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Rank 2012 SEC QBs

  • jkt360 said...

    ^^^ Can't Interpret what he reads ^^^

    Were you not trying to say that you can't use stats to compare the talent levels of individuals?

    If not ^^^Can't turn simple thoughts into comprehendable sentences^^^

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  • jkt360 said...

    OK dr. logic tell me how Matt Stafford was a #1 overall and show me what big games he won... Greg McElroy never lost a game as a starting QB until his Junior year in College. Is he better than Murray? Is he better than Stafford?

    Surely you can follow my point cause you were able to figure out how to type. If you point is Murray is not good because he has not won big games, and then I show you QB's who also did not and are very good even #1 Overall NFL draft picks who didn't win big games, then you reasoning is flawed. Not that difficult IMO

    Are playing well in/winning big games and taking care of the football factors to be considered when ranking the best QBs in a given league?

    Pedro Guerrero

  • Pedro Guerrero said...

    Are playing well in/winning big games and taking care of the football factors to be considered when ranking the best QBs in a given league?

    I was thinking the question was "Rank the SEC QBs" not "Who will get drafted higher"

    Andrea Doria

  • Bamafan8 said...

    Were you not trying to say that you can't use stats to compare the talent levels of individuals?

    If not ^^^Can't turn simple thoughts into comprehendable sentences^^^

    Not sure if serious

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  • BOL_Andrea Doria said...

    I was thinking the question was "Rank the SEC QBs" not "Who will get drafted higher"

    Sorry OP meant to say list QB stats and do not use brain

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  • jkt360 said...

    AJ went # 4 went Julio #6

    And both are outstanding WRs. I'm just pointed out the fact that while the whole debate of who was better while both were in college, UGA fans went to stats. Which are obviously skewed do to offensive philosophy.

    Just be glad Murray and the puppies caught the mercy of the SEC schedule and didn't have to play ARK, LSU OR BAMA. If so he this wouldn't even be a debate.

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  • Pedro Guerrero said...

    Are playing well in/winning big games and taking care of the football factors to be considered when ranking the best QBs in a given league?

    apparently not when people are paying $$$$$ in contracts

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  • BOL_Andrea Doria said...

    I was thinking the question was "Rank the SEC QBs" not "Who will get drafted higher"

    As was I.

    Pedro Guerrero

  • Bamafan8 said...

    And both are outstanding WRs. I'm just pointed out the fact that while the whole debate of who was better while both were in college, UGA fans went to stats. Which are obviously skewed do to offensive philosophy.

    Just be glad Murray and the puppies caught the mercy of the SEC schedule and didn't have to play ARK, LSU OR BAMA. If so he this wouldn't even be a debate.

    UGA fans does not equal me. To even give a sh*t is naive.

    BTW we played LSU this year. An dwe are gonna be playing one next year... kinda how the system works. shrug

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  • jkt360 said...

    apparently not when people are paying $$$$$ in contracts

    Based on what, exactly?

    Pedro Guerrero

  • jkt360 said...

    Sorry OP meant to say list QB stats and do not use brain

    I don't really understand what the argument is Murray is in the Top 3-4, that isn't even a question.

    Personally I'd put Wilson #1 and Murray #2 right now and say that AJ has as much upside as either of them and that Shaw will get much better next year as well, with Bray and Mettenberger as wild cards and who knows what Franklin will do.

    I think next year could be a pretty good year for QBs in the SEC.

    Andrea Doria

  • Pedro Guerrero said...

    As was I.

    In your opinion stats are a better indication of whose better, IMO draft position is a better indicator. Sure there are exceptions Known as "busts". But for the most part it's pretty accurate.

    If you had a team you would take Alshon and Sidney Rice over Julio and AJ. Good Luck with that.

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  • Pedro Guerrero said...

    Based on what, exactly?

    Stafford

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  • BOL_Andrea Doria said...

    I don't really understand what the argument is Murray is in the Top 3-4, that isn't even a question.

    Personally I'd put Wilson #1 and Murray #2 right now and say that AJ has as much upside as either of them and that Shaw will get much better next year as well, with Bray and Mettenberger as wild cards and who knows what Franklin will do.

    I think next year could be a pretty good year for QBs in the SEC.

    Agree that Murray is in top 3-4, but only because everyone behind say 5 QBs in the SEC are garbage cans. I wouldn't trade McCarron for him. Wouldn't even have to think about it. .

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  • BOL_Andrea Doria said...

    I don't really understand what the argument is Murray is in the Top 3-4, that isn't even a question.

    Personally I'd put Wilson #1 and Murray #2 right now and say that AJ has as much upside as either of them and that Shaw will get much better next year as well, with Bray and Mettenberger as wild cards and who knows what Franklin will do.

    I think next year could be a pretty good year for QBs in the SEC.

    If youll go back and read I've never disagreed with anybodys ranking. Only a few people's reasoning that Murray is not good due to inability of TEAM to win big games. If they had ranked him 12th and never made that point, I would have said nothing. To each his own, but that is flawed reasoning.

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  • jkt360 said...

    If youll go back and read I've never disagreed with anybodys ranking. Only a few people's reasoning that Murray is not good due to inability of TEAM to win big games. If they had ranked him 12th and never made that point, I would have said nothing. To each his own, but that is flawed reasoning.

    Yea I know, wasn't specifically pointing you out just more talking about the general theme of the "argument".

    I think for the first time in a while the SEC has a chance to have a nice crop of NFL QBs in the next few years. Some of them still obviously have quite a bit to prove, but there are a lot of NFL QB "bodies" in the league right now.

    Wilson, McCarron, Bray, Mettenberger. And Murray and Shaw are both a little small to be prototypical NFL QB's but both have shown that can make throws to overcome that, Murray especially.

    Should be an interesting 2012.

    Andrea Doria

  • jkt360 said...

    OK dr. logic tell me how Matt Stafford was a #1 overall and show me what big games he won... Greg McElroy never lost a game as a starting QB until his Junior year in College. Is he better than Murray? Is he better than Stafford?

    Surely you can follow my point cause you were able to figure out how to type. If you point is Murray is not good because he has not won big games, and then I show you QB's who also did not and are very good even #1 Overall NFL draft picks who didn't win big games, then you reasoning is flawed. Not that difficult IMO

    How did you guess my real name? But, that's with a capital "L." Let's not get too nasty and stop having fun. As I said before, Murray is very talented as is Stafford. Stafford being as talented as any QB in recent memory. But, the ability to will your team to victory is also a very important ability for a QB. To me, what matters most for a QB is his ability to win. Certainly McElroy isn't as talented as Murray or Stafford. But, he wins big games. Heck, he even seems to play better in big games. That has to mean something. And, I never said Murray wasn't "good" (your words, not mine). For the third time, I said he's very talented.

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  • goodnews said...

    How did you guess my real name? But, that's with a capital "L." Let's not get too nasty and stop having fun. As I said before, Murray is very talented as is Stafford. Stafford being as talented as any QB in recent memory. But, the ability to will your team to victory is also a very important ability for a QB. To me, what matters most for a QB is his ability to win. Certainly McElroy isn't as talented as Murray or Stafford. But, he wins big games. Heck, he even seems to play better in big games. That has to mean something. And, I never said Murray wasn't "good" (your words, not mine). For the third time, I said he's very talented.

    If we had McElroy we would be worse than Tennessee IMO.

    It would be cool to see an All-SEC team play other conferences. I think people on our offense aren't always used to there best abilities and a game like that would be a better indication of their skills. Take AJ in the NFL this year for example. Did we use him like that? no

    This post was edited by SmithDawg48 on 1/11/2012 at 2:53 PM

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  • jkt360 said...

    Stafford

    Stafford in 2008:

    Alabama: 274 yards passing, 2 TD, 1 INT
    @ Arizona State: 285 yards passing, 1 TD, 0 INT
    @LSU: 249 yards passing, 2 TDs, 0 INT
    Georgia Tech: 407 yards passing, 5 TD, 1 INT
    Michigan State: 250 yards passing, 3 TD, 1 INT

    And I certainly don't recall him committing backbreaking fumbles like it was his job.

    Pedro Guerrero

  • Pedro Guerrero said...

    Stafford in 2008:

    Alabama: 274 yards passing, 2 TD, 1 INT @ Arizona State: 285 yards passing, 1 TD, 0 INT @LSU: 249 yards passing, 2 TDs, 0 INT Georgia Tech: 407 yards passing, 5 TD, 1 INT Michigan State: 250 yards passing, 3 TD, 1 INT

    And I certainly don't recall him committing backbreaking fumbles like it was his job.

    Didn't "will the team to a win" as someone put it earlier. He also had a hell of a running game with Moreno and a solid OL.

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  • jkt360 said...

    Didn't "will the team to a win" as someone put it earlier. He also had a hell of a running game with Moreno and a solid OL.

    Don't disagree with any of that, but it in no way changes the fact that Stafford is in inapt comparison. As noted, he performed much better in real games than has Murray and did not suffer from the same type of turnover issues.

    Murray obviously has a lot of ability -- I just find it hard to consider him the best QB in the league when he's hardly beaten a single team with a pulse and turns the ball over with great frequency and poor timing.

    Pedro Guerrero

  • jkt360 said...

    If we had McElroy we would be worse than Tennessee IMO.

    It would be cool to see an All-SEC team play other conferences. I think people on our offense aren't always used to there best abilities and a game like that would be a better indication of their skills. Take AJ in the NFL this year for example. Did we use him like that?

    I agree with you concerning McElroy. EVen though he won a lot of games, he's not in Murray's league talent wise. I really respect Coach Richt. But, AJ's talents probably could have been used to a greater degree.

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  • 1. T. Wilson (Arkansas) 2. A. Murray (Georgia) 3. AJ. McCarron (Alabama)
    wildcard - Z. Mettenberger (LSU)

    K. Frazier(Auburn) - can you rate them below 16 ?

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Pedro Guerrero said...

    Don't disagree with any of that, but it in no way changes the fact that Stafford is in inapt comparison. As noted, he performed much better in real games than has Murray and did not suffer from the same type of turnover issues.

    Murray obviously has a lot of ability -- I just find it hard to consider him the best QB in the league when he's hardly beaten a single team with a pulse and turns the ball over with great frequency and poor timing.

    IMO no QB in this league has won a big game. Their team has. UA, LSU don't win with their QB play. And, being that all conversations on this board are driven by statistics, statistically a QB who is carrying more weight than his own on an offense and tries to compensate for other lacking areas will have turnovers (see Brett Favre). The fact is Stafford had a LSU, UA quality OL with 4 RBs who went to the league. But your right it is hard to compare them. But as I said before, people like AJ Green who has played with both of them have sung heisman like praises for Murray.

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