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PTI guys on Clowney

  • UTK66 said...

    Gotta disagree. The one and done's are ruining college hoops and for football to follow the same blueprint would be a huge mistake.

    Oh I know it would lessen college football......But the point is, the NCAA/NFL shouldn't be allowed to tell a player he can't make money using his talents because he is too young. It's ridiculous.

    If there is a NFL team willing to pay someone, let them.

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  • coolstorybro said...

    Oh I know it would lessen college football......But the point is, the NCAA/NFL shouldn't be allowed to tell a player he can't make money using his talents because he is too young. It's ridiculous.

    If there is a NFL team willing to pay someone, let them.

    Its not that ridiculous, and as a country we should place a bigger emphasis on education in general

    I wish the NFL made you have a degree to enter, like many professions in this country

    Its a lot smarter for both the young men of this country, the leagues they play in and the future of the players lives

    Makes a lot more sense than giving 18 year olds boatloads of money and then watching a tragedy unfold which is exactly what happens more often than not

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    So he doesn't lose millions like Lattimore did.

    Sounds like a smart idea to me.

    I know I certainly couldn't fault him. If he takes a year off to simply train constantly, who can blame him? He risks the loss of millions of dollars every time he steps on the field, and what does he get in return? Practically nothing.

    Personally, I don't think the 3-year rule should be repealed, but I don't think anyone could really fault Clowney for wanting to protect himself. I hope, at the very least, that he has an insurance policy out on himself.

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  • MarylandDawg said...

    If he sits out , he won't get his ring for an 8 win season

    We all know why you don't want him to play. You are sick of him harassing Murray on every play. Haha

    BTW....JD Clowney hasn't been on an 8 win team

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    So he doesn't lose millions like Lattimore did.

    Sounds like a smart idea to me.

    Lattimore got hurt twice and is still gonna make millions. Might not get drafted as high, but he will be fine

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  • coolstorybro said...

    I think the point the original author was making is how stupid it is that he can't go pro right now.

    Clowney would be the #1 pick this year as a soph. And will definitely be #1 next year.

    Who is to say he can't get his money? If you are worth it, you should be able to get paid.

    The NFL is to say he can't get his money YET.

    You can't be president at age 34. Even if you are the most qualified person for the job.

    Companies also have the right to set requirements for job openings as they see fit. The NFL could require all players to have a bachelors degree... now that would be something.

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  • ElephanTideis said...

    Thoughts

    #1 Wilbon hates college football so his answer doesn't surprise me.

    #2 Think it would help push toward getting the three year rule removed if he did sit out. It is in place to keep teams from selecting players before they are ready and they wind up being busts. But yet we still have plenty of busts anyway. If a team wants to draft a guy who is one year removed, two years removed or fresh out of high school, let them. If the player busts then it's the team's fault for drafting him. Putting a one size fits all time frame on when a player will be ready for the league is not the way to do it. Clowney is ready now and we all know it.

    No, it's about player safety. Some cocky high school player or college frosh might think he could go to the pro's, but physically he is not ready. 99% of those players would be put at serious risk for injury.

    Sure, there are physical freaks like Clowney that come around every now and then, but it's rare. If the NFL makes a rule that would allow freshman or high school seniors to go pro, it would be good for the 1% of players that are physical freaks, but it would put the other 99% of idiots who think they are good enough for the NFL at risk for serious injuries.

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    Its not that ridiculous, and as a country we should place a bigger emphasis on education in general

    I wish the NFL made you have a degree to enter, like many professions in this country

    Its a lot smarter for both the young men of this country, the leagues they play in and the future of the players lives

    Makes a lot more sense than giving 18 year olds boatloads of money and then watching a tragedy unfold which is exactly what happens more often than not

    I am all for the rule. It makes college football better. But to think its helping any of these kids by not allowing them to leave is foolish I think. The ending to most of their stories is the same whether they have 1 more year of college or a ton of cash in thier pocket. Sad maybe ,but true

    Go bucky go

  • Clarkw267 said...

    The NFL is to say he can't get his money YET.

    You can't be president at age 34. Even if you are the most qualified person for the job.

    Companies also have the right to set requirements for job openings as they see fit. The NFL could require all players to have a bachelors degree... now that would be something.

    Now that would be interesting. I wonder what the NFL would look like and how many players they would have?

    Jeff4SC

  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    So he doesn't lose millions like Lattimore did.

    Sounds like a smart idea to me.

    If it's smart for him, why limit it to Clowney? Shouldn't every player with a shot at being a 1st round pick sit out? Maybe nobody should play college football that is any good.

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  • Go bucky go said...

    I am all for the rule. It makes college football better. But to think its helping any of these kids by not allowing them to leave is foolish I think. The ending to most of their stories is the same whether they have 1 more year of college or a ton of cash in thier pocket. Sad maybe ,but true

    Agreed, but at least try to give our youth some education even though the last thing these football players are getting is a real education in most cases

    I just look at what has done to the NBA, and it isn't a good thing imo

    The effect on college football would be bad, I would probably stop following the sport altogether

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  • ElephanTideis said...

    Thoughts

    #1 Wilbon hates college football so his answer doesn't surprise me.

    #2 Think it would help push toward getting the three year rule removed if he did sit out. It is in place to keep teams from selecting players before they are ready and they wind up being busts. But yet we still have plenty of busts anyway. If a team wants to draft a guy who is one year removed, two years removed or fresh out of high school, let them. If the player busts then it's the team's fault for drafting him. Putting a one size fits all time frame on when a player will be ready for the league is not the way to do it. Clowney is ready now and we all know it.

    The University makes an investment in the athlete, therefore they should have to stay the minimum of 3 years IMO. This is a two way street, don't forget that.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    The University makes an investment in the athlete, therefore they should have to stay the minimum of 3 years IMO.

    That is a terrible reason fwiw, the players are slaves and basically you are saying until the owner of the slave gets his money back or makes his profit, the slave isn't able to leave

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    That is a terrible reason fwiw, the players are slaves and basically you are saying until the owner of the slave gets his money back or makes his profit, the slave isn't able to leave

    Why is it a terrible reason? The Universities give these kids the world in return for playing time. An education, coaching (hopefully it's good), room, board, food, and even a stipend. The only thing they "don't get" is a "salary" in line with how much profit the University gains on their behalf, and maybe that's a discussion for another day. But what these guys get, even compared to the best of the academic scholarships, makes them campus royalty. And they can leave, just like I could leave before finishing my B.A.; I just can't go on and do what I'd planned to do if I'd had said B.A.

    We all talk like it's a business and this is simply a business decision IMO. The school gives you the above, you give them three years. Seems fair.

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    That is a terrible reason fwiw, the players are slaves and basically you are saying until the owner of the slave gets his money back or makes his profit, the slave isn't able to leave

    Then don't play.

    Go play in the CFL or train on you own. In college they have access to top notch coaching/training/facilities. Also these kids are getting a free education....Ask people who have a ton of student loan debt how valuable that is.

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    Then don't play.

    Go play in the CFL or train on you own. In college they have access to top notch coaching/training/facilities. Also these kids are getting a free education....Ask people who have a ton of student loan debt how valuable that is.

    roflmao

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    Then don't play.

    Go play in the CFL or train on you own. In college they have access to top notch coaching/training/facilities. Also these kids are getting a free education....Ask people who have a ton of student loan debt how valuable that is.

    People get hung up on the free education thing. That's a PC way of the Universities saying " you come play for us and let us use you for the universities benefit and in turn we will cover the monetary cost ". 95% of The universities benefit far more from a successful FB program than they do any academic accolades the school gets. They know that. On any given Saturday there is potentially millions of people that are exposed to the school name on tv. And on top of that the school gets paid to be on tv. It's like getting paid to run a 3 hour add for your school. Look at the enrollment numbers at schools that have been down in FB and then become good. The enrollment goes up as the success on the field goes up.

    Go bucky go

  • Go bucky go said...

    People get hung up on the free education thing. That's a PC way of the Universities saying " you come play for us and let us use you for the universities benefit and in turn we will cover the monetary cost ". 95% of The universities benefit far more from a successful FB program than they do any academic accolades the school gets. They know that. On any given Saturday there is potentially millions of people that are exposed to the school name on tv. And on top of that the school gets paid to be on tv. It's like getting paid to run a 3 hour add for your school. Look at the enrollment numbers at schools that have been down in FB and then become good. The enrollment goes up as the success on the field goes up.

    Hung up on it? That education can be worth anything from $20,000 a year to over $50,000 a year. Couple that with room, board, food, and generally a stipend (and the use of the facilities and coaching by the staff) and that's a helluva lot of money in return for playing football.

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  • Leppycole said...

    Clowney is the rare exception of a kid who could jump to the NFL after 2 years - some of you are crazy to suggest changing the 3- yr rule. NFL is a man's game - most 2-yr players would get destroyed coming out that early.

    For once. I agree with you. The mere suggestion of this is clownish (no pun intended). On top of that, if you're as good of a player as he is. how in the hell could you sit out for a year & watch everyone else play? I'm waaaayyyy too competitive to even consider sitting out my final year of college football, not too mention it would be one of the most selfish things you could do. NFL teams would be turned off despite his unbelievable talents. I'm not saying he would fall far, but I wouldn't draft a kid that pulled a stunt like this no matter how god damn good he was.

    This post was edited by ksredmill on 2/12/2013 at 10:53 AM

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Hung up on it? That education can be worth anything from $20,000 a year to over $50,000 a year. Couple that with room, board, food, and generally a stipend (and the use of the facilities and coaching by the staff) and that's a helluva lot of money in return for playing football.

    roflmao not compared to what they are making off of them, jesus some of you have no effin clue

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  • Go bucky go said...

    People get hung up on the free education thing. That's a PC way of the Universities saying " you come play for us and let us use you for the universities benefit and in turn we will cover the monetary cost ". 95% of The universities benefit far more from a successful FB program than they do any academic accolades the school gets. They know that. On any given Saturday there is potentially millions of people that are exposed to the school name on tv. And on top of that the school gets paid to be on tv. It's like getting paid to run a 3 hour add for your school. Look at the enrollment numbers at schools that have been down in FB and then become good. The enrollment goes up as the success on the field goes up.

    If they don't want to do it, they don't have to.

    It's that simple. There are hundreds of thousands of kids who grow up dreaming of playing a certain school that would gladly take their place.

    Like I said, the University is providing them with the platform and the tools they need to get to the NFL in addition to the free education.

    Also if kids would actually take advantage of the educational opportunities given to them, maybe you wouldn't see all of these stories about athletes going broke.....

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    roflmao not compared to what they are making off of them, jesus some of you have no effin clue

    I know what they make off of them. I just don't care. This is college football, an amateur sport. It's not the NFL D-League. Do you really want to go around giving college football players $250,000 contracts? These guys have inflated enough egos as it is.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    I know what they make off of them. I just don't care. This is college football, an amateur sport. It's not the NFL D-League. Do you really want to go around giving college football players $250,000 contracts? These guys have inflated enough egos as it is.

    No, I don't know what the right solution is

    But to act like these players aren't getting boned is just nuts

    And acting like an education is good enough payment doesn't cut the turkey imo

    Hell most of the degrees they get are total bullcrap, and I know a few employers that wouldn't hire a football player in most cases cause they know the degree was more than likely handed to them just for showing up to class and sleeping the entire time

    This post was edited by NoVaNoles on 2/12/2013 at 11:06 AM

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    If they don't want to do it, they don't have to.

    It's that simple. There are hundreds of thousands of kids who grow up dreaming of playing a certain school that would gladly take their place.

    Like I said, the University is providing them with the platform and the tools they need to get to the NFL in addition to the free education.

    Also if kids would actually take advantage of the educational opportunities given to them, maybe you wouldn't see all of these stories about athletes going broke.....

    The flip side of that is that athletic scholarships are renewable yearly. There are countless kids who sign at a school and 2 years into it haven't made the 2 deep and are "politely" told this isn't working you might be better off somewhere else. The school/coach has no problem showing them the door and replacing them with someone else. The idea of a 4 year scholarship will never fly because places like the SEC (no offense intended to any reading this) count on the over signing of kids as a means to stay at the top. You can't hold the kid to 1 expectation and let the school do as they see fit

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  • MarylandDawg said...

    If he sits out , he won't get his ring for an 8 win season

    that joke is so 2009

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