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Perfect example of what's wrong with today's government

  • y2kMgrad said...

    Do you think Obama should suspend all deportations of illegal immigrants who have committed no crimes in the US?

    As I've said, if they hold jobs, payroll taxes come out of their salary and have never been involved in a crime then yes.

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    DrStache

  • Mr.Stache said...

    It's obvious at this point he can't read because I've said that from the very first post. What I'm saying is true and these folks are good people and they enjoy working for him. The owners "right-hand" man has been with him for 13 years. He started the process of citizenship in 2007. He didn't make the cut and will be deported very soon. He was arrested at his home, in front of his 2 children. His wife isn't a citizen but his kids are so she can stay. A good mans family is being ripped apart. The bread winner for that family will be deported back to Mexico. Who becomes the default breadwinners for his family? Us. Just a sad situation with no easy answers.

    That is obviously not the answer to the illegal immigrant issue. I truly believe that if you are working and paying taxes that you should be allowed to stay. Funny thing is that most ardently opposed to immigrants believe that we will end up paying for them and their family. Well in this case we will because the primary bread winner is deported while the rest of the family can stay.....becoming tax payers responsibility. Sad thing is that by law anyone here illegally broke the law coming here, but being here is not illegal. Then you have families that are allowed to pay taxes being illegal, but can be deported anytime. That doesn't even make sense to me. Why in the world would you pay taxes when doing so would alert the government the you are here illegally? The issue is so convoluted.

    This post was edited by mtreber1 on 11/10/2012 at 1:08 AM

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    mtreber1

  • mtreber1 said...

    That is obviously not the answer to the illegal immigrant issue. I truly believe that if you are working and paying taxes that you should be allowed to stay. Funny thing is that most ardently opposed to immigrants believe that we will end up paying for them and their family. Well in this case we will because the primary bread winner is deported while the rest of the family can stay.....becoming tax payers responsibility. Sad thing is that by law anyone here illegally broke the law coming here, but being here is not illegal. Then you have families that are allowed to pay taxes being illegal, but can be deported anytime. That doesn't even make sense to me. Why in the world would you pay taxes when doing so would alert the government the you are here illegally? The issue is so convoluted.

    Indeed it is my friend. Men much smarter than I need to sit down one day and come up with immigration reform that's innovative and fair for all that's here now and those that want to come to America to have a better life and obey our laws.

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    DrStache

  • Mr.Stache said...

    Seriously. Can you read? Have you read this thread? Did you read the part where I said they are paid 10-15 dollars per hour? Did you read were i told you he pays them overtime? That's minimum wage? That's all any factories pay in rural county Georgia. That's a fact. Where did you come up with my friend is terrible to them? Why are you making that up? I've been 100% honest in everything I've said in this thread and you're desperately trying to poke holes in the mans character and are at a point of just makin shit up as you go along. I have no doubt that your scenario happens at other places but I can say with 100% certainty that it doesn't go on there. It's pretty sad that I can tell of my friends situation , how he should be the example and you still assume that he pays minimum wage, makes them work overtime at regular pay and all that. Take your hatred of the rich to another thread. It does not apply here. Do you think he should pay them 20 per/hr, Give a retirement pension, pay for complete health and dental for his employees? If that was the standard you couldn't afford the products. That's not the standard anywhere except the Automotve industry Unions and we all know what that did. They had to be bailed out. There's zero reason for you to say he's evil. You've been completely wrong in your theories and assumptions.

    So if hes paying the going rate in rural Georgia, why is he hiring illegals? The rate is good enough for the Mexicans, but not good enough for the Georgians? There is no hatred of the rich here....there is only hatred of the illegal and immoral people you bring to the board and cloaking them as innocent victims. A state with a nine percent unemployment rate, and your supposed saint, is hiring illegal aliens.

    Whats his "product" by the way...in rural Georgia where this factory exists?

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    So if hes paying the going rate in rural Georgia, why is he hiring illegals? The rate is good enough for the Mexicans, but not good enough for the Georgians? There is no hatred of the rich here....there is only hatred of the illegal and immoral people you bring to the board and cloaking them as innocent victims. A state with a nine percent unemployment rate, and your supposed saint, is hiring illegal aliens.

    Whats his "product" by the way...in rural Georgia where this factory exists?

    What are you talking about? Apparently you just intend to be an ass. I live in Georgia am telling you that $10 to $12 per hour for unskilled labor is not unfair. BTW I do not live in RURAL Georgia and this unfortunately is fair wages.

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  • mtreber1 said...

    What are you talking about? Apparently you just intend to be an ass. I live in Georgia am telling you that $10 to $12 per hour for unskilled labor is not unfair. BTW I do not live in RURAL Georgia and this unfortunately is fair wages.

    He's saying that if the guy is paying the going rate for labor then why does need to hire illegals?

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  • TroyTide said...

    He's saying that if the guy is paying the going rate for labor then why does need to hire illegals?

    Because we have lazy asses that would rather collect an unemployment check for 6 months, use food stamps etc to make ends meat. Illegal immigrants don't have that option. They don't work, they don't eat. Our government makes it easy for Americans to stay lazy and unemployed. I know several people who do this. I'm sure there's several hundred more I don't know that does this. They work the required 140 days, take volunteer layoffs and reap the benefits of unemployment the rest of the year at our expense.

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  • Mr.Stache said...

    La born and raised huh? So French heritage? Lol.... your people came as immigrants but they didn't have to go through miles of red tape and years to get citizenship. It was just granted.

    Hell of a argument you got there. Really? Really?

    My ancestors still became citizens and followed the laws of the land. Unreal.

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  • Mr.Stache said...

    Because we have lazy asses that would rather collect an unemployment check for 6 months, use food stamps etc to make ends meat. Illegal immigrants don't have that option. They don't work, they don't eat. Our government makes it easy for Americans to stay lazy and unemployed. I know several people who do this. I'm sure there's several hundred more I don't know that does this. They work the required 140 days, take volunteer layoffs and reap the benefits of unemployment the rest of the year at our expense.

    Again if you have a problem with this I guess you voted for Romney? Because Obama supports this behavior you speak so bad about. No personal responsibility. Just let the government take care of you.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    I cannot believe the hypocrisy on this board. So lets get this straight...if they are able to find low paying jobs, then they can stay. I like the selective law enforcement.

    I didn't take sides. I'm just pointing out that those non-union $12/hour jobs are pretty damned good for some people, and you can't treat them like victims when they broke international laws and rode in trucks with Ben Stiller to get the work.

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  • TheT12 said...

    I didn't take sides. I'm just pointing out that those non-union $12/hour jobs are pretty damned good for some people, and you can't treat them like victims when they broke international laws and rode in trucks with Ben Stiller to get the work.

    I think the point Stache is making is that we have to change the law. These people aren't, for the most part, taking many jobs from others willing to the same work for a reasonable salary. They fill a need we have in our work force and we should figure out a better path to allow them to stay here. Even H2B guest worker programs would work. How many people in this board would pick fruit or drive a shovel all day for $10-15/hour? This another example of the government getting in the way of a good thing.

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  • Mr.Stache said...

    A small 100 employee Company had 35 undocumented workers arrested in Ga today. They were arrested at their homes and will be deported. All of them working in the plant. The company will now in essence have to close its doors until it fills those vacancies which is highly unlikely due to the laziness of those that don't want a job. These undocumented immigrants pay taxes out of their payroll check. 95% of them have been working for this company for 13+ years.

    So yeah, that's America. Lets not forget that this country can't maintain it borders and prevent millions of pounds of illegal drugs from crossing the border but it has the money and resources to arrest tax paying people who are just trying to feed their family and provide better who happen to not have citizenship. Thank you Georgia. I feel much safer with these people off the streets.

    That sucks

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  • Mr.Stache said...

    Because we have lazy asses that would rather collect an unemployment check for 6 months, use food stamps etc to make ends meat. Illegal immigrants don't have that option. They don't work, they don't eat. Our government makes it easy for Americans to stay lazy and unemployed. I know several people who do this. I'm sure there's several hundred more I don't know that does this. They work the required 140 days, take volunteer layoffs and reap the benefits of unemployment the rest of the year at our expense.

    No what you are ACTUALLY saying is, you made this entire thing up, in order to feed your trollish self. Got any more fairy tales to tell us?

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    No what you are ACTUALLY saying is, you made this entire thing up, in order to feed your trollish self. Got any more fairy tales to tell us?

    No but believe whatever you need.

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    DrStache