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No some of his haters are. Ask Johnny Miller, ask Rick Reilly (who hates Tiger), and anyone on Golf Channel, the state of the tour is worse than when Tiger dominated.

The fact that 13 different players have won the last 13 majors just shows there is no one consistent on tour (other than Rory).

Still haven't answered if no one was scared of Tiger why have only 3 of 14 players shot under par when Tiger has won a major?

You're being silly if you say there were more good players on tour ten years ago than there are today. Golf is stronger today than it ever has been, and your stat about the major winners proves it even more. There are a BUNCH of players capable of winning big events now.

Tiger has been terrible for 2 years now, it's kind of hard for guys who haven't played against him dominating to be scared... YET. Once Tiger goes to work (which he will) kids will start falling off just like they did in the past.

Rory has been better over the past 18 months sure. I don't think he is better right now, when Tiger is at his best he is the best end of story. Tiger seems to be at his best. If he putts, he wins.

And you guys ask all these questions, I am bias towards Tiger. Pretty sure you guys are irrational to whoever you cheer for in football, it comes with the territory of being a die hard fan. Tiger is far and away my favorite athlete of all-time, I watch every PGA round of his if possible. I have more faith in Tiger winning and being the best than anything.

Beating Rory in a match play WGC event this year to win was pretty impressive. Hunter was a kid when that chip at the Ryder Cup happened. Hell, he is still young. He has cleaned up his short game a ton.

"Tiger has won 2 out of his last 8 tournaments. And hasn't finished worse than 20th in a event. He's come 2nd and 3rd in some of those events. So I'm not sure what the hell you are talking about." - False. Tiger missed the cut to the masters 2 years ago. He has also missed the cut to the PGA Championship. All within the last 3 years. So not sure what the hell your are talking about in hasn't finished worse in a event.

Also, you claim everyone is scared of tiger. but the poster you were arguing with stated that as of recent players aren't scared of tiger anymore. That doesn't mean all of the players but players in general as of late are not intimidated by Tiger. You then went on to show stats of players who have fallen to distress while playing along side tiger in Majors. But your stats started with 2007 and went back. You also only showed the times that helped your argument. 2007 was 5 years ago bud. That is 20 major tournaments since then. How about telling us what the competition has done since 2008 playing next to Tiger. I bet that intimidation has worn off significantly.

You are just wanting to argue to argue and its stupid. Apperantly everyone is this thread doesn't know jack shit about golf except you. I am a big Tiger fan and a big Rory fan. And I hate Phil. So I understand you defending Tiger but you should certainly look up your info before trying to prove someone else wrong. it makes you look like an idiot.

You should really learn to read in context. Why would I go from talking about his last 8 events to talking about his finishes all-time? That's really dumb of you to think that.

I'm saying in his last 8 events he hasn't finished worse than 20th doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, just takes someone to read in context.

Duh.

Actually you are pretty dumb for saying it. You said And hasn't finished worse than 20th in a event. Not in those. Not since then. But in a event. Implies in all events. So I would say you are pretty dumb.

So fine you meant to say something you didn't say. Ok. What about the intimidation? How have players fared who have played next to Tiger in the past 20 majors. I am curious because you chose not to provide that information.

You just want to argue to argue. Then you when you get called out then its well that not what it was meant to read. How about next time don't just start spewing out the keyboard and take a deep breathe and actually think about crap before you say it. You have clearly gotten butt hurt in this thread with all of the people arguing back to you. The common denominator in all of the arguement are YOU. maybe its time for you step back and count down from 10

The arguement was never about how Tiger has done in the past 20 majors (which for some reason you just turned it into). It was about how his paired competition has done in the past 20 majors. You keep stating only 3 players have shot under pay who played next to Tiger. But that is pre-07. You want to state facts. How about stating all of the facts not just facts that help your arguement. It makes you look foolish by not doing so. The point that that "idiot" was making was as of late (past 5 years which you refuse to acknowledge) the competition has been less worried about Tiger and less intimidiation by Tiger being there. I tend to agree with that point. I hope Tiger makes a comeback and beats Jacks record. But as of late the competition has picked up their game and is less affected by being next to Tiger. Not sure how that isn't obvious to you.

Just wanted to point out, that most of the people you have argued with are not Tiger-haters at all, myself included. They are just rational and understand that Rory is playing the best at this moment. Tiger is playing great too, but no one is on Rory's level going in to the tourney.

You said no one can beat Tiger at his best and I agree, but you're kidding yourself if you think he is at his best right now. His best was in 2000-01 when he won the Masters by 8 and U.S. Open by 15. He's not going to be that good again, but he can reach his form from 2007 or so. He's not there yet though. He's got everything going except his putter. He is putting good and not great. If he puts great this weekend he'll probably win.

Actually 13 different major winners shows how much parity there is in golf. Tiger showed up in the late 90's and the tour didn't know how to handle him. It literally changed golf and courses began altering the layout because of his length off the tee. Today, many players on the tour have the ability to hit it long and straight. He was the one who brought on today's golfer. So many of the young guys emulate his game. That along with the injuries have created a parity in golf. Tiger is not the 23 year old that dominated the tour. He's 37 with a reconstructed knee and a bad achilles.

As for the guys that have shot over par in the final round of Tiger's Major wins, every situation is different. I don't think Rory McIlroy is scared of Charl Schwartzel(2011 Masters Winner) just because he shot an 80 last year in the final round of the Masters. Tiger 1997-2002 is as good as it will ever get on tour from a dominance level. Not even Tiger maintained that level through the middle of the decade.

Why don't you talk about some of the chinks in Tiger's Armor. He has not been the Superman like figure you have made him out to be since the middle of the decade. He has blown leads in the final round and won majors in playoffs(2005 Masters, 2008 US Open). He made some improbable shots that helped him squeak out wins in Majors(2005 Masters chip in on 16th).

How about we talk about the 2009 PGA Championship where Tiger shot a 75 final round and blew a 2 shot lead to lose by 3 shots. Is Tiger scared of Yang Yong-eun? How about Tiger holding a lead on the back nine of the final round of the 2007 Masters only to lose by 2 shots to Zach Johnson? How about Tiger shooting a 2 over par in the final grouping of the US Open on Sunday to finish 1 shot behind Cabrera? How about Tiger shooting a final round 4 over par 75 to finish 3 shots off the lead in the 2010 US Open?

The more telling stat that players aren't intimidated by Tiger...Tiger has never once come from behind to win a Major. I'm not selling Tiger short and you seem to be overly sensitive about people bring into question Tiger's intimidation factor on the tour these days but he isn't even close to being the force he was a decade ago. He will compete for a few more years but he is no longer the lone golfer in a universe all himself. He isn't even the best player anymore. some of that has to do with Tiger himself but more importantly, the tour is loaded with young guys that are more talented than the old men Tiger beat up early in his career.