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Yes because the VT coaches have no idea how to evaluate a player, let alone move him to a different position that may be better for the kid's future. Kam Chancellor and Duane Brown say hello.
Yeah it was certainly the best thing for him lol
You moved Logan to QB for one reason..... you had nobody else and VT loves to operate the high school mentality where you put your best athlete at QB.... hoping for another Vick to mask a terrible offensive staff that has no idea what they are doing
And you say better for the kids future ? lulz.... like it was for Bryan Randall a former 5 star who went undrafted ? or how about Marcus Vick who should have been anything but a QB ? where is he today ?
How about Tyrod Taylor ? a former 5 star ? that was drafted in the sixth round and will be a backup forever ?
Yeah VT is notorious for doing the right things in terms of their QB's futures
Logan was a 5 star TE which is a position that is becoming huge in the NFL and mostly cause of kids with his skill set, he could be amazing at TE
He MIGHT become a solid QB, maybe.... but yes..... there was a reason nobody recruited him to play QB, even VT didn't at first..... and he played QB in high school
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Im with you on all that except you can't say Logan is the best right now
Kid has a long way to go in terms of being NFL QB material and still has yet to beat a ranked team even
A lot of you VT fans aren't ready for how bad he will be this year passing...... you have no WR's really and TE blows.... RB's are two freshman that play behind a shitty OL...... he only passed for 19 TD's last year on over 300 passes, and lost his top targets ( 2 WR and 1 TE )
Logan is in for a rough season, he can ask EJ how it was last year and Logan doesn't have nearly the amount of talent EJ had around him
Logan might become the best pro prospect, but for now he hasn't proven jack shit other than he looks the part ( arm strength, running ability and size ) and plays well against shitty teams..... he could go early when his time comes, but he only completed 59% percent of his passes and if Mallet can fall to the third round Logan could fall much farther if he doesn't get better
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Im with you on all that except you can't say Logan is the best right now
Kid has a long way to go in terms of being NFL QB material and still has yet to beat a ranked team even
A lot of you VT fans aren't ready for how bad he will be this year passing...... you have no WR's really and TE blows.... RB's are two freshman that play behind a shitty OL...... he only passed for 19 TD's last year on over 300 passes, and lost his top targets ( 2 WR and 1 TE )
Logan is in for a rough season, he can ask EJ how it was last year and Logan doesn't have nearly the amount of talent EJ had around him
Logan might become the best pro prospect, but for now he hasn't proven jack shit other than he looks the part ( arm strength, running ability and size ) and plays well against shitty teams..... he could go early when his time comes, but he only completed 59% percent of his passes and if Mallet can fall to the third round Logan could fall much farther if he doesn't get better
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He may be in for a rough year for the reasons you mentioned, but looking the part is all you need in the draft. Why was Tannehill a top 10 pick? Because he passed the eye test. Mallet dropped for an assortment of reasons that won't hurt Thomas (attitude, off-the-field problems).
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I don't know where to jump in. 5 star Willy Korn was a higher rated prospect than all of them. That worked out well. Glennon was pulled in the 2007 LSU game in favor of a true freshman, Tyrod.
NoVaNoles, definitely understand your pissed offedness. Logan has 3 experienced, talented, Senior receivers, in DJ Coles, Marcus Davis, and Dyrell Roberts. Be ok there. Very stoked about the TE spot after spring. Experienced OL, but as long as Newsome is the line coach, well, if you can't say something nice. Yes, all freshman at RB, but the best incoming freshman RB class in the nation. Was ranked #3 in rivals, but All American RB, Trey Edmunds, was recruited as a LB. The coaches have decided to give him a shot at RB. Hell of a group of RB's. Offense will be ok. Defense brings back 12 starters. 9 from 2011, and 3 starters from 2010 that missed the 2011 season.
You guys should be good. We should be good. Best flame post I got in me tonight.
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Yeah it was certainly the best thing for him lol
You moved Logan to QB for one reason..... you had nobody else and VT loves to operate the high school mentality where you put your best athlete at QB.... hoping for another Vick to mask a terrible offensive staff that has no idea what they are doing
And you say better for the kids future ? lulz.... like it was for Bryan Randall a former 5 star who went undrafted ? or how about Marcus Vick who should have been anything but a QB ? where is he today ?
How about Tyrod Taylor ? a former 5 star ? that was drafted in the sixth round and will be a backup forever ?
Yeah VT is notorious for doing the right things in terms of their QB's futures
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Sometimes it is I agree, and I think Logan is likely to go high if he leaves in 2 years not after next
But I still need to see a lot from him to say, he does have an amazing skill set though and passes the eye test
That is a no brainer
I just need to see more from him in terms of passing, it looks good coming out of his hand but sometimes it lands in places that make me say WTF, just like EJ
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Or the OL is bad because the QB is scrambling all over the place and the pocket collapses because the OL is trying to keep up. Notice how this year VT only gave up 17 sacks all year with a more traditional pocket passer.
Randall was a QB. Where would you play him? RB? WR? And he won ACC POY in 04. He reached his potential at QB, but wasn't an NFL QB. I can name a ton of great college QBs who were not great NFL QBs but still reached their potential at the QB position at a higher level than any other position. Bringing up Marcus Vick is just dumb because he's not playing for other reasons than talent are well known (and I know you know them since you bring them up at any chance you get).
Tyrod's played 1 season in the league so it's hard to say what his future is.
LT's being discussed as a possible 1st rounder after 1 season with 2 years of eligibility left. Why was he a TE? He never played the position, so he was supposed to become an all-American there? That makes sense.
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Or the OL is bad because the QB is scrambling all over the place and the pocket collapses because the OL is trying to keep up. Notice how this year VT only gave up 17 sacks all year with a more traditional pocket passer.
Randall was a QB. Where would you play him? RB? WR? And he won ACC POY in 04. He reached his potential at QB, but wasn't an NFL QB. I can name a ton of great college QBs who were not great NFL QBs but still reached their potential at the QB position at a higher level than any other position. Bringing up Marcus Vick is just dumb because he's not playing for other reasons than talent are well known (and I know you know them since you bring them up at any chance you get).
Tyrod's played 1 season in the league so it's hard to say what his future is.
LT's being discussed as a possible 1st rounder after 1 season with 2 years of eligibility left. Why was he a TE? He never played the position, so he was supposed to become an all-American there? That makes sense.
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The OL wasn't good last year, the year before, or before that, or before that. The only reason Tyrod didn't redshirt in 2007 was because he was most qualified to take the snap, drop back, and run for his life.
If you lose 4 starters on an OL that isn't good, how much does it hurt you? The starters, all except one, have a lot of experience and lot of starts between them. OL will be typical.
Defense was top 10 last year, and will be much improved. Typical Hokie team. Very good, probably not great. Agree with about Logan coming back in 2013. Please, please, please, come back.
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And as for him being a TE Im not saying he really should be one
But there is a reason most schools wanted him there and if you don't think he could have gone somewhere like say Stanford and become an all american TE you are nuts cause he had that potential
Personally I remember FSU recruiting him hard at TE and I would have loved to land him as a TE, no doubt
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He was a 5 star TE and definitely could have gone anywhere and been an All American TE. But, he's that good of an athlete that you want the ball in his hands every play. He spent spring break training with Cam Newton's QB coach, who was blown away by Logan. He is the real deal.
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Then yeah, we are on the same page
I like this VT team in terms of being what they are, but Wilson and Holsey leaving hurt this squad
Those two return and you are obviously a much better team
I can't see this Hokie team winning the ACC, I also think yes.... your defense will rank high, but a talented offense will do what it wants against it like Clemson did twice last year with youngsters everywhere
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Who has him as a first rounder? do you have a link to that source
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I don't doubt it and like I said his career is TBD, Im not gonna sit here and say what he can't do cause ability wise there isn't anything he can't do
Im just skeptical he can put it all together at QB cause its such a tough position.... and nearly impossible to succeed in the NFL
As for winning in the ACC that he can do, but that is about all Im certain of right now.... and he can run like an out of control train ( which I love but certainly would make me nervous if he was my QB in terms of injury )
And no offense but whoever this Cam Newton QB coach is means nothing to me, I make my own opinions
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So the Dolphins didn't move him to WR ? like you should of ?
Randall could have been a DB, a great one..... cause of his knowledge of QB
Winning ACC POY < Realizing athletic potential and making millions in the NFL
Nobody is really talking about Logan going first round this early lmao, give me a break and whoever might be is just talking senseless chatter that means nothing
Lots of kids coming out of high school switch positions BTW, are you serious ?
Antonio Gates played PF in college and he is all american TE, doesn't make sense but it sure as hell works right ?
Anything else ?
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The key part to the Cam Newton coach thing is that he wasn't partying his ass off for spring break, but spending the week trainging with a QB coach. I liked hearing that. Great guy too. Met Logan while he was recruiting and he yes sir'd and no sir'd me to death.
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WR was a last minute offer to see if his athleticism could translate to another position. But it obviously didn't. He was a very good QB while at VT, but he had a 2 cent head.
I don't see how Randall could have been a good DB nor why VT would think about moving him. He signed an NFL contract as a QB. He never played, but him and Tyrod can say they signed an NFL contract as a QB.
And you're missing my point about changing positions. I already said that VT has a history of moving kids to a different position (Duane Brown was a TE and became a 1st round OT and Kam Chancellor was a QB and is now a Pro Bowl Safety). With Logan, he probably could have become a great TE because he is so versatile, but that didn't mean he was a better prospect as a TE than a QB. Obviously VT saw something they liked and it's worked out so far at a more critical position than the TE position.
His skill set is so dynamic at the QB position that they has been early 1st round talk. But it's early talk that can change very easily next season. And that is all based on him building upon this year. He has work to do and he's nowhere near as polished as other guys, but his ceiling is very high.
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