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  • dpfenny said...

    This is nothing compared to 2000 and 2004.

    Yes. Liberals get so much more bitter than Conservatives when they lose elections...

    Both sides get bitter, just how it is. No need to say liberals are worse at it. When it's the party that disagrees with you spewing bitter nonsense, it's always gonna seem worse.

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  • CMXI said...

    Look, we're going in circles. I'm not attacking your hard work to provide for your daughters, so please stop taking everything I say in that manner.

    I'm saying that it's a very middle-class attitude to believe that we're all on a level playing field and anyone can "work your way up." For a large percentage of the people in the U.S., they don't "get back what they put into it." As an attorney, I work 60-80, sometimes 100 hours/week, and I'm very well-compensated for my work. While yes, I've put in a considerable amount of work to get to where I am today, I freely admit that there are millions of people who work longer hours, in more demanding jobs, and get paid a fraction of what I do. I have friends who worked just as hard as I did in every possible respect from day one, who aren't nearly as successful as I am, and conversely, I have some friends who are more successful than I am, and have put in less work.

    As I pointed out in the New York Times article I cited a few pages back, the most accurate predictor of where you'll end up on the income scale is where you start, i.e. the income level in which you were raised. Personally, I don't think that's fair. That's not the land of opportunity. When the number-one predictor of future financial success is how much money your parents made, and not how hard you work, or the number of hours you put in at the job, something needs to change.

    Now, you may or may not agree with that last point. You also may not feel any obligation to your fellow man, and if you want to adopt the "screw you, I got mine" attitude, that's your prerogative. Personally, I follow Carnegie's "Gospel of Wealth" - I believe it's my duty, as a successful citizen of the United States, to work towards ensuring that every other citizen has the same opportunities I had. If that's the main point of disagreement between you and I, so be it.

    How philanthropic are you?

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  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Repubs simply need to lean libertarian and they will dominate.

    Instead of Republicans leaning Libertarian there needs to be a strong third party like the Libertarian Party. Until we have more than two choices for a Presidential election, nothing will get fixed IMHO.

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  • CMXI said...

    Look, we're going in circles. I'm not attacking your hard work to provide for your daughters, so please stop taking everything I say in that manner.

    I'm saying that it's a very middle-class attitude to believe that we're all on a level playing field and anyone can "work your way up." For a large percentage of the people in the U.S., they don't "get back what they put into it." As an attorney, I work 60-80, sometimes 100 hours/week, and I'm very well-compensated for my work. While yes, I've put in a considerable amount of work to get to where I am today, I freely admit that there are millions of people who work longer hours, in more demanding jobs, and get paid a fraction of what I do. I have friends who worked just as hard as I did in every possible respect from day one, who aren't nearly as successful as I am, and conversely, I have some friends who are more successful than I am, and have put in less work.

    As I pointed out in the New York Times article I cited a few pages back, the most accurate predictor of where you'll end up on the income scale is where you start, i.e. the income level in which you were raised. Personally, I don't think that's fair. That's not the land of opportunity. When the number-one predictor of future financial success is how much money your parents made, and not how hard you work, or the number of hours you put in at the job, something needs to change.

    Now, you may or may not agree with that last point. You also may not feel any obligation to your fellow man, and if you want to adopt the "screw you, I got mine" attitude, that's your prerogative. Personally, I follow Carnegie's "Gospel of Wealth" - I believe it's my duty, as a successful citizen of the United States, to work towards ensuring that every other citizen has the same opportunities I had. If that's the main point of disagreement between you and I, so be it.

    Not all jobs are equal. No way a knucle dragger digging a ditch for should be paid the same as the engineer who designed that ditch. There are plenty of people who countless hours at menial jobs, and that is all the will ever do. I was a laborer at one time. I was talking to another laborer who was in his 40's. I asked him why he wasn't an operator yet? He didn't want to be. More responsibilty and he liked hard labour. I thought he was idiot, but it takes all kinds to build roads. You can work your way up in America, it isn't easy. I don't know what you don't understand about that. Some may have a harder time getting to the "top", but with work and perseverance, they can get there, or close to it.

    I see no problem with the leading predictor of where someone ends up on the income scale being where they start. Somebody put the work in to get them there. Donald Trumps kids have a headstart, good for them that they had a dad that made sure his children were setup. Same with the Kennedy's, the Walton's, the Bush's... I don't have a problem with that at all.

    Good for following Carnegie. We all have our calling and/or follow what we believe. There are a few words from James that I hold dear, we are to take care of the orphans and widows.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Not all jobs are equal. No way a knucle dragger digging a ditch for should be paid the same as the engineer who designed that ditch. There are plenty of people who countless hours at menial jobs, and that is all the will ever do. I was a laborer at one time. I was talking to another laborer who was in his 40's. I asked him why he wasn't an operator yet? He didn't want to be. More responsibilty and he liked hard labour. I thought he was idiot, but it takes all kinds to build roads. You can work your way up in America, it isn't easy. I don't know what you don't understand about that. Some may have a harder time getting to the "top", but with work and perseverance, they can get there, or close to it.

    I see no problem with the leading predictor of where someone ends up on the income scale being where they start. Somebody put the work in to get them there. Donald Trumps kids have a headstart, good for them that they had a dad that made sure his children were setup. Same with the Kennedy's, the Walton's, the Bush's... I don't have a problem with that at all.

    Good for following Carnegie. We all have our calling and/or follow what we believe. There are a few words from James that I hold dear, we are to take care of the orphans and widows.

    I agree that hard work can help you reach many of your goals, but I do think it's a bit naive to assume that America is strictly a meritocracy when it comes to moving up in the workplace. This is just based off of my experiences, yours could be completely different.

    Edit: It's actually not limited to only the workplace imo.

    This post was edited by hownowbrowncow on 11/8/2012 at 2:32 PM

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Yes. Liberals get so much more bitter than Conservatives when they lose elections...

    Both sides get bitter, just how it is. No need to say liberals are worse at it. When it's the party that disagrees with you spewing bitter nonsense, it's always gonna seem worse.

    I don't think libs are worse at it in general, they just were when it came to Bush. It is going to be hard to top the classlessness that went on during the Bush years.

    dpfenny

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Not all jobs are equal. No way a knucle dragger digging a ditch for should be paid the same as the engineer who designed that ditch. There are plenty of people who countless hours at menial jobs, and that is all the will ever do. I was a laborer at one time. I was talking to another laborer who was in his 40's. I asked him why he wasn't an operator yet? He didn't want to be. More responsibilty and he liked hard labour. I thought he was idiot, but it takes all kinds to build roads. You can work your way up in America, it isn't easy. I don't know what you don't understand about that. Some may have a harder time getting to the "top", but with work and perseverance, they can get there, or close to it.

    I see no problem with the leading predictor of where someone ends up on the income scale being where they start. Somebody put the work in to get them there. Donald Trumps kids have a headstart, good for them that they had a dad that made sure his children were setup. Same with the Kennedy's, the Walton's, the Bush's... I don't have a problem with that at all.

    Good for following Carnegie. We all have our calling and/or follow what we believe. There are a few words from James that I hold dear, we are to take care of the orphans and widows.

    I think you would have loved the feudal era . . .

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  • dpfenny said...

    I don't think libs are worse at it in general, they just were when it came to Bush. It is going to be hard to top the classlessness that went on during the Bush years.

    There were riots with people screaming "the south will rise again" to black people less than 48 hours ago in Mississippi. Yeah, gotta love that class!

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    I think you would have loved the feudal era . . .

    As long as I was royalty . . .

    You would have loved Lenin . . .

    Am I doing it right?

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 11/8/2012 at 3:18 PM

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    As long as I was royalty . . .

    You would have loved Lenin . . .

    Am I doing it right?

    Naw, that was a dictatorship. I'm not a Communist, nor am I a Socialist.

    I'd dig a philosopher king, but then again, I'd also like to kick it with Santa.

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  • Grand Slam said...

    If that means targeting policies toward the rich instead of the middle class you'd be wrong, but I also agree that all the social bullshit needs to be dropped.

    You do know Bush lowered taxes for the middle class right? "The Bush Tax Cuts" lowered EVERYBODIES taxes. Common misconception is that he only lowered rich people's.

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  • I3usdriver said...

    You do know Bush lowered taxes for the middle class right? "The Bush Tax Cuts" lowered EVERYBODIES taxes. Common misconception is that he only lowered rich people's.

    Well when the left continually repeated the false claim, and the media let it go unchecked...some sheeple actually think it was true.

    dpfenny

  • I3usdriver said...

    You do know Bush lowered taxes for the middle class right? "The Bush Tax Cuts" lowered EVERYBODIES taxes. Common misconception is that he only lowered rich people's.

    Seriously? No shit. Everyone is aware. That's not the point. When the very rich have done really well for a decade and everyone else hasn't, you can't run on cutting the very rich's taxes again. It's stupid..

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