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  • Sir Mix A Lot said...

    I always found his retirement oddshrug

    Not sure how old yall are, but it seemed weird at the time dude retiring at what 50-55

    This is from his Polanski's book, "Paterno":

    "In 1993, Paterno wrote what the family would sometimes call the “Why I Hate Jerry Sandusky Memo.” In it Paterno complained that Sandusky had stopped recruiting, seemed constantly distracted, had lost his energy for coaching, and was more interested in his charity, The Second Mile. “He would gripe about Jerry all the time,” one family member said."

    Paterno was fed up with Sandusky and wanted him gone for awhile. He finally told him that he would never be HC at Penn State because he spent too much time with his charity.

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  • Sir Mix A Lot said...

    I don't think this all happened because of that report. the sanctions and everything else came down due to travesty of moral character at PSU. IMO it was a coverup to protect PSU football irregardless of wethter Joe was part of it or not. The athletic director was involved. We've had this disussion before, and you're going to say Spanier despised footbally, etc. It is my opinion that this was covered up to protect football because PSU football was the biggerst driver of spirit and $$ at PSU, and it was protected at litterally all costs.

    The NCAA sanctions certainly happened because of the report. Emmert said that specifically.

    As for "protecting the image", if Joe Paterno hands over Sandusky, do you really think they would take a hit? Really? What would people be angry at PSU for.... doing the right thing? I just never understood that line of thinking.

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    The NCAA sanctions certainly happened because of the report. Emmert said that specifically.

    As for "protecting the image", if Joe Paterno hands over Sandusky, do you really think they would take a hit? Really? What would people be angry at PSU for.... doing the right thing? I just never understood that line of thinking.

    The sanctions didn't happen because of the report. If PSU hadn't hired Freeh, the NCAA would still have taken their pound of flesh. This was the biggest scandal of my lifetime in college athletics, the NCAA wasn't going to stand idly by and say they didn't have jusrisdiction.

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  • Sir Mix A Lot said...

    The sanctions didn't happen because of the report. If PSU hadn't hired Freeh, the NCAA would still have taken their pound of flesh. This was the biggest scandal of my lifetime in college athletics, the NCAA wasn't going to stand idly by and say they didn't have jusrisdiction.

    Up until the Freeh Report, those around PSU were hearing no sanctions.

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  • There is zero evidence of a coverup as it relates to the football program, and very little points toward a coverup in general. The lack of emails should be the first sign. Don't you think that people involved in a coverup would actually want to "cover up" and make sure things are kept quiet? The second is the general lack of concern over repercussions in any subsequent emails. The only concern they show is if Sandusky doesn't respond to a conversation. There's no concern about whether McQueary told anyone else about this (and he did - Dranov and his father). There's no concern about whether the child would tell anyone, like his parents. There's no mention of Penn State's image or the football program. Overall, none of them act like people who are covering anything up. There's no mention of an actual crime being committed. They act like people who heard that Sandusky may have crossed a line and they want to talk to him before it goes too far (to their knowledge). It's really not that difficult to see, and makes a lot of sense given what their actions were.

    I've already discussed other significant holes in the coverup theory in an earlier post.

    And from the sounds of it, one of the emails Freeh used as "evidence" was actually referring to the status of then-basketball coach Jerry Dunn (who was on the hot seat), not Sandusky.

    I haven't actually read the report from Sollers yet, so I won't comment on it, but I plan to do read it soon. I think anyone who is actually interested in finding out what actually happened would read it. I understand perfectly what Sue Paterno's motives might be. However, assuming everyone here has a brain, I'd think you could look at documents with a critical eye and judge for yourself whether or not their points actually make sense. Potential motives really doesn't make valid points invalid, nor vice versa.

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  • Sir Mix A Lot said...

    I always found his retirement oddshrug

    Not sure how old yall are, but it seemed weird at the time dude retiring at what 50-55

    so what that you found it odd, louis freeh didnt....

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  • Sir Mix A Lot said...

    The sanctions didn't happen because of the report. If PSU hadn't hired Freeh, the NCAA would still have taken their pound of flesh. This was the biggest scandal of my lifetime in college athletics, the NCAA wasn't going to stand idly by and say they didn't have jusrisdiction.

    As I stated, the NCAA sanctions were based solely on the Freeh report (per Mark Emmert). When the Freeh report linked Paterno to a coverup, that was the basis for them placing sanctions on the football program. So again, if Paterno was no involved in a coverup, what can the NCAA point at to punish specifically the football program? The most appropriate action (if any) would be a fine. And even that is highly questionable.

    getmyjive11

  • Jeff4SC said...

    Have you read the entire Freeh report? Probably not....so you saying I'm just throwing comments out there is really funny.

    Yes - every page in fact

    Here is another summary:

    Kovacevic: The Paternos' sad, squeaky reply | TribLIVE Mobile

    By Dejan Kovacevic — I went in with an open mind. Honestly. It felt like the right thing to do. If we were all melting down servers to download the Louis Freeh report a few months back and step through every sordid detail of the Penn State/Jerry Sandusky scandal, then it seemed fair — if still sickeningly distasteful — to revisit the matter Sunday through a new report commissioned by Joe Paterno’s family. In a letter to former Penn State football players last Friday, Sue Paterno, Joe’s widow, promised this report would offer “a persuasive critique of the Freeh report as a total disservice to victims of Sandusky and the cause of preventing child sex offenses.” Nothing wrong with that, I thought. Let’s hear it. And so, when the report was done downloading at around 9:30 a.m., all 238 pages, I began naturally with the cover page. “CRITIQUE OF THE FREEH REPORT: THE RUSH

    triblive.com

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  • Leppycole said...

    Yes - every page in fact

    Here is another summary:

    Funny, the author said that she went into it with an open mind but then stated later:

    "Candidly, I don't care what Freeh might have botched."

    lol Real impartial there.

    getmyjive11

  • She didn't go in with an open mind. It would take a complete retard to believe that.

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    She didn't go in with an open mind. It would take a complete retard to believe that.

    Regardless of what she believes, I laughed that she was dumb enough to invalidate her whole article with the line that I posted above.

    getmyjive11

  • Just listened to Jay Paterno on Mike and Mike. Golic went at him pretty hard and you could tell he was annoyed with Paterno rationalizing and justifying Joe and his superior's response to the report from McQueary. Paterno kept saying, "According to PA law at the time, Joe did what was required." Golic asked him, as a parent, if he thought in hindsight Joe and PSU did enough to help that kid, and the turd wouldn't even answer that question.

    I don't think what went on, cover-up or not, deserved sanctions. It wasn't a football issue. The sanctions were a reaction to the sensationlistic nature of what was being alleged. But listening to this guy refusing to concede that anybody did anything wrong, constantly pointing to the benefit of hindsight, is not something I want to hear on the radio.

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  • Fatarat said...

    Just listened to Jay Paterno on Mike and Mike. Golic went at him pretty hard and you could tell he was annoyed with Paterno rationalizing and justifying Joe and his superior's response to the report from McQueary. Paterno kept saying, "According to PA law at the time, Joe did what was required." Golic asked him, as a parent, if he thought in hindsight Joe and PSU did enough to help that kid, and the turd wouldn't even answer that question.

    I don't think what went on, cover-up or not, deserved sanctions. It wasn't a football issue. The sanctions were a reaction to the sensationlistic nature of what was being alleged. But listening to this guy refusing to concede that anybody did anything wrong, constantly pointing to the benefit of hindsight, is not something I want to hear on the radio.

    I recognize that it must be incredibly difficult to come to terms with the fact that your father (especially a guy held up as a paragon of virtue by an entire state) could possibly screw up a situation like Joe Paterno did, but seriously, the Paterno family just needs to stay out of the media. Nobody's changing their minds on this, regardless of how many interviews or new investigative reports come out.

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  • CMXI said...

    I recognize that it must be incredibly difficult to come to terms with the fact that your father (especially a guy held up as a paragon of virtue by an entire state) could possibly screw up a situation like Joe Paterno did, but seriously, the Paterno family just needs to stay out of the media. Nobody's changing their minds on this, regardless of how many interviews or new investigative reports come out.

    Nobody? shrug

    Phil Knight of Nike says Joe Paterno wronged by Freeh report - ESPN

    Nike co-founder Phil Knight said Monday that Joe Paterno was unfairly maligned by the unjustified and unsubstantiated findings of the Freeh Report.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Nobody? shrug

    Ok, I shouldn't speak in absolutes, but Phil Knight's been kind of a flip-flopper on this issue.

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  • CMXI said...

    I recognize that it must be incredibly difficult to come to terms with the fact that your father (especially a guy held up as a paragon of virtue by an entire state) could possibly screw up a situation like Joe Paterno did, but seriously, the Paterno family just needs to stay out of the media. Nobody's changing their minds on this, regardless of how many interviews or new investigative reports come out.

    I think that the issue at hand is whether Paterno covered this up or not. I myself have an issue with him not taking MM straight to police, but what he did is legal and "correct" per PA state law. So putting that to the side (since he followed proper protocal), did he cover this up? There isn't anything that points to that.

    Sooo... I'm not saying your mind should change, but this needs to be put in a perspective. If what he did was merely kick the information up to his superiors, that is not the most terrible thing in the world... not even close. It is disappointing, but not heinous. It was a very poor choice.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    I think that the issue at hand is whether Paterno covered this up or not. I myself have an issue with him not taking MM straight to police, but what he did is legal and "correct" per PA state law. So putting that to the side (since he followed proper protocal), did he cover this up? There isn't anything that points to that.

    Sooo... I'm not saying your mind should change, but this needs to be put in a perspective. If what he did was merely kick the information up to his superiors, that is not the most terrible thing in the world... not even close. It is disappointing, but not heinous. It was a very poor choice.

    "Cover up" becomes an issue of semantics though - I don't think anyone disputes that Paterno did all that was legally required of him, so we're not talking about any sort of legal definition. It comes down to a moral issue - if you believe that Paterno had a moral obligation to do more than he did, then you probably believe he "covered up" to an extent by not telling someone else about what he knew was going on. Alternatively, if you believe that he did all he was morally required to do, then you probably believe there wasn't any sort of cover up.

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  • CMXI said...

    Ok, I shouldn't speak in absolutes, but Phil Knight's been kind of a flip-flopper on this issue.

    You mean someone who took the time out to read the report and not become a sucker to national media sensationalism.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    I think that the issue at hand is whether Paterno covered this up or not. I myself have an issue with him not taking MM straight to police, but what he did is legal and "correct" per PA state law. So putting that to the side (since he followed proper protocal), did he cover this up? There isn't anything that points to that.

    Sooo... I'm not saying your mind should change, but this needs to be put in a perspective. If what he did was merely kick the information up to his superiors, that is not the most terrible thing in the world... not even close. It is disappointing, but not heinous. It was a very poor choice.

    Kicked it up the chain of command huh? It's amazing that prior to this scandal, Joe Paterno WAS Penn St. He was the most powerful, popular and revered man at that school and Penn St. fans would have had it no other way.
    Now....why Joe was just a football coach. Powerless really. What more could he do but tell his boss of an anal rape in the showers on campus?
    Who in Happy Valley would have listened to Joe Paterno anyway?

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  • CMXI said...

    "Cover up" becomes an issue of semantics though - I don't think anyone disputes that Paterno did all that was legally required of him, so we're not talking about any sort of legal definition. It comes down to a moral issue - if you believe that Paterno had a moral obligation to do more than he did, then you probably believe he "covered up" to an extent by not telling someone else about what he knew was going on. Alternatively, if you believe that he did all he was morally required to do, then you probably believe there wasn't any sort of cover up.

    Well, there is the rub. Morallity is ultimately subjective. Even your definition of a coverup is subjective.

    I think we can all agree that there has been no evidence that Paterno actively sought to conceal information. If he wanted, he could have just told MM to not worry about it and held the information to himself.

    It all comes down to what makes the most sense to you. To me, what makes the most sense (based off of his history of disdain for Sandusky and the lack of evidence pointing otherwise) is that Paterno simply did not want to deal with this situation. He didn't cover anything up, but he didn't want to spend a great deal of time over something that frankly was not his problem. He was not the witness nor the perp.

    Again, I am disappoitned that he decided to take the info to his bosses instead of the police, but since he followed state law, how upset should I be? That I am not sure. It seems, based on all the evidence, that I should be way more upset with Curley, Schultz and Spanier (Schultz in particular). McQueary as well since he witnessed the event. Joe Paterno is all below them, in terms of blame, IMO. Unless someone will find concrete evidence showing that Paterno actively conspired to cover this up, that is where I am at.

    getmyjive11

  • CMXI said...

    Ok, I shouldn't speak in absolutes, but Phil Knight's been kind of a flip-flopper on this issue.

    Maybe if more people used critical thinking and actually read the documents, there would be a lot more flip-floppers.

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  • NittanyEagles said...

    You mean someone who took the time out to read the report and not become a sucker to national media sensationalism.

    Please. Knight was a huge Paterno supporter, then turned on him after the Freeh report came out, and now he's back to supporting him. He changes his stance any time something even semi-authoritative comes out about the situation.

    Don't act like Phil Knight is somehow enlightened because he happens to agree with your personal view of the situation.

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  • Like we are supposed to believe that a report funded by the Paterno family is supposed to change our opinion completely? Nope... it will be many many years before the entire story is revealed.

    landonb85

  • cockfool said...

    Kicked it up the chain of command huh? It's amazing that prior to this scandal, Joe Paterno WAS Penn St. He was the most powerful, popular and revered man at that school and Penn St. fans would have had it no other way. Now....why Joe was just a football coach. Powerless really. What more could he do but tell his boss of an anal rape in the showers on campus? Who in Happy Valley would have listened to Joe Paterno anyway?

    First of all, he did not have that detailed description of what happened. That is an established fact that everyone agrees on. Secondly, the only reason you think that a 75 year old man had that much power at that time is because he is the only face you saw on TV. He was the only name you heard about. It's curious that people believe that he ran everything at PSU and in SC... he could barely run the football program at that point (and frankly, he was not doing a very good job at that point in his career).

    getmyjive11