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Questions I have about about Jesus...

  • MildReTIDEation said...

    [b] I guess I still don't fully realize the magnitude of what Jesus experienced for our sins. But if Jesus is God, then any suffering would be with the knowledge of heaven and knowing everything. I can't help but think that detracts from the significance a little. [b]

    Actually that adds significance...God is soooo full if love for his creation (even after we turned our back on him and exchanged the truth for a lie) that He himself would come and subject Himself to be treated less than God. He is a good God and a jealous God...sin had a price and He himself paid it. God is love.

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  • 48GAMECOCK said...

    Actually that adds significance...God is soooo full if love for his creation (even after we turned our back on him and exchanged the truth for a lie) that He himself would come and subject Himself to be treated less than God. He is a good God and a jealous God...sin had a price and He himself paid it. God is love.

    Guys, if you keep describing all the great deeds I did, I'm going to get a complex.

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    But that leads me to ask why so few people were following him at the time of his death. It seems like 1000's of people would have been following him. Doesn't it?

    Hundreds, if not thousands of people welcomed him into the city on Palm Sunday, but they were expecting a political ruler who would overthrow the Romans. Upon his capture and death, the vast majority gave up on his idea entirely and began looking for a new Messiah who would fit their preconceived notions.

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    How do you know?

    Do you believe George Washington was the first president of the United States? Do you believe Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclaimation? Were you there? If you believe these things, and were not there, you are relying on at least some level of faith. Just a couple of examples.

    This post was edited by Gibber71 on 5/10/2012 at 4:48 PM

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  • Gibber71 said...

    Do you believe George Washington was the first president of the United States? Do you believe Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclaimation? Were you there? If you believe these things, and were not there, you are relying on at least some level of faith. Just a couple of examples.

    These are just terrible examples. How do I even know you're not Jesus?

    But you aren't far off. I believe George Washington was the first President because their is enough amount of evidence that he was that you kind of have to. Here's a better example.
    Do you believe that George Washington could not tell a lie? That he chopped down a cherry tree as a kid?
    I don't. These are thing made up about him by those in power for a political purpose.

    Do you believe the Civil War was started to free the slaves? I don't. That is revisionist history made up by those in power to serve a political purpose.

    Do you believe Kim Jong Il golfed an 18? I don't. That is something made up to serve a political purpose.

    If you believe any of those things, you are an idiot.

    But here are some better examples.

    OP, do you believe Atlantis existed? I don't. But I can't fault you if you do. There's evidence it did, just not enough to convince me.

    Do you believe Socrates existed? I do. There is enough evidence to convince me, even if most of that evidence comes from the same person who provides much of the evidence on Atlantis.

    I had a professor who didn't believe in either. He believed both were made up by Plato as story telling devices, or in the case of Atlantis, he revived it's story.

    I believe that someone that the image of Jesus is based on lived, and probably was a religious figure who probably was a good dude. I do not believe he was the son of god, or that he performed any of the miracles that are credited to him. Those are the same thing to me as George Washington and never telling a lie. Stuff made up to serve a political purpose. It's also been revised as power has changed to fit other political purposes.

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  • This thread has no business here. Yes I'm somewhat offended.

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  • What has Phillip Marshal ever done that was so great? I mean besides writing Alabama articles?

    There....... just wanted to officially get this thread deleted.peace

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  • Shabutie said...

    Your posts in this thread have been solid but this one is a little bit off to me in one area.

    You are correct that he was not well-liked by most Jews but it is not Judaism he was against... it was Rabbinical Judaism and the oral laws and traditions that had been fought and argued over for years and years by Pharisees and Sadducees. Many things have been twisted to where they look like he was against the written laws of the OT but that is just untrue. For example, Jesus pronouncing all food clean was in reference to hand washing. There was a huge debate going on about hands needing to be washed before the meal, with the Pharisees being very legalistic in their approach. Saying that all foods were pronounced clean is just a huge translation and context error. He ceremonial made food clean but in no way did that get rid of Kashrut. At this time, when food was being discussed to Jews, it was not referring to non-kosher foods because ONLY kosher foods were, in fact, food. This is something that every Jewish person Jesus spoke to knew.

    Sorry for that tangent. To me, that was a good example of one of many, many things that made Jesus appear to be anti Jewish when he was actually a Jewish Rabbi. His message was not this completely new and different message from the OT. When he said to write the laws on your heart, that was not a new revelation... that was quoting God directly in Deuteronomy. He even said that he who disobeys the LEAST of these commandments will be called least in the kingdom of heaven and that is AFTER he got done saying that he did not come to abolish the law.

    Many Jews did not accept Jesus because he was against their man-made traditions and doctrine. Not because he was anti-Jewish.

    Sorry..I did not mean to imply that Jesus was anti Jewish. Just that most high ranking Jews of that era and in that region did not regard him in a favorable light.

    I have never thought that Jesus disliked or was disdainful of Jews. Quite the opposite, since almost all his teaching and work occurred entirely in Jewish society.

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    How do you know?

    There is plenty of physical evidence of the Roman Empire. Even beyond the countless written accounts, there are millions of artifacts, from the Coliseum all the way down to Roman coins that people still find in troves today.,

    Thats not a very good comparison, since there is no physical evidence of the existence of Christ.

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  • I'm very disappointed in our mods right now

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    I'm very disappointed in our mods right now

    ?
    Not even fishing here, what is out of line in this thread? There are a lot of threads discussing religion, and everyone has been civil ITT?

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    ?
    Not even fishing here, what is out of line in this thread? There are a lot of threads discussing religion, and everyone has been civil ITT?

    This is a sports board. Gtfo with this shit. I'm not even really religious

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    This is a sports board. Gtfo with this shit. I'm not even really religious

    USMCAG started about 13 threads titled OBAMA
    There is a thread about gay marriage
    There is the daily prayers / support thread
    OT stuff is pretty common on this board. Not RCMB common, but pretty common.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    USMCAG started about 13 threads titled OBAMA
    There is a thread about gay marriage
    There is the daily prayers / support thread
    OT stuff is pretty common on this board. Not RCMB common, but pretty common.

    I see there are grey areas but an anti jesus thread? Come on man have some sense

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    I see there are grey areas but an anti jesus thread? Come on man have some sense

    It is clear you haven't even read the thread. Thanks for your misinformed opinion though.

    MildReTIDEation

  • I'm a Christian and I approve of this thread.

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    It is clear you haven't even read the thread. Thanks for your misinformed opinion though.

    I apologize

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    Sorry..I did not mean to imply that Jesus was anti Jewish. Just that most high ranking Jews of that era and in that region did not regard him in a favorable light.

    I have never thought that Jesus disliked or was disdainful of Jews. Quite the opposite, since almost all his teaching and work occurred entirely in Jewish society.

    Ok, I understand you now.

    Sorry for the overreaction.

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  • He rose from the dead. How many people do you know that did that? Don't say Bear Bryant either.

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  • NDPhilly said...

    He rose from the dead. How many people do you know that did that? Don't say Bear Bryant either.

    I did this. Thrice.

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  • Rocket_Play said...

    I did this. Thrice.

    With 500 witnesses?! Lol

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  • Shane8773 said...

    With 500 witnesses?! Lol

    1000 actually.

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  • Super Scooter said...

    You will go to hell and I'm happy about that.

    Happy to have some company down there?

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    My question to you is the same as to goodnews:

    If Jesus is God, then any suffering would be with the knowledge of heaven and knowing everything. I can't help but think that detracts from the significance a little.

    Also, I would expect God/Jesus to easily be free of sin, since the Bible describes sin as the breaking, or transgression, of God's law. How difficult would it be to not break your own laws?

    How many times a day do you break the speed limit?

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  • MildReTIDEation said...

    His message didn't ring true to a fallen world until His death and resurrection.

    That is a good line. That sticks out as a moment the "Jesus" story could/should take off like wildfire. Thanks.

    I guess I still don't fully realize the magnitude of what Jesus experienced for our sins. But if Jesus is God, then any suffering would be with the knowledge of heaven and knowing everything. I can't help but think that detracts from the significance a little.

    If what he experienced was so incredibly terrible, then that leads me to question the existence of Hell being a proper punishment for modern people who might lack faith or were never exposed to Christianity. I don't want to derail the thread though, so lets shelve that topic.

    You're welcome. And, you've offered another good observation. Jesus is/was/always will be God. That didn't change with His incarnation. However, with the same height He had in his "godness" he also experienced the same degree of extreme separation on the Cross. He literally had to experience hell for us. The Bible describes hell, most often, as a place of terrible separation from God. Since there is no time in heaven and hell one moment in each is like an eternity. His separation from the Father would have been eternally worse than ours. To your last point, hell isn't so much a place that God banishes us to as it is a place we'd prefer to go than heaven. Heaven is a place where God, among other things, is continually worshipped. We don't naturally want the biblical God. Hell is the natural fulfillment of a life lived in arrogance toward God. Hellbound individuals would hate heaven. In hell they can continue their hatred for God's rightful authority and continue in their irrational notions of their own "godness."

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