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Papa Johns laying off workers and reducing hours.

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Wait. Are they medical insurance providers?

    They being the companies?

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    psubills62

  • sf2k4 said...

    It's not about being right or wrong, it's about you being an asshole. It's about very one being assholes all the time. I mean good Lord, when did we all start to hate each other so much?

    When people voted in Obama that contributed so little to the tax base. It is quite funny to see liberal politics play out though. It's so simplistic.

    Derp, we need more money! Uhhhh... tax the uh, rich. Yeah tax the rich! Derp. Except the rich don't contribute that much in taxes. In fact, people that are at the bottom end of the socioeconomic latter pay a much, much higher percentage of their purchasing power on taxes. Why you ask? Well, there are different types of taxes and these morons tend to spend the highest portion of their money on things like McDonald's (prices rising, say goodbye to the $1 menu), cell phones, unnecessary luxuries like jewelry, and the list goes on.

    By increasing taxes on those that hold the investment power to drive business growth, you stall out the economy. By doing what seems very logical to the uneducated (taking money from those with lots of it), you end up hurting the very people that need it. Instead of charity donations, taxes on realized gains, and cutting a smaller percentage of a larger clip, you have democrats that want to tax a larger percentage of a smaller clip. The investors will simply protect their wealth. Ruh, roh.

    Human nature, brah.

    Harry Callahan

  • psubills62 said...

    They being the companies?

    Yea. You mentioned something about increased claims. I am just a little confused on the lack of details. That's all.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • Harry Callahan said...

    When people voted in Obama that contributed so little to the tax base. It is quite funny to see liberal politics play out though. It's so simplistic.

    Derp, we need more money! Uhhhh... tax the uh, rich. Yeah tax the rich! Derp. Except the rich don't contribute that much in taxes. In fact, people that are at the bottom end of the socioeconomic latter pay a much, much higher percentage of their purchasing power on taxes. Why you ask? Well, there are different types of taxes and these morons tend to spend the highest portion of their money on things like McDonald's (prices rising, say goodbye to the $1 menu), cell phones, unnecessary luxuries like jewelry, and the list goes on.

    By increasing taxes on those that hold the investment power to drive business growth, you stall out the economy. By doing what seems very logical to the uneducated (taking money from those with lots of it), you end up hurting the very people that need it. Instead of charity donations, taxes on realized gains, and cutting a smaller percentage of a larger clip, you have democrats that want to tax a larger percentage of a smaller clip. The investors will simply protect their wealth. Ruh, roh.

    Human nature, brah.

    Talk about simplistic. facepalm_msu

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Talk about simplistic. facepalm_msu

    It's literally happening right before our eyes. Do you choose to not accept it?

    Harry Callahan

  • sf2k4 said...

    Well I'll be honest, if I was the owner, I'd be providing as much health coverage as I could. But that's just my ideology when it comes to it. And in doing so, I would avoid the penalty, no?

    I didn't ask what your morals on it were. Which are commendable btw. Strictly from a buisness standpoint, you know what you'd do. We can debate what moral responsibility CEO's have to their employers all day. That doesn't matter. I don't think an employer has any moral responsibility other than a safe workplace and that's realistically how most buisness owners approach it. It's buisness. It's not personal. I have zero doubt that in 10 years we'll have full fledge national healthcare.

    This post was edited by DrStache on 11/16/2012 at 7:28 PM

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  • Yeah, but how good does the economy need to be anyway? We have to much stuff in America, and we are racist. If everybody would just do with less poor people could have healthcare...because that is what's important. Our entire government exist simply to support the precious poor.

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  • Harry Callahan said...

    It's literally happening right before our eyes. Do you choose to not accept it?

    Well seeing how we haven't had a decision made, I think it's a little premature to assume yet that they will increase given past compromises.

    You still just tried to compare and ckntrast and taxes and penalties on businesses to rates on income, despite mentioning capital gains rates.

    I'm just a little surprised someone with so much bravado would be so broad and poltical in their assertions.

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    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • Mr.Stache said...

    I didn't ask what your morals on it were. Which are commendable btw. Strictly from a buisness standpoint, you know what you'd do. We can debate what moral responsibility CEO's have to their employers all day. That doesn't matter. I don't think an employer has any moral responsibility other than a safe workplace and that's realistically how most buisness owners approach it. It's buisness. It's not personal. I have zero doubt that in 10 years we'll have full fledge national healthcare.

    Probably single-payer. As we should though. Not sure why we went through with this mess anyways.

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  • Mr.Stache said...

    I didn't ask what your morals on it were. Which are commendable btw. Strictly from a buisness standpoint, you know what you'd do. We can debate what moral responsibility CEO's have to their employers all day. That doesn't matter. I don't think an employer has any moral responsibility other than a safe workplace and that's realistically how most buisness owners approach it. It's buisness. It's not personal. I have zero doubt that in 10 years we'll have full fledge national healthcare.

    The rich won't, they'll still be able to have top of the line healthcare. The rest of the middle class and poor will be waiting in line like Europe. It will eventually work when the sickest start dying off though. It will start to suck when your loved ones have serious illness and won't receive the medical care they need.

    Harry Callahan

  • Mr.Stache said...

    What? When scientists say global warming has been happening for millions of years they're lying? Oh shit. Evolution.

    This is the response I would expect response from someone not intelligent enough to understand these sorts of things.

    hownowbrowncow

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Yet almost all small businesses qualify for tax credits and not tax increases...

    What tax credits are you talking about?

    Jagstyle ●

  • sullkev said...

    What tax credits are you talking about?

    Yeah, that's an entirely separate argument when you get into the various types of tax credits available and in what state the business is located. Not to mention the regulations involved and how each small business in each industry can qualify. Yikes.

    Harry Callahan

  • elmn12 said...

    This is the response I would expect response from someone not intelligent enough to understand these sorts of things.

    The sad part is you think I don't believe in global warming because I'm a conservative and think Obamacare is terrible. You probably also think I'm a bible thumping Christian because that's what Bill Meyer told you to think. I'm neither but that won't stop idiots like you from labeling.

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    DrStache

  • psubills62 said...

    I didn't get the details. My impression was that the talks he's been giving are what these companies will have to move to in the future, not what they're getting right now. More of a question and answer session for the employees and explaining to them why their deductible is increasing by a factor of ten.

    I do think part of the reason is a large increase in claims. Which aren't exactly going to go down when more and more people get health insurance.

    "Deductible is increasing to a factor of ten". NONSENSE. If your friend is a broker, I can understand his concerns. He will have one less thing to sell - Health Insurance. It makes total sense that he would be against a law that takes away his livelihood. He will also be the first to tell you that it wasn't that profitable to begin with.

    I doubt he would advise these same clients who buy other products from him with exaggerations.

    Jagstyle ●

  • Mr.Stache said...

    But you're not smart, it's not a cop out. Things can't be explained to people who aren't smart after a while. It's just best to nod my head and say ok. (Nods head) ok.

    lol Ok, buddy. Clearly my intelligence is the only reason you're not willing to provide support for your assertions. It has absolutely nothing to do with you being unable to actually provide an explanation for the sound-bytes you try to pass off as reasoned political stances.

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    CMXI

  • sullkev said...

    What tax credits are you talking about?

    Defrays cost of health insurance coverage depending on wage and firm size

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • CMXI said...

    Overbroad accusations with no evidentiary support aren't worth a thing. If you're going to make assertions, you should be able to support them.

    Hell, at this point I could say something like "Mr. Stache is still incredibly butthurt about the election." However, absent any sort of proof or evidence to support what I'm saying, I'm clearly just talking out my rear end.

    I'm sure you read the whole 2,000 page ACA bill our congress couldn't even read before they passed it. Fact is they had to pass it while they had the house & senate. This is something that should be bipartisan & time should be taken on it. This was slammed down our throat. Like nancy pelosi said "let's pass it to see what's in it". Makes me puke they pass a bill THEY haven't even read.

    lestat

  • Mr.Stache said...

    The sad part is you think I don't believe in global warming because I'm a conservative and think Obamacare is terrible. You probably also think I'm a bible thumping Christian because that's what Bill Meyer told you to think. I'm neither but that won't stop idiots like you from labeling.

    I was just being sarcastic in response to your sarcasm about people being unable to comprehend Obamacare. And even if you were a bible thumper you could still make a compelling case against Obamacare. Just because someone isn't familiar with a topic (or you don't agree with them) doesn't mean they have zero knowledge on all political topics.

    hownowbrowncow

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Defrays cost of health insurance coverage depending on wage and firm size

    Can you give an example of a small business (less than 50 employees) that would qualify for a tax credit?

    Jagstyle ●

  • elmn12 said...

    I was just being sarcastic in response to your sarcasm about people being unable to comprehend Obamacare. And even if you were a bible thumper you could still make a compelling case against Obamacare. Just because someone isn't familiar with a topic (or you don't agree with them) doesn't mean they have zero knowledge on all political topics.

    No, I've read his nonsense for a long time now. I can say with 100% certainty he's not smart. At all. On anything. Ever. Not once.

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    DrStache

  • lestat said...

    I'm sure you read the whole 2,000 page ACA bill our congress couldn't even read before they passed it. Fact is they had to pass it while they had the house & senate. This is something that should be bipartisan & time should be taken on it. This was slammed down our throat. Like nancy pelosi said "let's pass it to see what's in it". Makes me puke they pass a bill THEY haven't even read.

    So, have you read any part of the ACA?

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    CMXI

  • So lets summarize the discussion so far: most people are employed by small businesses. Most small businesses are exempt from coverage and if they do provide coverages they get a tax credit to defray costs (tax cut). Most large businesses already cover employers, so unless they choose to stop, they don't have to pay the penalty (and even if they do, people can now get subsidies if they qualify for individual coverage.

    So if you are low-wage, low-margin, medium to large size firms (like someone who owns a company that manages chains), you are effed.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • sullkev said...

    Can you give an example of a small business (less than 50 employees) that would qualify for a tax credit?

    Really?

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    So lets summarize the discussion so far: most people are employed by small businesses. Most small businesses are exempt from coverage and if they do provide coverages they get a tax credit to defray costs (tax cut). Most large businesses already cover employers, so unless they choose to stop, they don't have to pay the penalty (and even if they do, people can now get subsidies if they qualify for individual coverage.

    So if you are low-wage, low-margin, medium to large size firms (like someone who owns a company that manages chains), you are effed.

    Don't forget the part where it would be cheaper for large companies to pay the penalty rather than provide insurance. 2000+ whatever tax credit doesn't add up to what most pay per employee.

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    DrStache

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