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  • Anyone who holds office in Fla shouldn't be allowed to run for president. They should have to do something right in their own state first.

    Hurricaniac1228

  • appoo said...

    The Dems don't have anyone to counter the GOP rising stars. Rubio, Daniels, Jindal, Paul Ryan, Christie to name a few. The only one they can counter with is Cuomo, and this country won't elect an elitist liberal from New England. They already rejected Hilary when Obama ran against her as a centrist. 2016 is going to be the year the GOP takes the white house.

    Fail.

    Gavin Newsome.
    Martin O'Malley.
    Elizabeth Warren.
    Andrew Cuomo.
    Hilary Clinton (Yes).

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • TroyTide said...

    I suppose, but these things are unavoidable for the most part. Politics by nature in this country won't allow either party to fix the debt, inflation will rise because of us having to monetize that debt. There are only two ways the Iran situation can go and they are both bad. World Oil demand will continue to rise thus will oil and gas prices. The Euro is on very shaky ground. It's just the way it is.

    Demand for oil will actually plateu soon. Basically once it hits around $120 per barrell, we reach the price where alternative, sustainable, sources are much more impactful. And even then, every year we come up with better, cheaper, sources of energy. That's one thing I'm not really worried about. Technology will win out there.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • would vote for Rubio , think the cat is legit shrug

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    It won't be fruitful though. Politically speaking they might throw it out there, but hammering it in ads or debates during a campaign is just dumb because it is easily counterable.

    Well here is the thing, when, not if, the debt tops $20trillion before 2016 and Obama has served 8 years $10trillion+ of that would have accumulated during his Presidency. Doesn't bode well for the democrats.

    If it's Romney, $5 trillion+ will have accumulated during his term, not good for the GOP either.

    This post was edited by TroyTide on 4/23/2012 at 11:07 PM

    TroyTide

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Fail.

    Gavin Newsome. Martin O'Malley. Elizabeth Warren. Andrew Cuomo. Hilary Clinton (Yes).

    I'd kill myself before voting for Elizabeth Warren. She's lefty version of Paul Ryan. Can't stand either one of them. Both are complete failures of the potential they had.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • not good news for anybody if we dont start taking care of this and now

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    would vote for Rubio , think the cat is legit shrug

    As long as he doesn't get sucked in by the far right, the way Paul Ryan has, he has a very bright future.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • appoo said...

    Obama had very little effect on the debt, for better or for worse. It basically continued on the same path that Bush set it upon. Of course a lot of that had to do with the recession, and losing trillions in Tax Reciepts and the tax cuts which also lost trillions. Criticize him for not doing a better job of CONTAINING debt however.

    The rising deficit as to do with two things: increased spending on beloved sectors from both parties---entitlements,defense---and tax revenue--- declining receipts from the recession and low taxes from recent cuts.

    I don't care what any politician says, the only way to lower the deficit and lower the projected debt growth is to cut spending in every area and raise taxes on everyone.

    Now this would be more advisable when the economy is healthier lest we want to turn into Europe.

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  • appoo said...

    As long as he doesn't get sucked in by the far right, the way Paul Ryan has, he has a very bright future.

    totally agree with you and surely he is not that stupid

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    not good news for anybody if we dont start taking care of this and now

    Simply getting the economy roaring solves the immediate problem. The debt is very much being used as a way to control the populace by leading it into a state of fear - call it the right's version of Global Warming.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • I find it interesting the Republicans are embracing Euro centric economic policies that is driving that continent into the ground.

    ErnieMcCracken ●

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    The rising deficit as to do with two things: increased spending on beloved sectors from both parties---entitlements,defense---and tax revenue--- declining receipts from the recession and low taxes from recent cuts.

    I don't care what any politician says, the only way to lower the deficit and lower the projected debt growth is to cut spending in every area and raise taxes on everyone.

    Now this would be more advisable when the economy is healthier lest we want to turn into Europe.

    hate to say you are right about that but .......deadhorse

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  • appoo said...

    Obama had very little effect on the debt, for better or for worse. It basically continued on the same path that Bush set it upon. Of course a lot of that had to do with the recession, and losing trillions in Tax Reciepts and the tax cuts which also lost trillions. Criticize him for not doing a better job of CONTAINING debt however.

    You are completely missing my point. I am not interested in laying blame in this conversation. I am pointing out the reality of the continuously rising debt and the consequences it will have when it tops $20trillion during the term of whoever wins this election.

    Yes it is both parties fault, but whoever is in power always gets the most blame, whether they deserve it or not. It's just how things on Earth. lol.

    The debt will continue to skyrocket these next five years, and whoever is in power is going to get a lot of blame.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Well here is the thing, when, not if, the debt tops $20trillion before 2016 and Obama has served 8 years $10trillion+ of that would have accumulated during his Presidency. Doesn't bode well for the democrats.

    If it's Romney, $5 trillion+ will have accumulated during his term, not good for the GOP either.

    The debt does not matter right now. We still have borrowing rates at relative lows. We still are essentially the world's currency and greatest investment.

    The bigger task is getting the economy on track. If the economy is at 3.5-5% GDP growth and unemployment under 6% and the deficit relatively cut---compared to current levels---people won't give two shits if the debt hits a nominal level like $20T.

    Because if the economy is growing and the deficit decreasing, the ratio grows smaller or at least grows at a smaller rate.

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  • appoo said...

    I'd kill myself before voting for Elizabeth Warren. She's lefty version of Paul Ryan. Can't stand either one of them. Both are complete failures of the potential they had.

    Democrats have possibilities. I still think Hilary is a shoe-in following a successful second term for BO.

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    totally agree with you and surely he is not that stupid

    Neither is Paul Ryan, but his last two budgets have been emabrressments. He's turned Medicare into a seemingly generous medicare assistance program. .There's two issues I have with this. #1 - if it's a capped program, then there is absolutely NO WAY it will cover insurance for elders - for one thing almost no insurance company will even accept elederly as clients, and if they did, they'd be insanely expensive program (remember that repealing ACA is a big part of his budget, with that comes repealing the Patients Bill of Rights), the other issue? If you DON'T cap premium support, then he just created an entitlement that would be FAR more expensive than medicare is right now.

    Then you consider other entitlements, well no one truly likes them, but the fact of the matter is that he gives MASSIVE tax cuts to the middle class and the rich, and he does it by massively cutting back on education and welfare. Philsophically, believe what you want, but there's absolutely no way you can call that a GOOD thing for the lower middle class and poor. It just cuts away the safety net.

    THAT is Paul Ryan, a smart guy, going far right because the Tea Party is in party right now. That is also the current Republican electorate that the 2016 candidates have to deal with in a primary. How do you get around that? The Republicans used to be a progressive party that cared about the lower middle class and poor, while caring about keeping our debts low. Not simply demonizing those that get help from the state.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    I find it interesting the Republicans are embracing Euro centric economic policies that is driving that continent into the ground.

    You can't claim austerity was driving Europe into the ground. Massive social program did that. A large chunk of the population didn't have to work. They took a good idea, and went too far with it. I do agree that Austerity isn't helping right now however.

    This post was edited by appoo on 4/23/2012 at 11:17 PM

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • TroyTide said...

    You are completely missing my point. I am not interested in laying blame in this conversation. I am pointing out the reality of the continuously rising debt and the consequences it will have when it tops $20trillion during the term of whoever wins this election.

    Yes it is both parties fault, but whoever is in power always gets the most blame, whether they deserve it or not. It's just how things on Earth. lol.

    The debt will continue to skyrocket these next five years, and whoever is in power is going to get a lot of blame.

    We'far so far removed it, we've all forgotten what an economic boom is. That solves A LOT of problems. You have to grow your way out of debt.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • appoo said...

    You can't claim austerity was driving Europe into the ground. Massive social program did that. A large chunk of the population didn't have to work. They took a good idea, and went too far with it. I do agree that Austerity isn't helping right now however.

    PIIGS are in a Catch-22. Most of Northern Europe is back in a recession because of Austerity and PIIGS.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • appoo said...

    Neither is Paul Ryan, but his last two budgets have been emabrressments. He's turned Medicare into a seemingly generous medicare assistance program. .There's two issues I have with this. #1 - if it's a capped program, then there is absolutely NO WAY it will cover insurance for elders - for one thing almost no insurance company will even accept elederly as clients, and if they did, they'd be insanely expensive program (remember that repealing ACA is a big part of his budget, with that comes repealing the Patients Bill of Rights), the other issue? If you DON'T cap premium support, then he just created an entitlement that would be FAR more expensive than medicare is right now.

    Then you consider other entitlements, well no one truly likes them, but the fact of the matter is that he gives MASSIVE tax cuts to the middle class and the rich, and he does it by massively cutting back on education and welfare. Philsophically, believe what you want, but there's absolutely no way you can call that a GOOD thing for the lower middle class and poor. It just cuts away the safety net.

    THAT is Paul Ryan, a smart guy, going far right because the Tea Party is in party right now. That is also the current Republican electorate that the 2016 candidates have to deal with in a primary. How do you get around that? The Republicans used to be a progressive party that cared about the lower middle class and poor, while caring about keeping our debts low. Not simply demonizing those that get help from the state.

    dont disagree with you about Ryan but i really dont think that Rubio has to cower to anybody in order to win , he is well received by most all of the parties ... should be fun to watch

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    dont disagree with you about Ryan but i really dont think that Rubio has to cower to anybody in order to win , he is well received by most all of the parties ... should be fun to watch

    Rubio is a tad too right at the moment for me. He definitely catered to TP in 2010. If he comes back towards the center during a possible VP campaign, he will gain a little more traction with me.

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    BamaLivesFootba

  • i dont disagree but with the lack of alternatives he will have to do shrug you might think that Mitt is too liberal but guess what ...

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    shoeless7777 ●

  • Meanwhile, SS runs out by 2035,Medicare 2024....

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • shoeless7777 said...

    i dont disagree but with the lack of alternatives he will have to do shrug you might think that Mitt is too liberal but guess what ...

    If you want a fun Republican to follow, watch out for Rob McKenna, who's running for Governer here in Washington. I think he's going to win it, and he's got my vote. He seems quite reasonable and moderate, center right.

    A New Direction for Washington State Plan | Rob McKenna for Governor

    http://www.robmckenna.org/newdirection

    www.robmckenna.org

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

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