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Questions I have about about Jesus...

  • I am being dead serious on this one. I am sitting here trying to think about it and I can't figure out why he had such a great influence. I must be forgetting something that I learned after 13 years of Catholic school.

    -He died for our sins. If I was presented with the opportunity to sacrifice myself in order to rescue EVERYONE THAT WILL EVER EXIST in the present and in the future, then I wouldn't even hesitate to agree. Hell, I would do this right now for my family.

    Besides, everyone is going to die, EXCEPT JESUS. He was resurrected and ascended into heaven. Also, Jesus KNEW he was going to heaven afterwards, so where is the sacrifice?

    -He performed miracles If all of the miracles in the Bible are true, then he certainly was a special person. The problem I have is that people are easily deceived, even today. People during that time could only be more influenced.

    There are many "holy people" alive today that have followers that believe they regularly perform divine acts.

    How was Jesus so different?

    -He had followers. Not many though. David Koresh was able to get dozens of people to believe he was the messiah and devote themselves to him. Jesus only had 12 apostles and maybe a handful of others while was alive.

    Perhaps Jesus' greatest accomplishment was setting up for his followers to spread his word successfully. Somehow, a couple dozen people turned into a billion.

    This post was edited by MildReTIDEation on 5/11/2012 at 7:36 AM

    MildReTIDEation

  • Trying to decide how this will go...

    GC4Life709

  • I figured I would get downvoted, but I'm not trying to flame or troll. I am asking the question seriously. I know the title sounds otherwise. I couldn't think of a better one.

    MildReTIDEation

  • MildReTIDEation said...

    I am being dead serious on this one. I am sitting here trying to think about it and I can't figure out why he had such a great influence. I must be forgetting something that I learned after 13 years of Catholic school.

    -He died for our sins. If I was presented with the opportunity to sacrifice myself in order to rescue EVERYONE THAT WILL EVER EXIST in the present and in the future, then I wouldn't even hesitate to agree. Hell, I would do this right now for my family.

    Besides, everyone is going to die, EXCEPT JESUS. He was resurrected and ascended into heaven. Also, Jesus KNEW he was going to heaven afterwards, so where is the sacrifice?

    -He performed miracles If all of the miracles in the Bible are true, then he certainly was a special person. The problem I have is that people are easily deceived, even today. People during that time could only be more influenced.

    There are many "holy people" alive today that have followers that believe they regularly perform divine acts.

    How was Jesus so different?

    -He had followers. Not many though. David Koresh was able to get dozens of people to believe he was the messiah and devote themselves to him. Jesus only had 12 apostles and maybe a handful of others while was alive.

    Perhaps Jesus' greatest accomplishment was setting up for his followers to spread his word successfully. Somehow, a couple dozen people turned into a billion.

    Ever lasting life means you never die.

    what "holy people" today has ever parted waters, turned water into wine, made bread fall from the sky?

    You are under the assumption the disciples were the only ones to hear the word?

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  • No idea what he really did... but it must have been something pretty badass to leave such a legacy

    Fuzz

  • Well...if you want to talk completely secular reasons that Jesus is great, here ya go

    His teachings have stood the test of time better than almost anyones. His principles of co-existing with people is something that millions aspire to today. Its his message that makes him great in the eyes of many, and the fact that he could so clearly state this message, in such a way as to be easily understood today, is why he is revered not only as the son of God, but as a teacher and philosopher.

    I am not a believer myself, but it doesnt take much to see how pervasive and persuasive his words are on todays society.

    AlwaysMore

  • Fuzz said...

    No idea what he really did... but it must have been something pretty badass to leave such a legacy

    But that leads me to ask why so few people were following him at the time of his death. It seems like 1000's of people would have been following him. Doesn't it?

    MildReTIDEation

  • AlwaysMore said...

    Well...if you want to talk completely secular reasons that Jesus is great, here ya go

    His teachings have stood the test of time better than almost anyones. His principles of co-existing with people is something that millions aspire to today. Its his message that makes him great in the eyes of many, and the fact that he could so clearly state this message, in such a way as to be easily understood today, is why he is revered not only as the son of God, but as a teacher and philosopher.

    I am not a believer myself, but it doesnt take much to see how pervasive and persuasive his words are on todays society.

    That is true. I certainly do not oppose anything that he taught.

    My issue may lie more with "organized religions".

    MildReTIDEation

  • Fuzz said...

    No idea what he really did... but it must have been something pretty badass to leave such a legacy

    well said !!

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    But that leads me to ask why so few people were following him at the time of his death. It seems like 1000's of people would have been following him. Doesn't it?

    They were not allowed to use their planes or automobiles then. and they had crappy news papers and internet connections.

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  • Ummm...he's only the 2nd greatest super hero of all time.

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    devidee

  • Dawg E. Style said...

    Ever lasting life means you never die.

    what "holy people" today has ever parted waters, turned water into wine, made bread fall from the sky?

    You are under the assumption the disciples were the only ones to hear the word?

    I do that daily. Id show you, but I think it's better you just have faith. I'll pm you my address, please send me 10% of your income.

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  • devidee said...

    Ummm...he's only the 2nd greatest super hero of all time.

    behind UFM?

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    InTresslWeTrust

  • Dawg E. Style said...

    Ever lasting life means you never die.

    what "holy people" today has ever parted waters, turned water into wine, made bread fall from the sky?

    You are under the assumption the disciples were the only ones to hear the word?

    I'm not saying those things didn't happen. If they did, then Jesus hands down is divine. I wish these acts would still be done for the rest of us to witness.

    You can easily find people alive today that have followers absolutely convinced they perform miracles. It is those people that make me hesitant to 100% believe the accounts witnessed in the Bible.

    MildReTIDEation

  • MildReTIDEation said...

    But that leads me to ask why so few people were following him at the time of his death. It seems like 1000's of people would have been following him. Doesn't it?

    A couple of things there.

    Israel in 20 or 30 AD was not exactly a mecca of easy communication and vast cities. Jesus only taught for 2 or 3 years, maximum, and it was long enough to get the attention of not only Rome, but the most powerful members of Jewish society.

    He did pretty well with such a short amount of time, in a very primitive culture.

    AlwaysMore

  • Dawg E. Style said...

    They were not allowed to use their planes or automobiles then. and they had crappy news papers and internet connections.

    But Jesus spoke in front of large crowds and performed miracles. He surely interacted with at least 100's of people right? I may be wrong.

    This post was edited by MildReTIDEation on 5/10/2012 at 2:56 PM

    MildReTIDEation

  • MildReTIDEation said...

    I am being dead serious on this one. I am sitting here trying to think about it and I can't figure out why he had such a great influence. I must be forgetting something that I learned after 13 years of Catholic school.

    -He died for our sins. If I was presented with the opportunity to sacrifice myself in order to rescue EVERYONE THAT WILL EVER EXIST in the present and in the future, then I wouldn't even hesitate to agree. Hell, I would do this right now for my family.

    Besides, everyone is going to die, EXCEPT JESUS. He was resurrected and ascended into heaven. Also, Jesus KNEW he was going to heaven afterwards, so where is the sacrifice?

    -He performed miracles If all of the miracles in the Bible are true, then he certainly was a special person. The problem I have is that people are easily deceived, even today. People during that time could only be more influenced.

    There are many 'holy people' alive today that have followers that believe they regularly perform divine acts.

    How was Jesus so different?

    -He had followers. Not many though. David Koresh was able to get dozens of people to believe he was the messiah and devote themselves to him. Jesus only had 12 apostles and maybe a handful of others while was alive.

    Perhaps Jesus' greatest accomplishment was setting up for his followers to spread his word successfully. Somehow, a couple dozen people turned into a billion.

    Kim Kardashian has 14.6 million followers, lets hope that number doesn't continue to rise after she dies

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    InTresslWeTrust

  • AlwaysMore said...

    A couple of things there.

    Israel in 20 or 30 AD was not exactly a mecca of easy communication and vast cities. Jesus only taught for 2 or 3 years, maximum, and it was long enough to get the attention of not only Rome, but the most powerful members of Jewish society.

    He did pretty well with such a short amount of time, in a very primitive culture.

    thats what I said...in a sense lol

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    But Jesus spoke in front of large crowds and performed miracles. He surely interacted with at least 100's of people right? I may be wrong.

    You have to understand, this was all new to them and Rome did not like it. People were afraid and confused.

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    But Jesus spoke in front of large crowds and performed miracles. He surely interacted with at least 100's of people right? I may be wrong.

    His ideas were pretty revolutionary, and threatened the elite and powerful of the time period. As Mel Gibson could tell you, if he could stop drinking long enough, he was not well liked among most Jews of the period. Since he spoke almost exclusively to Jews, its not surprising that his message was not taken with any good nature.

    If Christ was right, it means that Judiasm is a dead religion. Pretty much everything about it is revised and updated by Christian teachings. That is why Jews did not accept Jesus, despite him being Jewish himself.

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    A couple of things there.

    Israel in 20 or 30 AD was not exactly a mecca of easy communication and vast cities. Jesus only taught for 2 or 3 years, maximum, and it was long enough to get the attention of not only Rome, but the most powerful members of Jewish society.

    He did pretty well with such a short amount of time, in a very primitive culture.

    Hmm, that is a pretty good answer. Thanks. I will read about it a little more.

    MildReTIDEation

  • InTresslWeTrust said...

    behind UFM?

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    devidee

  • Slayed the dragon

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    CptAUmerica21

  • AlwaysMore said...

    His ideas were pretty revolutionary, and threatened the elite and powerful of the time period. As Mel Gibson could tell you, if he could stop drinking long enough, he was not well liked among most Jews of the period. Since he spoke almost exclusively to Jews, its not surprising that his message was not taken with any good nature.

    If Christ was right, it means that Judiasm is a dead religion. Pretty much everything about it is revised and updated by Christian teachings. That is why Jews did not accept Jesus, despite him being Jewish himself.

    Thanks for these explanations. They make a lot of sense. Same goes to you, Dawg. Thanks for not just writing me off as a hater.

    I still wonder why his miracles didn't convert more people. Curing blindness (that guy should have been a follower at least), feeding 5,000 from a couple of loaves and fish, etc.

    MildReTIDEation

  • He cared about and cared for people, even when they may not have deserved it - always.

    Rook

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