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MildReTIDEation said...
I see a couple people spent all of their downvotes on me in here. Would you like to tell me why? I thought I was fairly reasonable and open throughout this thread. That kind of reaction seems silly.
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These are just terrible examples. How do I even know you're not Jesus?
But you aren't far off. I believe George Washington was the first President because their is enough amount of evidence that he was that you kind of have to. Here's a better example. Do you believe that George Washington could not tell a lie? That he chopped down a cherry tree as a kid? I don't. These are thing made up about him by those in power for a political purpose.
Do you believe the Civil War was started to free the slaves? I don't. That is revisionist history made up by those in power to serve a political purpose.
Do you believe Kim Jong Il golfed an 18? I don't. That is something made up to serve a political purpose.
If you believe any of those things, you are an idiot.
But here are some better examples.
OP, do you believe Atlantis existed? I don't. But I can't fault you if you do. There's evidence it did, just not enough to convince me.
Do you believe Socrates existed? I do. There is enough evidence to convince me, even if most of that evidence comes from the same person who provides much of the evidence on Atlantis.
I had a professor who didn't believe in either. He believed both were made up by Plato as story telling devices, or in the case of Atlantis, he revived it's story.
I believe that someone that the image of Jesus is based on lived, and probably was a religious figure who probably was a good dude. I do not believe he was the son of god, or that he performed any of the miracles that are credited to him. Those are the same thing to me as George Washington and never telling a lie. Stuff made up to serve a political purpose. It's also been revised as power has changed to fit other political purposes.
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Rocket_Play said...
These are just terrible examples. How do I even know you're not Jesus?
But you aren't far off. I believe George Washington was the first President because their is enough amount of evidence that he was that you kind of have to. Here's a better example. Do you believe that George Washington could not tell a lie? That he chopped down a cherry tree as a kid? I don't. These are thing made up about him by those in power for a political purpose.
Do you believe the Civil War was started to free the slaves? I don't. That is revisionist history made up by those in power to serve a political purpose.
Do you believe Kim Jong Il golfed an 18? I don't. That is something made up to serve a political purpose.
If you believe any of those things, you are an idiot.
But here are some better examples.
OP, do you believe Atlantis existed? I don't. But I can't fault you if you do. There's evidence it did, just not enough to convince me.
Do you believe Socrates existed? I do. There is enough evidence to convince me, even if most of that evidence comes from the same person who provides much of the evidence on Atlantis.
I had a professor who didn't believe in either. He believed both were made up by Plato as story telling devices, or in the case of Atlantis, he revived it's story.
I believe that someone that the image of Jesus is based on lived, and probably was a religious figure who probably was a good dude. I do not believe he was the son of god, or that he performed any of the miracles that are credited to him. Those are the same thing to me as George Washington and never telling a lie. Stuff made up to serve a political purpose. It's also been revised as power has changed to fit other political purposes.
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Why do you say there is enough evidence to believe in George Washington? Were you there? What evidence is there? It's just a bunch of stories written down by men and passed on through hundreds of years. Who knows if we even have the stories right now? How do we know he actually crossed the Delaware river? What evidence is there besides because somebody says so?
Of course I believe all these things, because there is sufficient legal/historical evidence to reasonably think it happened, just like you said. I believe the gospels were written and being circulated by the end of the first century, and if they were full of crap, there were still enough people alive who witnessed the life of Jesus that they would have called them out on it and the writers' stories wouldn't have any validity.
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Mich&RedWingFan said...
Now Ghandi is Satan's bitch while murders can be in heaven with Jesus if they feel sorry for their sins and repent ... sucks to be Ghandi.
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The point that I believe the other poster was trying to make was regarding the manuscript evidence. Of course GW was a historical figure. I've never met him but the manuscripts evidence for him is very good. It's good enough that we can glean, with a fair amount of certainty, much of who he was, what he said, and what he did. The thing is, the manuscript evidence for Jesus of Nazareth, who lived much earlier than GW, is monumentally better. And, it's supremely better than some of the other figures you mentioned. Rejection of the Biblical Jesus only demonstrates bias, not an understanding of the manuscript evidence or an understanding of literary and source criticism.
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The point that I believe the other poster was trying to make was regarding the manuscript evidence. Of course GW was a historical figure. I've never met him but the manuscripts evidence for him is very good. It's good enough that we can glean, with a fair amount of certainty, much of who he was, what he said, and what he did. The thing is, the manuscript evidence for Jesus of Nazareth, who lived much earlier than GW, is monumentally better. And, it's supremely better than some of the other figures you mentioned. Rejection of the Biblical Jesus only demonstrates bias, not an understanding of the manuscript evidence or an understanding of literary and source criticism.
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We have actual writings of Washington. Not just people writing down what he may or may not have said, but physical evidence of his writings.
We have multiple artists creating multiple images of Washington, from various points in his life. Those images all have enough similarities that we can recognize what he looked like.
We have writers of the day, from many different places, all whom wrote about Washingtons appearance and character traits. Hundreds more than Jesus of Nazareth.
We have a multiple government and official documents, from French, American, British and other sources, that all mention Washington.
We even have the remains of a body, buried in a clearly marked grave, right there in Mt. Vernon that, if forced to, we could dig up today.
Outside of the four Gospels, there is no direct writings about Jesus. None of his actual writings, if he had any, have survived. No mention of Jesus has been found in any government or official documents from the era. No attempts at any artwork or images of Jesus from that era have been discovered.
So what is this manuscript evidence you speak of?
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We have multiple artists creating multiple images of Washington, from various points in his life. Those images all have enough similarities that we can recognize what he looked like.
We have a multiple government and official documents, from French, American, British and other sources, that all mention Washington.
We even have the remains of a body, buried in a clearly marked grave, right there in Mt. Vernon that, if forced to, we could dig up today.
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MildReTIDEation said...
I am being dead serious on this one. I am sitting here trying to think about it and I can't figure out why he had such a great influence. I must be forgetting something that I learned after 13 years of Catholic school.
-He died for our sins. If I was presented with the opportunity to sacrifice myself in order to rescue EVERYONE THAT WILL EVER EXIST in the present and in the future, then I wouldn't even hesitate to agree. Hell, I would do this right now for my family.
Besides, everyone is going to die, EXCEPT JESUS. He was resurrected and ascended into heaven. Also, Jesus KNEW he was going to heaven afterwards, so where is the sacrifice?
-He performed miracles If all of the miracles in the Bible are true, then he certainly was a special person. The problem I have is that people are easily deceived, even today. People during that time could only be more influenced.
There are many "holy people" alive today that have followers that believe they regularly perform divine acts.
How was Jesus so different?
-He had followers. Not many though. David Koresh was able to get dozens of people to believe he was the messiah and devote themselves to him. Jesus only had 12 apostles and maybe a handful of others while was alive.
Perhaps Jesus' greatest accomplishment was setting up for his followers to spread his word successfully. Somehow, a couple dozen people turned into a billion.
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ilovelamp51 said...
Exactly. I don't like putting it that way because it sounds like my motives are out of line but it's 100% legit. If you are a right, I lived a good life, did a lot of good for others & died happy. If you are wrong... no bueno. I just can't see a downside to living a Christian lifestyle.
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