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Rank 2012 SEC QBs

  • HobnailedBoots said...

    MUrray threw more TD's than anybody in the SEC by a wide margin, so if you don't have him in the top 3, you're being a ridiculous homer.

    Connor Shaw the best athlete of the group? Yeah, you ARE a ridiculous homer.

    The only thing ridiculous is the obvious lack of understanding that you have of other SEC QB's and what really makes QB's great. WHo did UGA beat this year of significance? He choked on more than one occasion when it counted. SO, he doesn't deserve to be in the top-3 until he proves he's a man when it matters even if he pads his stats against average teams. And, not understanding Shaw's athleticism shows you don't know other QB's. Nice try though.

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  • Brian Henry said...

    You were unimpressed by McCarron and Connor Shaw is going to be top-3 and is the best athlete in the group?

    K

    You must be related to the UGA poster above. I thought McCarron played great in the title game. I thought he's the reason you guys won. I wasn't impressed with him earlier in the year. He was ok, but not great. And, his no TD's and 1 INT performance against LSU during the season left me underwhelmed. I thought he could be something of a game manager, ala McElroy, but not great. Now, I've changed my mind b/c of his development. Maybe you could watch the Gamecocks play more often before you discuss C. Shaw. Please do so.

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  • I think the league has a lot of good quarterbacks next year but none of them are great. I think Wilson is clearly the best of the bunch if he returns. He won't have as many weapons next year and I think Arkansas will run the ball a lot more. I have never been sold on Murray, kid just blows up stats against weak teams. I have never seen him have a great game against a great team. Honestly, I think AJ and Bray are better than him and will both have better seasons next year.

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  • goodnews said...

    The only thing ridiculous is the obvious lack of understanding that you have of other SEC QB's and what really makes QB's great. WHo did UGA beat this year of significance? He choked on more than one occasion when it counted. SO, he doesn't deserve to be in the top-3 until he proves he's a man when it matters even if he pads his stats against average teams. And, not understanding Shaw's athleticism shows you don't know other QB's. Nice try though.

    LOLOL Gamecocks and your delusional fantasies.

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  • I say...ALL OF THEM ARE GREAT!!!!!!!sarcasmsurrenderlol

    NDcarson2011

  • NDcarson2011 said...

    I say...ALL OF THEM ARE GREAT!!!!!!!sarcasmsurrenderlol

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  • EXACTLY!!! I CAN JUDGE BAD QBs!type_angrycrackwhip

    This post was edited by NDcarson2011 on 1/11/2012 at 12:12 PM

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  • HobnailedBoots said...

    LOLOL Gamecocks and your delusional fantasies.

    Ok, now I know I'm talking to a kid. Grown ups know that LOL's are silly on a board like this. Let me lay it out for you in a simple way. Carolina has taken 2 in a row from the Dawgs, and 3 of the last 5. We've been recruiting well recently too. Your response offered no substance other than a "LOL" and an unfounded assertion about our fanbase. I'll bet we beat you again next year in Columbia too. Murray hasn't shown he can win against good teams. He may be the most talented of all the SEC QB's, but he can't be in the top-3 until he plays well when it really counts. All facts, no delusion.

    This post was edited by goodnews on 1/11/2012 at 12:52 PM

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  • FLOBama said...

    I think the league has a lot of good quarterbacks next year but none of them are great. I think Wilson is clearly the best of the bunch if he returns. He won't have as many weapons next year and I think Arkansas will run the ball a lot more. I have never been sold on Murray, kid just blows up stats against weak teams. I have never seen him have a great game against a great team. Honestly, I think AJ and Bray are better than him and will both have better seasons next year.

    Now this was a sensible post. Although, I don't know if Bray is better than Murray. Maybe he is.

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  • Stafford didn't really ever win the big games... some people who did: Leinart, Sanchez, Tim Tebow. Point being that your point is irrelevant. The people who make a living off of evaluating talent say Murray is legit. I know it's all opinion, but I would really question someone who uses this logic. Otherwise AJ McCarron and Jordan Jefferson were the best two in the SEC. Georgia's line is very sub par in the SEC. Follow that with a pretty lack luster run game, then yes he does struggle against teams that throw his blockers around like toothpicks and stops nearly all run attempts in the backfield. Connor Shaw being compared to Murray is laughable. I don't care what the stats say. Stats are for chumps and assistant coaches. Don't let numbers on paper dilute your common sense.

    AJ Green caught passes from three different QB's. What did he say about Murray? He wouldm't be surprised if Murray won Heisman. I believe that your hate for UGA and need for numbers on paper for validation has clouded your ability to see talent.

    This post was edited by SmithDawg48 on 1/11/2012 at 1:08 PM

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  • jkt360 said...
    Connor Shaw being compared to Murray is laughable. I don't care what the stats say.

    lol that makes complete sense. so the argument that he isn't clutch doesn't hold water. the argument he can't win the big games doesn't hold water. and now not even stats matter!

    well since stats are for losers and you don't care what they say, you can ignore this:

    24 Connor Shaw, QB 148.3

    27 Aaron Murray, QB 146.4

    thats 2011 QB efficiency rating homeslice. oh yeah and Shaw had his first starts this year.

    Aaron Murray is a 4'11" girl judging by these pictures (pre- and post- midget toss)

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  • cockengr said...

    lol that makes complete sense. so the argument that he isn't clutch doesn't hold water. the argument he can't win the big games doesn't hold water. and now not even stats matter!

    well since stats are for losers and you don't care what they say, you can ignore this:

    24 Connor Shaw, QB 148.3

    27 Aaron Murray, QB 146.4

    thats 2011 QB efficiency rating homeslice. oh yeah and Shaw had his first starts this year.

    Aaron Murray is a 4'11" girl judging by these pictures (pre- and post- midget toss)

    uhhh... touche? i guess. nice stats

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  • The old saying goes, "If you have two starting QBs than you don't have one." While we are talking about competition between teams, not just one time, I think it is clear that from these comments there are no QBs in the SEC next year that are entering as obviously the best amongs them all. I hope somebody steps up and takes charge and keeps SEC defenses honest b/c lets be serious, the best player on Alabama's defense was Jordan Jefferson...

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  • jkt360 said...

    uhhh... touche? i guess. nice stats

    I won't say that those stats say Shaw is better. I WILL say you can't say comparing the two is "laughable" when their QB efficiency ratings are close to identical.

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  • 2011 SEC Passer Efficiency Rankings Post Bowl (of returning players)

    SEC Rank - Name - rating (national rank)

    1. Tyler Wilson (Arky) - 148.35 (22)
    2. Connor Shaw (USCe) - 148.31 (23)
    3. AJ McCarron (Bama) - 147.27 (25)
    4. Aaron Murray (UGA) - 146.41 (26)
    5. Tyler Bray (UT) - 144.80 (32)
    6. James Franklin (Mizz) - 139.88 (38)
    7. Tyler Russell (MSU) - 135.10 (52)
    8. Clint Moseley (AU) - 133.10 (56)
    9. Randall Mackey (Miss) - 118.39 (88)
    10. Jordan Rodgers (Vandy) - 113.76 (96)
    11. Morgan Newton (UK) - 93.10 (lower than 100)

    Andrea Doria

  • Seems to be there is a clear top 6 and everyone else, and then a clear wild-card in Mettenberger.

    Andrea Doria

  • cockengr said...

    I won't say that those stats say Shaw is better. I WILL say you can't say comparing the two is "laughable" when their QB efficiency ratings are close to identical.

    Oh I can the same as when I LMAO at USCe fans using stats to compare AJ Green and Alshon. While your stats are an excellent measure of what a person has done, they are in no way valid when comparing talent of two individuals. While I would not dare say that Aaron and Connor didn't have comparable years last year, I will continue to LMAO when USCe fans come trying to make a case that he is comparable in talent.

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  • jkt360 said...

    Stafford didn't really ever win the big games... some people who did: Leinart, Sanchez, Tim Tebow. Point being that your point is irrelevant. The people who make a living off of evaluating talent say Murray is legit. I know it's all opinion, but I would really question someone who uses this logic. Otherwise AJ McCarron and Jordan Jefferson were the best two in the SEC. Georgia's line is very sub par in the SEC. Follow that with a pretty lack luster run game, then yes he does struggle against teams that throw his blockers around like toothpicks and stops nearly all run attempts in the backfield. Connor Shaw being compared to Murray is laughable. I don't care what the stats say. Stats are for chumps and assistant coaches. Don't let numbers on paper dilute your common sense.

    AJ Green caught passes from three different QB's. What did he say about Murray? He wouldm't be surprised if Murray won Heisman. I believe that your hate for UGA and need for numbers on paper for validation has clouded your ability to see talent.

    I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure what your point is. You say talent evaluators say that Murray is legit. I said in my previous post that he's the most "talented" guy in the SEC. So we agree. But, talent alone does no a great QB make. And, I never compared Shaw to Murray. All I said is that Shaw is the best athlete amongst the group. None of the Qb's mentioned can run with Shaw. He's (Shaw) also shown an ability to throw the ball of late. I just think that after a little more experience he'll be very good. And, I have good reason to think that. And, don't talk to Gamecocks about O-Line's who struggle to pass block.

    Also, "stats are for chumps and assistant coaches" but playing well (or not playing well) in big games doesn't mean much? I just don't know what to say. Please, before you question someone's logic or common sense check your own.

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  • Andrea Doria said...

    2011 SEC Passer Efficiency Rankings Post Bowl (of returning players)

    SEC Rank - Name - rating (national rank)

    1. Tyler Wilson (Arky) - 148.35 (22) 2. Connor Shaw (USCe) - 148.31 (23) 3. AJ McCarron (Bama) - 147.27 (25) 4. Aaron Murray (UGA) - 146.41 (26) 5. Tyler Bray (UT) - 144.80 (32) 6. James Franklin (Mizz) - 139.88 (38) 7. Tyler Russell (MSU) - 135.10 (52) 8. Clint Moseley (AU) - 133.10 (56) 9. Randall Mackey (Miss) - 118.39 (88) 10. Jordan Rodgers (Vandy) - 113.76 (96) 11. Morgan Newton (UK) - 93.10 (lower than 100)

    Thanks. And, add to that C. Shaw's athleticism over the top-5 and I repeat what I, very logically and sensibly, said in my first post..."C. Shaw will be considered a top-3 Qb in the SEC at the end of next year."

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  • goodnews said...

    Thanks. And, add to that C. Shaw's athleticism over the top-5 and I repeat what I, very logically and sensibly, said in my first post..."C. Shaw will be considered a top-3 Qb in the SEC at the end of next year."

    I think as of right now the guys who have proven to best the most consistent players against good teams are

    Tyler Wilson
    Aaron Murray
    Conner Shaw
    AJ McCarron
    James Franklin

    We'll see how Franklin adjusts to the SEC, but my guess is he'll be pretty good.

    I've been saying this for 2 years, but I'd like to see Tyler Bray play well and beat somebody with a pulse before I put him in the Top 2 or 3 QBs in the league. He played the full Florida game and almost all of the UGA game and was not impressive. And then we know what a disaster he was post-injury, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt with the injury.

    Andrea Doria

  • goodnews said...

    I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure what your point is. You say talent evaluators say that Murray is legit. I said in my previous post that he's the most "talented" guy in the SEC. So we agree. But, talent alone does no a great QB make. And, I never compared Shaw to Murray. All I said is that Shaw is the best athlete amongst the group. None of the Qb's mentioned can run with Shaw. He's (Shaw) also shown an ability to throw the ball of late. I just think that after a little more experience he'll be very good. And, I have good reason to think that. And, don't talk to Gamecocks about O-Line's who struggle to pass block.

    Also, "stats are for chumps and assistant coaches" but playing well (or not playing well) in big games doesn't mean much? I just don't know what to say. Please, before you question someone's logic or common sense check your own.

    OK dr. logic tell me how Matt Stafford was a #1 overall and show me what big games he won... Greg McElroy never lost a game as a starting QB until his Junior year in College. Is he better than Murray? Is he better than Stafford?

    Surely you can follow my point cause you were able to figure out how to type. If you point is Murray is not good because he has not won big games, and then I show you QB's who also did not and are very good even #1 Overall NFL draft picks who didn't win big games, then you reasoning is flawed. Not that difficult IMO

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  • jkt360 said...

    Oh I can the same as when I LMAO at USCe fans using stats to compare AJ Green and Alshon. While your stats are an excellent measure of what a person has done, they are in no way valid when comparing talent of two individuals. While I would not dare say that Aaron and Connor didn't have comparable years last year, I will continue to LMAO when USCe fans come trying to make a case that he is comparable in talent.

    Says the guy that probably used stats to compare Green and Julio like every other UGA fan did.

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  • Bamafan8 said...

    Says the guy that probably used stats to compare Green and Julio like every other UGA fan did.

    Remember when W. Ealey = Trent?

    That was good stuff.

    Andrea Doria

  • Bamafan8 said...

    Says the guy that probably used stats to compare Green and Julio like every other UGA fan did.

    ^^^ Can't Interpret what he reads ^^^

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  • AJ went # 4 went Julio #6

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by SmithDawg48 on 1/11/2012 at 2:15 PM

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