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  • 1tide said...

    Eventually Petrino's lack of recruiting will bite him in the arse! No way he can keep getting more outta less in the SEC. Nutt did that for a little while. Now he's sank to the bottom of the SEC!

    Petrinos recruits>than nutts

    guys are all worked up on stars. The class that just graduated was mainly 2 and 3 stars. The had back to back 10 win seasons, and that was the class that signed after his whole Atlanta Fiasco. He's now pulling 3 and 4 stars (and if you go off of rivals most of the 3's are a tick away from being a 4). Petrino can find the underrated talent and coach them up on offense, there is no questioning that. He's done it on d, but not at this level, well have to see how it turns out.

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  • spcbuzzard said...

    Because they had to adjust to SEC play, then had to suffer through 10+years of nutt. The #1 thing hurting them is the state population. Not enough kids in Arkansas.

    To be fair, Nutt did get to Atlanta. Petrino is better, but it's not like things didn't look this promising at times under Nutt as well.

    Arkansas has a slight location issue and a less than spectacular recruiting base, but everything is top notch. They'll always have years here and there, but I don't put them on the same level as Bama, LSU, or even Auburn.

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  • BetterOff said...

    To be fair, Nutt did get to Atlanta. Petrino is better, but it's not like things didn't look this promising at times under Nutt as well.

    Arkansas has a slight location issue and a less than spectacular recruiting base, but everything is top notch. They'll always have years here and there, but I don't put them on the same level as Bama, LSU, or even Auburn.

    Nutt did have some good years, like when he had McFadden, Jones, and Hillis all in the same backfield. Now explain to me how you can actually have that talent and not win the SEC. Nutt was horrible who lucked his way through a lot. And the sad part is that I actually liked the guy.

    Bama is king of the mountain, no doubt Great recruiting, great tradition, great coach, and I'm assuming (haven't looked into this) great facillities. LSU could be, they have almost everything Bama has, but I can't put them up there until Miles is gone. I think the guy is a very over rated. Has enormous talent year in and year out, and under performs with it. Auburn has a coach that has a carrer win % of around 50%. Take Cam Newton out of the equation and it's even worse. They have had some big time recruits the last few years, I'm just not as high up on most of them as all the critics. Then again, I don't do that for a living.

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  • spcbuzzard said...

    Nutt did have some good years, like when he had McFadden, Jones, and Hillis all in the same backfield. Now explain to me how you can actually have that talent and not win the SEC. Nutt was horrible who lucked his way through a lot. And the sad part is that I actually liked the guy.

    Bama is king of the mountain, no doubt Great recruiting, great tradition, great coach, and I'm assuming (haven't looked into this) great facillities. LSU could be, they have almost everything Bama has, but I can't put them up there until Miles is gone. I think the guy is a very over rated. Has enormous talent year in and year out, and under performs with it. Auburn has a coach that has a carrer win % of around 50%. Take Cam Newton out of the equation and it's even worse. They have had some big time recruits the last few years, I'm just not as high up on most of them as all the critics. Then again, I don't do that for a living.

    have to agree with your comments but not sure on Miles yet - next year will be the big test as they should be favored to win it all

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  • T I G E R said...

    What dickbird post.

    I gave u a +2 for the use of the word dickbird. However, u get an automatic -1 for being a known homosexual, bringing ur post back to a +1. So all in all, a +1 isn't bad for a sodomite.

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  • bama1055 said...

    I gave u a +2 for the use of the word dickbird. However, u get an automatic -1 for being a known homosexual, bringing ur post back to a +1. So all in all, a +1 isn't bad for a sodomite.

    good way to finish the night , have a good one guys

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    good way to finish the night , have a good one guys

    later shoe.

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    good way to finish the night , have a good one guys

    Not a bad way to start the morning either.

    BetterOff

  • spcbuzzd-I dont believe adding Chizik record at Iowa st is fair to this discussion. But if you go there give him credit for getting Alabama to title game since thats his players the beat OK ST (lord knows I heard that about LSU for years) But here my rankings for what its worth and its over next 10 not 5 or 3 or 2 so I tried to explain:

    1) Bama- I feel over next 5 years Saban is Coach and we all know what that means. Then depends on hire
    2)Auburn-Heavy biased but we keep coaches on average of 10 years and that gives stability. Tubbs went undefeated in this conference so Cam wasnt only one...I mean Chizik!!! But we've had top recruiting classes under Chizik and should be ready to compete now with big boys. After this year we'll know where Auburn stands
    3)LSU- Next 2-3 years talents there. Good recruits this year but not close to top 3 like past classes
    4) Arkansas- They hold this spot pretty well. But I wouldnt be suprised to see them at top 1-2x over next decade
    5)Floridia-Reason I went all west teams at top is I feel Nat'l Champioship Game is having team from West next 5 yr
    6)Missouri
    7)UGA- Once FL gets back going then East is all over
    8)South Carolina-Spurrier gone in 2 years then USCe heads back to mediocrity.
    9-14) Flip a Coin or dice, prolly more effective

    Whats Crazy is these are all good/great teams. When you look at this conference from top to bottom its shocking!

    This post was edited by auburngrad08 on 2/24/2012 at 7:46 AM

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  • auburngrad08 said...

    spcbuzzd-I dont believe adding Chizik record at Iowa st is fair to this discussion. But if you go there give him credit for getting Alabama to title game since thats his players the beat OK ST (lord knows I heard that about LSU for years) But here my rankings for what its worth and its over next 10 not 5 or 3 or 2 so I tried to explain:

    1) Bama- I feel over next 5 years Saban is Coach and we all know what that means. Then depends on hire
    2)Auburn-Heavy biased but we keep coaches on average of 10 years and that gives stability. Tubbs went undefeated in this conference so Cam wasnt only one...I mean Chizik!!! But we've had top recruiting classes under Chizik and should be ready to compete now with big boys. After this year we'll know where Auburn stands
    3)LSU- Next 2-3 years talents there. Good recruits this year but not close to top 3 like past classes
    4) Arkansas- They hold this spot pretty well. But I wouldnt be suprised to see them at top 1-2x over next decade
    5)Floridia-Reason I went all west teams at top is I feel Nat'l Champioship Game is having team from West next 5 yr
    6)Missouri
    7)UGA- Once FL gets back going then East is all over
    8)South Carolina-Spurrier gone in 2 years then USCe heads back to mediocrity.
    9-14) Flip a Coin or dice, prolly more effective

    Whats Crazy is these are all good/great teams. When you look at this conference from top to bottom its shocking!

    Gay

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  • deltadawg82 said...

    Gay

    I don't know why people feel that they should lump Mississippi St or Tennessee in either along with the also rans, like Ole Miss, Vandy, Kentucky.

    The guy doesn't even list aTm and that is crazy to me. You can already see how well they have compared recruiting this past year and the start they are off to for next year. I think they are going to be able to surpass the level that Arkansas is at in the next 5 years or so IF Sumlin is the right guy.

    Mississippi St to me is a tough place to win big at, but as long as they have Mullen, they are going to be a danderous team on everyone's schedule and they will have their chances at 9 and 10 win seasons (bowl included) from time to time, IMO. Mullen at least has them back to being a consistant bowl team every year.

    With Tennessee, the potential is there. They need a new coach and a fresh start and they will be back to the top of the East, along with Florida before people even realize it. I think Tennessee will have an easier rise back to prominence that people think, because there is no dominant team in the East. USCe is in the best position if you look at combined talent and coaching and they are still someone fragile in terms of consistancy, IMO. UGA, much like Tennessee needs to scrap things and start over (entire athletic department, not just in football), but they are blinded by a decent record from last year against poor competition as far as the SEC goes and will probably have similiar results again this year. A 10 win season ending with a blow out in Atlanta by a team from the West. Murray is not the guy they thought when they cut ties with Mett and their WRs are not as talented as they want you to believe, although they do have one really good one, in #26.

    BetterOff

  • Ok so I should have finished my list but you cant tell me MS ST will have 10 wins anytime soon? They didnt even finish in top 30 this year in recruiting. Finished around 50 last year. And Mullen will be out first chance he get IMO! Heck BetterOff you had State around 9 or 10. And Texas A&M could be thrown in but my top 4 were west teams and had to put east teams by default. A&M's unproven and choked 5 games away last year. It will take close to 5 years for A&M to get to top of SEC, so I can see argument but I can argue against too. Like I said at end of post there are 10 really good teams in this conference so its debatable if A&M is in top 5 in West which would make you around 10-14 in final SEC rankings (which is where I have them)

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  • auburngrad08 said...

    Ok so I should have finished my list but you cant tell me MS ST will have 10 wins anytime soon? They didnt even finish in top 30 this year in recruiting. Finished around 50 last year. And Mullen will be out first chance he get IMO! Heck BetterOff you had State around 9 or 10. And Texas A&M could be thrown in but my top 4 were west teams and had to put east teams by default. A&M's unproven and choked 5 games away last year. It will take close to 5 years for A&M to get to top of SEC, so I can see argument but I can argue against too.

    I didn't say the didn't deserve to be #9 or 10, but to just say they are Ole Miss or Kentucky is a little much. I think that MSU can win 7 games consistantly, and ever 4 or 5 years could have a year that they pick another win or 2 and have a chance to get to 9, maybe 10 wins after a bowl. 10+ years ago, that is exactly where they were with Jackie Sherrill. Mullen has done a great job there and has improved facilities a great deal. I agree that Mullen will take the next 8 or 9 win season to another program, but he has left the job a lot better than he found it and they will have a chance to bring in someone comparable. It is no where near the level it was when he took the job, so you have to think future cadidates will see that.

    BetterOff

  • auburngrad08 said...

    Ok so I should have finished my list but you cant tell me MS ST will have 10 wins anytime soon? They didnt even finish in top 30 this year in recruiting. Finished around 50 last year. And Mullen will be out first chance he get IMO! Heck BetterOff you had State around 9 or 10. And Texas A&M could be thrown in but my top 4 were west teams and had to put east teams by default. A&M's unproven and choked 5 games away last year. It will take close to 5 years for A&M to get to top of SEC, so I can see argument but I can argue against too. Like I said at end of post there are 10 really good teams in this conference so its debatable if A&M is in top 5 in West which would make you around 10-14 in final SEC rankings (which is where I have them)

    Don't forget either that MSU played Alabama and LSU better than anyone else they played did, minus their games against each other. MSU crapped away the Auburn game, which they should have won. They were very close to a much better year last year and did have a 9-win season 2 years ago. If they could have found a QB, they could have been pretty good last year.

    BetterOff

  • And if Auburn would have had a QB that game wouldnt have been close. Or an experienced o-line (which we will this year). Thats not a valid argument in this case.

    This post was edited by auburngrad08 on 2/24/2012 at 10:20 AM

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  • auburngrad08 said...

    And if Auburn would have had a QB that game wouldnt have been close. Or an experienced o-line (which we will this year). Thats not a valid argument in this case.

    I agree with you about that. My point about the QB situation was that Relf was set to be the guy. Everyone knew Auburn's limitations last year was their QBs and OL on offense, but Relf was supposed to be a strength for MSU. I don't know what happened between the previous 2 years and last year, but something wasn't right with that kid.

    I still stand by the statement that they played the top 2 teams in the country better than anyone else, though. They aren't a bad team. They have had good running backs. The OL has been solid, and their defense has always been very underrated. They have great athletes at the WR position as well, but they just have hands made out of rocks.

    Remember the guy that missed 2 different TD catches in your game with them in '10. He was playing WR with ping pong paddles instead of hands.

    Mullen has to leave in the next 2 or 3 years, but if he did stay he could have a comfortbale career there, which would be a disasterous for Ole Miss trying to get back to something positive. I do think he has to leave if he wants any great success. The best he could hope for at MSU would be to possible win an SEC West title if Bama, LSU, or Auburn just lay an egg one year, which will happen eventually, but it doesn't look like it will happen soon enough.

    BetterOff

  • The AU game the last few years has really broken MSU's season. If they beat AU this year early on. I think it'll propel them to a nice season. & will put AU in deep censored early on! jmho

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  • Last year these are Miss St.'s wins - Memphis, La Tech, UAB, Tenn Martin, Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Wake Forest.

    What am I missing?

    Mullen has still not beaten a team from the West other than Ole Miss in 3 years.

    Big A

  • auburngrad08 said...

    And if Auburn would have had a QB that game wouldnt have been close. Or an experienced o-line (which we will this year). Thats not a valid argument in this case.

    what was your excuse when you had scam newton? 17-14????

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  • deltadawg82 said...

    what was your excuse when you had scam newton? 17-14????

    damn cowbells.... I watched on TV and had a headache by halftime... The noise you guys create is unreal.

    and FYI, you guys are the reason he has that nickname... MSU was the school devising a plan to pay him.

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  • Big A said...

    Last year these are Miss St.'s wins - Memphis, La Tech, UAB, Tenn Martin, Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Wake Forest.

    What am I missing?

    Mullen has still not beaten a team from the West other than Ole Miss in 3 years.

    every team in the west was ranked in the top 15 in 2010 except ole piss. so i will take a 9-4 record with losses comin from top 10 teams. last year we were hurt on the oline and it didnt go our way but the only game we were just flat out whipped was arkansas. lsu didnt whip us bama didnt whip us. we are a tough team to beat and when we have a few breaks we will beat some teams other than ole piss

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  • AUBonner said...

    damn cowbells.... I watched on TV and had a headache by halftime... The noise you guys create is unreal.

    the thing about the cowbells is they are not very loud on the field like they are in the stands. i have been on the sidelines and the are not half as loud as in the stands. really isnt an advantage.

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  • deltadawg82 said...

    the thing about the cowbells is they are not very loud on the field like they are in the stands. i have been on the sidelines and the are not half as loud as in the stands. really isnt an advantage.

    didn't mean it was an advantage... just annoying as hell. IIRC it wasn't just cowbells that game. Ya'll broke out the heavy artillery with metal wash tubs on broom sticks w/ steel balls clanging around in there.

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  • deltadawg82 said...

    so i will take a 9-4 record with losses comin from top 10 teams.

    That would be great except Miss St was 7-6 last year not 9-4.

    Big A

  • The West is clearly better right now. & it's really not even close. There is no BCS Championship contender in the East imo. Some will say UGA. But they will only be in the talk early because of that joke of a schedule. I still see them losing 2-4 games this year. The SEC West is imho the toughest conference in all of college football hands down!!!!!

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