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Penn State gets its punishment 9AM tomorrow

  • devidee said...

    @CharlesRobinson: Penn State penalty: multiple bowls, crippling scholarship losses & NCAA Prez is levying it w/ no in-house investigation

    I've said it the last 4-5 articles he's written, Charles Robinson has a source at the NCAA. If this is what he's saying, its going to happen.

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  • Jeff4USC said...

    Yea, lets just base it off of the accusations that Freeh made. How do we know that what he said is 100% true?

    Freeh is a former federal judge and head of the FBI. USC hired him to revamp their compliance dept.

    He is a straight as straight gets and would have no reason to make up anything. The facts are damning enough.

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  • Under Review said...

    Freeh is a former federal judge and head of the FBI. USC hired him to revamp their compliance dept.

    He is a straight as straight gets and would have no reason to make up anything. The facts are damning enough.

    So you are just ignoring that he has been investigated himself? I'm just curious

    Jeff4SC

  • Clarkw267 said...

    So the school presidents all agreed to let the NCAA hand down punishments for criminal behavior without having to go through the process laid out by the infractions committee?

    That would be pretty short-sighted if you ask me.

    The school presidents are the NCAA.

    banghead

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  • Jeff4USC said...

    So you are just ignoring that he has been investigated himself? I'm just curious

    Penn state ignored it when they hired him

    VTSmitty

  • THIS.

    Penn State penalties: NCAA credibility plunges ahead of announcement - NCAA Football - Sporting News

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-07-22/penn-state-ncaa-penalty-joe-paterno-jerry-sandusky-mark-emmert

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    THIS.

    absolutely.

    dpfenny

  • Clarkw267 said...

    THIS.

    The one sentence about Ohio State is inaccurate.

    The Sporting News is beyond awful.

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    devidee

  • devidee said...

    The one sentence about Ohio State is inaccurate.

    The Sporting News is beyond awful.

    Yeah. OK.

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    Clarkw267

  • Not that I like Schad, but if this is what a supposed "NCAA expert" is saying, this could get interesting.

    10m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
    Buckner: "The conduct of Penn State and its employees, no matter how egregious, is not a violation of an existing NCAA rule."

    11m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
    Buckner: "The NCAA is not adhering to its existing enforcement processes and procedures..."

    13m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
    Buckner: "The NCAA is treating Penn State differently than other schools that were involved in sexual assault scandals..."

    14m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
    "course of action...the issues facing Penn State are best left in the expert hands of the criminal and civil courts..."

    15m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe
    NCAA expert Michael Buckner: "If the media reports are true, then the NCAA has charted an unprecedented, and perhaps unconstitutional..."

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  • Its not going to get interesting, after what just happened do you really think PSU is in a position to go out and challenge or appeal stuff like this just further cementing that football sits above all at the university?

    BklynTerp

  • Buckner sounds like he has an agenda. Prob payed off.

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  • Status said...

    Buckner sounds like he has an agenda. Prob payed off.

    Or maybe a State Penn alum?

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  • Clarkw267 said...

    Not that I like Schad, but if this is what a supposed "NCAA expert" is saying, this could get interesting.

    10m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe Buckner: "The conduct of Penn State and its employees, no matter how egregious, is not a violation of an existing NCAA rule."

    11m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe Buckner: "The NCAA is not adhering to its existing enforcement processes and procedures..."

    13m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe Buckner: "The NCAA is treating Penn State differently than other schools that were involved in sexual assault scandals..."

    14m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe "course of action...the issues facing Penn State are best left in the expert hands of the criminal and civil courts..."

    15m Joe Schad ‏@schadjoe NCAA expert Michael Buckner: "If the media reports are true, then the NCAA has charted an unprecedented, and perhaps unconstitutional..."


    #1 Yes, there are rules and guidlines by the NCAA pertaining to morality and integrity

    #2 Yes, they 100% followed existing policy. The NCAA board voted that Emmert would have sole decision making authority on this. When the vote was done, and passed, it then became the existing policy.

    #3, What other schools covered up child rape for 13 years?

    #4. His opinion. Nobody cares.

    VTSmitty

  • VTSmitty said...

    #1 Yes, there are rules and guidlines by the NCAA pertaining to morality and integrity

    #2 Yes, they 100% followed existing policy. The NCAA board voted that Emmert would have sole decision making authority on this. When the vote was done, and passed, it then became the existing policy.

    #3, What other schools covered up child rape for 13 years?

    #4. His opinion. Nobody cares.

    He is a NCAA expert...unlike anyone on this board.

    http://michaelbucknerlaw.wordpress.com/

    According to ESPN and other media organizations, NCAA president Mark Emmert has elected to issue sanctions on Monday (July 23, 2012) against Pennsylvania State University, including a loss of scholarships and a multiple-year bowl ban. If the media reports are true, then the NCAA has charted an unprecedented, and perhaps unconstitutional, course of action. Federal and state courts have consistently held that membership organizations, including athletics associations like the NCAA, are required to provide procedures that protect their members against arbitrary and irrational action. Thus, an NCAA rule or decision cannot be applied unreasonably so that it creates different classes of schools. Accordingly, any NCAA sanction against Penn State at this stage may potentially violate federal and state notions of due and fair process for several reasons, including, but not limited to:
    1.The conduct of Penn State and its employees, no matter how egregious, is not a violation of an existing NCAA rule. In fact, according to available information, the NCAA has never interpreted, or issued sanctions under, existing rules to address only criminal violations (or the cover-up of criminal violations). Further, the NCAA has chosen to make criminal activity an NCAA rules-violation in limited circumstances (i.e., Bylaw 10.2 (Knowledge of Use of Banned Drugs) and Bylaw 31.2.3.4 (Banned Drugs))—and the activities described in the report by former FBI director Louis J. Freeh are not addressed in the NCAA Division I Manual.
    2.The NCAA did not establish and publish a process and procedure to address the issues relevant in Penn State’s case. Instead, the NCAA is utilizing an ad-hoc process that has not been explained fully to the membership or the public.
    3.The NCAA is not adhering to its existing enforcement processes and procedures.
    4.The NCAA is treating Penn State differently than other schools that were involved in sexual assault scandals or other serious criminal misconduct.
    5.The NCAA failed to provide Penn State: (a) a written notice of allegations; (b) an opportunity to respond to the notice of allegations; (c) a hearing before an NCAA infractions committee to address the allegations; and (d) a process for an appeal of NCAA findings and sanctions.

    As legal counsel for colleges and universities before NCAA committees, we are extremely concerned about the possible NCAA actions and urge the organization to comply with its existing processes and procedures to address the Penn State sexual abuse scandal. In addition, based on our review of the Freeh report, the issues facing Penn State are best left in the expert hands of the criminal and civil courts, the federal Departments of Justice and Education, the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the relevant accrediting agencies.

    The Michael L. Buckner Law Firm will issue a comprehensive statement on its blog (http://michaelbucknerlaw.wordpress.com/) after the NCAA announces the Penn State penalties.

    This post was edited by dpfenny on 7/22/2012 at 4:14 PM

    dpfenny

  • VTSmitty said...

    #1 Yes, there are rules and guidlines by the NCAA pertaining to morality and integrity

    #2 Yes, they 100% followed existing policy. The NCAA board voted that Emmert would have sole decision making authority on this. When the vote was done, and passed, it then became the existing policy.

    #3, What other schools covered up child rape for 13 years?

    #4. His opinion. Nobody cares.

    This to the max.

    It's plain and simple and I guarantee Emmert makes this clear: the precedent is set upon child molestation and rape.

    This isn't about some football player touching some sorority girl's boob.

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  • So is this Buckner guy Penn State's counsel?

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  • This is floating around as what the penalties will be...

    Bowl ban until 2015

    No scholarships for 2013

    Current roster allowed to transfer without penalty

    Clearing House to facilitate all transfers

    Transferring players will not count against scholarship numbers of acquiring teams

    Reduction off scholarships by 8 for 5 years beginning 2014

    Beginning of 2014 option to field team in Division 1AA or secondary sub division

    Records going back to 1998 will be vacated

    Financial

    This post was edited by devidee on 7/22/2012 at 4:20 PM

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  • devidee said...

    This is floating around as what the penalties will be...

    Bowl ban until 2015

    No scholarships for 2013

    Current roster allowed to transfer without penalty

    Clearing House to facilitate all transfers

    Transferring players will not count against scholarship numbers of acquiring teams

    Reduction off scholarships by 8 for 5 years beginning 2014

    Beginning of 2014 option to field team in Division 1AA or secondary sub division

    Records going back to 1998 will be vacated

    Financial

    Bowl ban till 2015 I could see

    No scholarshps for 2013... not fair to current players about to who came to Penn State for academics over football. Players should be allowed to stay on scholarship even if they no longer play football for PSU.

    Current Roster should be allowed to transfer with no penalty

    rolltide06

  • They are being gay on the Pedo state board and VIPing all their posts. I wanna see the metldown. horn

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  • devidee said...

    This is floating around as what the penalties will be...

    Bowl ban until 2015

    No scholarships for 2013

    Current roster allowed to transfer without penalty

    Clearing House to facilitate all transfers

    Transferring players will not count against scholarship numbers of acquiring teams

    Reduction off scholarships by 8 for 5 years beginning 2014

    Beginning of 2014 option to field team in Division 1AA or secondary sub division

    Records going back to 1998 will be vacated

    Financial

    I suppose any of these rumored sanctions are possible, but I bet they focus on financial aspects such as: All B10 money earmarked for PSU will go to some funds. If they're saying no scholarships for 2013 and then reduction of 40 over 5 years thereafter, they're basically bombing them back into the stone ages. They might as well go div 1aa, unless they need money, and I don't think they do as an institution.

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  • rolltide06 said...

    Bowl ban till 2015 I could see

    No scholarshps for 2013... not fair to current players about to who came to Penn State for academics over football. Players should be allowed to stay on scholarship even if they no longer play football for PSU.

    Current Roster should be allowed to transfer with no penalty

    I think he means players that stay at Penn State will keep their scholarships but they won't be allowed to give scholarships to incoming recruits.

    Sgeason56

  • Sgeason56 said...

    I think he means players that stay at Penn State will keep their scholarships but they won't be allowed to give scholarships to incoming recruits.

    That was my interpretation as well. Not sure though.

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  • Bowl Ban needs to be longer IYAM.

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  • Sgeason56 said...

    I think he means players that stay at Penn State will keep their scholarships but they won't be allowed to give scholarships to incoming recruits.

    But for all the scholarship players they'll lose, will they be able to use those schollies on incoming recruits?

    For example, if they have 70 non-seniors for next year they should have those 70 schollies to give. But if twenty of those guys transfer, would they still have 70 schollies (for 20 recruits?)

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