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I just don't get the "smug" they shouldn't be here stuff. ( not you personally so please take no offense)
This land was built by immigrants hands. Our ancestors are illegal immigrants. As a human being, not just an American, can you not see that? We are all inhabitants of a planet. Billions weren't lucky enough to be born here. These people didn't asked to be born. They just were. Why is another human not entitled to a wonderful life that other countries cant provide because they weren't born in the land of opportunity? These idiotic immigration laws need to be re-written to make sense. I'd rather live in a County full of immigrant workers than fat Americans with there hand out but the government. Won't change that so it's not a realistic possibility. What is a real possibility is rewriting laws that say I you work, pay taxes, you can stay and contribute to society. I just think saying, "Well you weren't born here so tough shit" is a little inhumane and sadistic, IMO.
Please know that I'm not singling you out, just my thoughts in general on how we can become a better people overall.
And again, the owner didn't break any laws. He's not dumb. he filed the required paperwork. Thats as far as his obligation carries. These so-called criminal immigrants did. By being here and working because of laws that make no sense.
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I just don't get the "smug" they shouldn't be here stuff. ( not you personally so please take no offense)
This land was built by immigrants hands. Our ancestors are illegal immigrants. As a human being, not just an American, can you not see that? We are all inhabitants of a planet. Billions weren't lucky enough to be born here. These people didn't asked to be born. They just were. Why is another human not entitled to a wonderful life that other countries cant provide because they weren't born in the land of opportunity? These idiotic immigration laws need to be re-written to make sense. I'd rather live in a County full of immigrant workers than fat Americans with there hand out but the government. Won't change that so it's not a realistic possibility. What is a real possibility is rewriting laws that say I you work, pay taxes, you can stay and contribute to society. I just think saying, "Well you weren't born here so tough shit" is a little inhumane and sadistic, IMO.
Please know that I'm not singling you out, just my thoughts in general on how we can become a better people overall.
And again, the owner didn't break any laws. He's not dumb. he filed the required paperwork. Thats as far as his obligation carries. These so-called criminal immigrants did. By being here and working because of laws that make no sense.
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Immigration reform shouldn't be a republican/democrat divide. It's a human being issue.
To the other poster, That's the point. We are wasting dollars on arresting working people when money could be spent on catching real criminals. It's no different than going after pot smokers when you could be catching meth dealers.
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The men who wrote those laws were a hell of a lot smarter than you. They make sense to people who have common sense. It is obvious you do not think of the big picture. Just me me me. Sad if u ask me..
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It won't be. It's simply America. Actually a Native country that's evolved. Then it was a British country. Then it was Irish Catholic immigrants and French. Then slaves were brought to build this country. Our generation is just a small blip on a large radar. Hardworking people should never be denied or cast out of this country. We wouldn't be where we are today if that was the attitude in the 1600 and 1700's.
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It was not a country when the Natives ruled the land. The country You and I know was built by Europeans and built based on a certain philosophy. The people you are wanting to displace us don't share that philosophy, and won't even be bothered to learn our language. This is not even to mention that we have unemployed people already here so bringing in more people does not make sense.
You are assuming assimilation also which isn't happening. This isn't the immigration of yore when immigrants assimilated, this is immigration in the age of liberal idiocy where immigrants not only don't assimilate, or even try, but are also encouraged not to. This isn't immigration at all, it's balkanization.
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Listen closely.....this thread was started to show that many Hispanics like the ones being deported, are Christian and speak English. They've been here for years. Their kids go to our schools. I'm not naive enough to think all should be allowed to stay because a lare portion are criminals but immigtion laws need to allow those that embrace our culture as their own should be able to stay and fulfill their dream. This is not only the right thing to do but the Christian thing to do.
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The vast majority don't assimilate, and since it's not possible to weed out the ones that do...get rid of all of them I say. I am tired of going to Wal-Mart and seeing signs advertising that Western Union is the best way to send money back to Latin America.
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Listen closely.....this thread was started to show that many Hispanics like the ones being deported, are Christian and speak English. They've been here for years. Their kids go to our schools. I'm not naive enough to think all should be allowed to stay because a lare portion are criminals but immigtion laws need to allow those that embrace our culture as their own should be able to stay and fulfill their dream. This is not only the right thing to do but the Christian thing to do.
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Yes by "building" a soccer field.........which entails having a piece of property big enough to play soccer on and......well nothing else. What exactly did he "build"?? A press box? Maybe some players locker rooms?
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He installed lights which were 3,000 a piece. There's probably 15 total. He bought professional goals at 1500.00 a piece. He had the whole field landscaped with sand underneath the grass. He installed a sprinkler system. All in all it probably cost him 35,000 to build.(just the field itself) He also gave them free reign to come and go on his property on the weekends with as many friends and family as they want to bring. He's a devout Christian and he lives it everyday of his life. He loves his fellow man. But he's a millionaire so inherently evil.
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They have. It's not a 1 year process like most think. I know several personally who have been In the process for 6 years. It's not as easy as the INS website makes it out to be. I'm going to bed so I won't get into all the red tape but its real. And many green cards expire before becoming a citizen.
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No..hes inherently evil because he got his millions by employing illegal aliens, and making his money off the fact they cant do or say anything about the fifty or sixty hour work week, or below minimum wage pay.
Money is not evil.....abusing other humans to get it and avoiding the law is what is evil.
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No..hes inherently evil because he got his millions by employing illegal aliens, and making his money off the fact they cant do or say anything about the fifty or sixty hour work week, or below minimum wage pay.
Money is not evil.....abusing other humans to get it and avoiding the law is what is evil.
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It's obvious at this point he can't read because I've said that from the very first post. What I'm saying is true and these folks are good people and they enjoy working for him. The owners "right-hand" man has been with him for 13 years. He started the process of citizenship in 2007. He didn't make the cut and will be deported very soon. He was arrested at his home, in front of his 2 children. His wife isn't a citizen but his kids are so she can stay. A good mans family is being ripped apart. The bread winner for that family will be deported back to Mexico. Who becomes the default breadwinners for his family? Us. Just a sad situation with no easy answers.
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