you can no longer ignore there was a serious problem in Happy Valley. Paterno was worshiped and like it or not, what Paterno wanted Paterno got. I cannot logically conclude that Curley did anything other than seek Paternos counsel and Paterno advised him to do what he ultimately did.

    For what it's worth, I didn't say all PSU fans will deny what is presented in the Freeh report, but there are some who will refuse to believe anything negative about their beloved coach and program. Some will ALWAYS say "Well since Paterno can't speak for himself...." no matter what evidence is presented. Unfortunately, we couldn't believe him if he were speaking for himself though, we can't believe ANY of them.

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  • MsnBama said...

    For what it's worth, I didn't say all PSU fans will deny what is presented in the Freeh report, but there are some who will refuse to believe anything negative about their beloved coach and program. Some will ALWAYS say "Well since Paterno can't speak for himself...." no matter what evidence is presented. Unfortunately, we couldn't believe him if he were speaking for himself though, we can't believe ANY of them.

    I agree with this, just as some would say "it's all a lie and coverup" if the report went the other way and showed nobody knew (which it won't). Some people have their judgments made no matter what happens, and nothing will change that. The problem is many think those groups represent the majority on each side, which is simply false.

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  • MsnBama said...

    You and I both know Curley was going to do whatever Paterno told him to do, the man has all but admitted to worshiping Paterno. Hell, some of us with ZERO connection to your alma mater held a tremendous amount of respect for Paterno, including myself. I hated seeing the lynch mobs at the beginning of this but it's at a point now where it's so much smoke you can no longer ignore there was a serious problem in Happy Valley. Paterno was worshiped and like it or not, what Paterno wanted Paterno got. I cannot logically conclude that Curley did anything other than seek Paternos counsel and Paterno advised him to do what he ultimately did.

    As for this point, why speculate and infer all of that, when you can just wait to see everything, in proper context, in a few weeks. That, I do not understand. Accepting a small snippet and making judgments based on that when you know you can get a much fuller picture a few weeks later seems irresponsible to me.

    This post was edited by shavisimo2 on 7/7/2012 at 5:51 PM

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