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  • BetterOff said...

    Very well could be. I think the difference is that Landry Jones is overrated. Matt Barkley is not.

    If USC stumbles, it will be due to lack of depth and/or injuries. The defense will be serviceable and the offense should be great. There is only 3 games on their schedule that should pose an issue.

    @Washington- tough place to play and a solid team that usually underachieves, but gets up for USC
    Oregon- their offense can match them
    @Stanford- the running game could give their defense issues up front.

    Other than that, they are set, and I think the Stanford and Washington games are less likely to be close that it may appear, IMO.

    Playing a relatively weak schedule does not make them a great team.

    WingedHelmet

  • Jos Mit said...

    Yes i understand, but USC has a clear cut easy road except Oregon. I mean by years end they may only play one ranked team depending on how Stanford is without Luck...thats worse than Florida State in the ACC

    No, no its not. Washington and Utah both have strong teams and could end up in the top 25 (many preseason polls have them in the top 25) as could Cal or even UCLA for that matter.

    Also your comparison to Oklahoma is just novelty sports speak with zero spine to it. Same goes for your "they wouldn't perform in the SEC" bull***t which the NFL clearly disagrees with. That offense is littered with 1st round picks, and unless the SEC is the NFC they would get theirs.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    No, no its not. Washington and Utah both have strong teams and could end up in the top 25 (many preseason polls have them in the top 25) as could Cal or even UCLA for that matter.

    Also your comparison to Oklahoma is just novelty sports speak with zero spine to it. Same goes for your "they wouldn't perform in the SEC" bull***t which the NFL clearly disagrees with. That offense is littered with 1st round picks, and unless the SEC is the NFC they would get theirs.

    It aint like i said ud be the Miss State or Ole Miss of the SEC...Id say ud be the best Offense in the SEC, but not scoring the numbers you would in the pac-12

    btw many people said Alabama and LSU defense in 2011 could have been an NFL defense

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  • Jos Mit said...

    It aint like i said ud be the Miss State or Ole Miss of the SEC...Id say ud be the best Offense in the SEC, but not scoring the numbers you would in the pac-12

    btw many people said Alabama and LSU defense in 2011 could have been an NFL defense

    Nobody outside of extreme hyperbole.

    Do you actually believe that? Those defenses would get absolutely shredded in the NFL.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Nobody outside of extreme hyperbole.

    Do you actually believe that? Those defenses would get absolutely shredded in the NFL.

    Maybe if you put them together they could equal the 32nd best. Maybe.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Maybe if you put them together they could equal the 32nd best. Maybe.

    Thats wat i meant a BAD NFL defense, but USC would be a BAD NFL Offense.

    But there were numerous former NFL players who said they could see Alabama and LSUs dfence as NFL caliber

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  • WingedHelmet said...

    Playing a relatively weak schedule does not make them a great team.

    I never said it did.

    Just because a team is great it doesn't mean teams they should beat easily suck either.

    BetterOff

  • Jos Mit said...

    Thats wat i meant a BAD NFL defense, but USC would be a BAD NFL Offense.

    But there were numerous former NFL players who said they could see Alabama and LSUs dfence as NFL caliber

    I never said they would be close to an NFL offense. USC's offense would never score in the NFL.

    I can't believe you actually believe that. I'm done arguing after that gem. Carry on.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Jos Mit said...

    It aint like i said ud be the Miss State or Ole Miss of the SEC...Id say ud be the best Offense in the SEC, but not scoring the numbers you would in the pac-12

    btw many people said Alabama and LSU defense in 2011 could have been an NFL defense

    fingergun

    BetterOff

  • Jos Mit said...

    It aint like i said ud be the Miss State or Ole Miss of the SEC...Id say ud be the best Offense in the SEC, but not scoring the numbers you would in the pac-12

    btw many people said Alabama and LSU defense in 2011 could have been an NFL defense

    Wow, I get chastised for promoting JerryWorld in Sept. and this comical spoof is left to stand?nono

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  • cjkarl20 said...

    For the love of God, just stop.

    Who are you imitating: Moses coming off the mountain?

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  • BetterOff said...

    Correction. Oregon puts up points and yards against bad defenses, which they play a lot of.

    I also think USC's offense is better than Oregon's, assuming injuries don't take their toll. When you take away Oregon's running game, they can't hurt you. USC can hurt in many ways.

    A matchup with Oregon wouldn't scare me in the least.

    Oregon can put up more points and yards vs average defenses than USC can, but a truly elite defense can shut Oregon down.

    USC is much more dangerous vs a truly elite defense.

    Pretty sure this is what you were saying.

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  • WingedHelmet said...

    Playing a relatively weak schedule does not make them a great team.

    Of all the true contenders, USC plays the toughest schedule, and that's the truth. Check out my breakdown on a pre-season SOS.

    http://247sports.com/Board/30/Rank-these-teams-based-on-SOS-9730771/1

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    Oregon can put up more points and yards vs average defenses than USC can, but a truly elite defense can shut Oregon down.

    USC is much more dangerous vs a truly elite defense.

    Pretty sure this is what you were saying.

    Exactly what I was saying. I do think I said that in an earlier post as well.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    I DIDNT SAY THEY WERE AN NFL DEFENSE IM GOING OFF OTHER FORMER NFL PLAYERS!! ...thank you

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  • fsufsu said...

    1, USC 2. LSU 3. Alabama -- QB and OL, Saban 4. Oregon 5. Georgia 6. Oklahoma 7. WVU 8. Michigan 9. Florida State 10. South Carolina

    The one listing I think folks will respond to is UGA. Their roster is incredible and they have "plus" players at key positions. I simply see them winning the East and giving LSU/Bama a real game in the SECCG.

    My wild card would be Texas. They had some real growing pains last year but they return two Elite coordinators and a ton of talent. Their running backs MAY be America's best, OL returns a good bit and adds an elite Juco, defense should be exceedingly salty with a ton of young DBs returning. They also don't have a B12CG but if they went 12-0 would never be kept out.

    -USC and Oregon both have a viable shot at reaching the NCG out of the P12.
    -Oklahoma ? although in the B12 , their running game & defense needs to show major improvement as both vanished in 2011 .
    -WVU could easily be this years version of the 2011 Cowpokes, which means nothing at all really.
    -Georgia will always have talent but there isnt a chance in hell they make a serious NC run. w/ a soft slate they could possibly
    squeak into the final Top10 w/ a BBowl win.
    -Michigan has a huge stage to make a case for themselves in week one . Vegas doesnt believe .
    -LSU / Bama winner could find themselves in the drivers seat .

    Crimson_Ghost

  • WingedHelmet said...

    Oregon put up 27 on LSU. That is 4.5x what you put up in your first game last year and almost a TD more than your BCSCG total. And if you are arguing that Oregon's offense only looks good because the P12 defenses are weak, the same applies to USC's offense.

    and while they were a determined bunch they got pushed around by LSU in 2011.
    did i mention they were shut down by the worst NC winning D in ten tears in 2010 ?

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Before I look at anyone else's lists:

    1. USC
    2. LSU
    3. Alabama
    4. Oregon
    5. Florida St
    6. Oklahoma
    7. Georgia
    8. Texas
    9. South Carolina
    10. Michigan
    11. West Virginia
    12. Wisconsin
    13. Stanford
    14. TCU
    15. Oklahoma St
    16. Michigan St
    17. Arkansas
    18. Ohio St
    19. Clemson
    20. Baylor
    21. Washington
    22. Nebraska
    23. Virginia Tech
    24. Notre Dame
    25. Florida

    Like always, I'm sure I missed someone obvious.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    roflmao

    Figure I'd try trolling. How was my first one?

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    Damaged goods

    MaizeandBlue21

  • maize&blue21 said...

    Figure I'd try trolling. How was my first one?

    7.5

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  • thejumper5 said...

    Before I look at anyone else's lists:

    1. USC 2. LSU 3. Alabama 4. Oregon 5. Florida St 6. Oklahoma 7. Georgia 8. Texas 9. South Carolina 10. Michigan 11. West Virginia 12. Wisconsin 13. Stanford 14. TCU 15. Oklahoma St 16. Michigan St 17. Arkansas 18. Ohio St 19. Clemson 20. Baylor 21. Washington 22. Nebraska 23. Virginia Tech 24. Notre Dame 25. Florida

    Like always, I'm sure I missed someone obvious.

    Aside from Texas & Michigan State, yours is the most realistic.

    Texas should be about 20 and MSU should be about 12, imo.

    mpcoan

  • mpcoan said...

    Aside from Texas & Michigan State, yours is the most realistic.

    Texas should be about 20 and MSU should be about 12, imo.

    I think Texas will probably be a 10-2 team with only losses to OU and either West Virginia or OSU. If they can put that record on the table, plus go 6-0 after RedRiver, they'll be a top-10 team.

    I think MSU will take a small step back this year. Replacing Cousins will be a tough task, not only on the field but off. There was no better leader in college football last year than Cousins. (Also, I generally like to rate MSU a little lower than most because I simply dislike Mark Dantonio.)

    Edit: Looking at the schedules, I think the team in my top-25 that might really under-perform where I have them ranked is Baylor. I think there's a really good chance that they are a deeper, more well-balanced team this year but they still have a worse record. Losing they dynamic players they lost, coupled with a tough schedule could lead to a tough year. That said, I do think their program as a whole is getting the point where they should be able to be a top-40 team regularly, which is a huge improvement from where they were before Art Briles arrived in Waco.

    This post was edited by thejumper5 on 5/25/2012 at 10:17 PM

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  • WingedHelmet said...

    VT has owned the ACC for the past decade. IMO they have the best QB in the league and a very good defense.

    Clemson is loaded with talent and won the ACC last year. People are underestimating them because of the Orange Bowl debacle, but they beat VT twice last year and played far more consistently than FSU.

    FSU has done nothing for as long as I can remember and was ranked something like #5 coming into the 2011 season. You were destroyed by an Oklahoma team that came in third or fourth in the B12 and you ended up third or fourth or fifth in your own league. Why should anyone put FSU ahead of VT or Clemson?

    USC has a great offense but a mediocre defense. Every top 5 USC team I can think of won with defense. USC has a relatively easy schedule this year and maybe that's where the high preseason rankings are coming from, but Oregon will win the P12 (again) this year, not USC. Who would you rather face in a BCSCG, USC or Oregon? I rest my case.

    Clemson has zero OL and DL.

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  • Based on who I think the best teams are, not necessarily how it will shake out.

    1. LSU
    2. Bama
    3. So Cal
    4. Oregon
    5. Oklahoma
    6. Michigan
    7. South Carolina
    8. FSU
    9. Arkansas
    10. Georgia

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  • Red Elephant101 said...

    10.) UF

    Not even close. UF will win 7, maybe 8 games.

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