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Question on one point safety

  • If Oregon had recovered the blocked kick in the end zone then it would have been two points for them, no?

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  • USMCAG said...

    If Oregon had recovered the blocked kick in the end zone then it would have been two points for them, no?

    Believe it would depend on if Kansas St touched it first, but not sure if that would be 1 or 2 points. If Oregon touches it first, balls dead and no points. See Leon Lett.

    Fogtown ●

  • The touching on the blocked kick doesn't count? The defense has to touch the ball again for it to be live?

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  • Pretty sure the answer is no. The offensive team can't advance a kick that is blocked and crosses the line of scrimmage, so it wouldn't make sense to allow a recovery to be worth any points. I would guess you can only get points in the case KSU recovers, then fumbles and oregon recovers in the endzone or if the case played out like last night.

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  • So if KState blocked the kick and landed on the ball in the end zone, without touching it again after the block, would it be a dead ball?

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  • Correct. If they recover it in the end zone it's a touchback, I believe. Had they not touched it at all it's a dead play.

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  • Thanks Fogtown.

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  • USMCAG said...

    So if KState blocked the kick and landed on the ball in the end zone, without touching it again after the block, would it be a dead ball?

    No it still would be a safety. After the block, the ball is not live unless K-State touches it. Doesn't matter if it rolls into the endzone or not, unless K-state touches it, dead ball.

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  • rollingtide2004 said...

    No it still would be a safety. After the block, the ball is not live unless K-State touches it. Doesn't matter if it rolls into the endzone or not, unless K-state touches it, dead ball.

    Not true. K State has to possess it outside of the endzone and go back into the endzone under his own power (aka, not just by momentum) for it to be a safety. If they fall on it in the endzone, it's just dead, not a safety.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Not true. K State has to possess it outside of the endzone and go back into the endzone under his own power (aka, not just by momentum) for it to be a safety. If they fall on it in the endzone, it's just dead, not a safety.

    Not trying to be an ass, but are you 100% sure about this?

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  • rollingtide2004 said...

    Not trying to be an ass, but are you 100% sure about this?

    No, just going by what is logical. It doesn't make sense to be the other way. I surely could be wrong, but based on all other kicking rules and safety rules, it doesn't make sense that a player recovering a blocked kick in his endzone would get called for a safety.

    Safeties are only for - a team has possession outside of the endzone, goes into the endzone, gets tackled (or penalty in the endzone after entering the endzone). There's no situation where a team first obtains possession inside the endzone, never leaves the endzone, and is called for a safety.

    This post was edited by shavisimo2 on 1/4/2013 at 12:19 PM

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  • This rule change brought in play a truly obscure rule: the one-point safety. If a defensive player retreats into his own end zone following an interception, fumble, or blocked kick on a conversion attempt and is tackled there, the tackling team is awarded 1 point. (Similarly, if the converting team retreats into its own end zone and is tackled there, the defense is awarded 1 point, but that end zone is 97 yards away, so this is extremely unlikely.) This rule did exist before 1988, but the defense had no incentive to return a failed conversation, so it had no effect.

    Quirky Research: One-point safety

    http://quirkyresearch.blogspot.com/2006/08/one-point-safety.html

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    This rule change brought in play a truly obscure rule: the one-point safety. If a defensive player retreats into his own end zone following an interception, fumble, or blocked kick on a conversion attempt and is tackled there, the tackling team is awarded 1 point. (Similarly, if the converting team retreats into its own end zone and is tackled there, the defense is awarded 1 point, but that end zone is 97 yards away, so this is extremely unlikely.) This rule did exist before 1988, but the defense had no incentive to return a failed conversation, so it had no effect.

    I know a 2pc intercepted or recovered by the defense and run back is worth 2 points. I had always assumed a blocked PAT run back was worth 2, but I guess your're saying that would be worth 1 point as well?

    This post was edited by rollingtide2004 on 1/4/2013 at 12:30 PM

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  • rollingtide2004 said...

    Not trying to be an ass, but are you 100% sure about this?

    I am. Tipping the kick doesn't count as k-state possessing the ball. It was only because k-state possessed the ball right outside the endzone and went back in. It would be a touchback had the ball landed in the endzone and k-state dove on it there.

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  • rollingtide2004 said...

    I know a 2pc intercepted or recovered by the defense and run back is worth 2 points. I had always assumed a blocked PAT run back was worth 2, but I guess your're saying that would be worth 1 point as well?

    Nope. Blocked PAT return would still by 2 points. The safety is worth 1 because its only worth 2 in timed down situations. Any PAT or conversion TD is worth 2 points.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Pretty sure the answer is no. The offensive team can't advance a kick that is blocked and crosses the line of scrimmage, so it wouldn't make sense to allow a recovery to be worth any points. I would guess you can only get points in the case KSU recovers, then fumbles and oregon recovers in the endzone or if the case played out like last night.

    I'm pretty sure they can. Iowa a couple years ago blocked Northern Iowa's game winning field goal, it went across the line of scrimmage, and Northern Iowa recovered it. Because it was only 3rd down when they attempted it and recovered it across the line of scrimmage they got another shot but Iowa blocked it again.

    This post was edited by UMWolverines on 1/4/2013 at 1:35 PM

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