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CliftonHokie09 said...
Your grandfather is the exception to the rule. Yes, our freedoms in markets allow people to become overnight successes, but the entire population of lower class citizens cannot become middle class and the entire middle class cannot become upper class. Too much government intervention is going to stagnate growth, but too little is going to cause the classes to grow farther and farther apart. There needs to be balance because people in general are willing to work. But not everyone is going to get that opportunity if there are challenges that prohibit growth.
Take example illegal immigrants. They come to the US and work jobs that most Americans do not want to do because they pay very little. They're illegal so they usually do jobs that require very little paperwork and in return are paid very little. Why not try to help them out to become citizens and provide them the opportunities to help our country? They're already willing to work a job that has very little satisfaction. Why not try to give them the opportunities to improve their job satisfaction. Increasing job satisfaction is going to improve their performance as well and thus help society. Same goes with the poor. Do people really believe that lower-income citizens really like collecting food stamps and welfare checks to survive on? I personally do not. They'd prefer to live in a nicer home and eat better food than what they currently have, but there are limitations that hurt them. Those who are poor were most likely born into poverty and therefore did not have childhoods to provide opportunities whether its education, parenting, healthy diets, etc that can prevent them from succeeding at an early age. Why not try to help them at an early age and their families so that they can succeed later down the road?
Our goal should be to keep poverty at a minimum. We cannot eliminate poverty, but we should try to make sure people do not stay in poverty throughout their lives.
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I can't believe that people don't realize how many people are content with living off the government. I know too many people that are like that. Either straight out do nothing or work as little as possible so they can still receive their money for doing nothing.
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CliftonHokie09 said...
Your grandfather is the exception to the rule. Yes, our freedoms in markets allow people to become overnight successes, but the entire population of lower class citizens cannot become middle class and the entire middle class cannot become upper class. Too much government intervention is going to stagnate growth, but too little is going to cause the classes to grow farther and farther apart. There needs to be balance because people in general are willing to work. But not everyone is going to get that opportunity if there are challenges that prohibit growth.
Take example illegal immigrants. They come to the US and work jobs that most Americans do not want to do because they pay very little. They're illegal so they usually do jobs that require very little paperwork and in return are paid very little. Why not try to help them out to become citizens and provide them the opportunities to help our country? They're already willing to work a job that has very little satisfaction. Why not try to give them the opportunities to improve their job satisfaction. Increasing job satisfaction is going to improve their performance as well and thus help society. Same goes with the poor. Do people really believe that lower-income citizens really like collecting food stamps and welfare checks to survive on? I personally do not. They'd prefer to live in a nicer home and eat better food than what they currently have, but there are limitations that hurt them. Those who are poor were most likely born into poverty and therefore did not have childhoods to provide opportunities whether its education, parenting, healthy diets, etc that can prevent them from succeeding at an early age. Why not try to help them at an early age and their families so that they can succeed later down the road?
Our goal should be to keep poverty at a minimum. We cannot eliminate poverty, but we should try to make sure people do not stay in poverty throughout their lives.
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xxmgobluexx said...
I can't believe that people don't realize how many people are content with living off the government. I know too many people that are like that. Either straight out do nothing or work as little as possible so they can still receive their money for doing nothing.
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vtfan_90 said...
The Gov't is to blame partially. They make it way to easy: like unemployment you are supposed to apply for 2 jobs a week or whatever the requirement is. All you have to do is apply to places you are not qualified for and you will never get a job. Nobody ever checks up on that.
The Gov't just hands out money left and right to people and have no idea where the money ends up. Pathetic really pisses me off thinking about it.
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xxmgobluexx said...
I am on my phone, at work, so my responses are brief, and attention span short.
My grandfather wasn't an overnight success, it took him 30+ years to get at the level he is at today. Highs and lows along the way, with times where he didn't get paid for weeks so that his employees did. There was a time where he thought he would have to fold up shop. The majority of people would have quit way before my grandfather ever thought of doinf such a thing.
As for the willing to work, I don't agree with your assessment. Too many people are willing to just do enough to get the minimum, for them. The minimun for some is doing nothing, others McDonald's, others a shop, others a union job, others an education that opens the door for more. Hell, some that that education and use it to do the minimim in their chosen profession.
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vtfan_90 said...
I know people that have quit their job once they found out everything they could get off the gov't.. Needless to say I do not associate myself with people like that.. Not that I think I'm better than they are but they are part of the reason the country is in the shape its in.
Its amazing how many people have no personal pride.
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MarylandDawg said...
Repubs need to make a stance on social issues that they will no longer push any religious agenda on any of it. We don't want.Govt telling us how.to.do.anything except.for every.social.issue ? Doesn't make sense.
Chris Christie is the first true fiscal.conservative in awhile IMO
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xxmgobluexx said...
But it isn't just about getting rich, it is the opportunity that you mentioned earlier. I been to Africa and seen people working their ass off. They still have no opportunity. In America, if you are willing to work, then the opportunity for more is there for you. My Grandfather was a farmer. My dad was born into a poor family and worked his way out of a cycle. My Father in Law came to Michigan with nothing but the willingness to work to give his family more. I could go on and on about coworkers/associates that through hard work obtained more than they were lotted. I could also go on about those that did as little as possible to get by, or were willing to maintain status quo, or those that lost everything...
Harder for Americans to Rise From Lower Rungs - NYTimes.com
Americans enjoy less economic mobility than their peers in Canada and much of Western Europe in part because of the depth of poverty, family background and the gaps between the rich and the rest.
www.nytimes.com CMXI
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azvalleybuckeye said...
They make it easy because it wins them elections. Hence society is to blame.
People are voting because they get free shit, because of candidates skin color, etc.
WELL over 90% of black voters in OH voted for Obummer. Disgraceful IYAM.
Before Obummer, how often did Dems win Cincy?
This post was edited by ReasonableDoubt on 11/7/2012 at 2:09 PM
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Leppycole said...
Study economics - the influx will cause welfare and the costs of Obamacare through the roof. The US is over populated as modern medicine is extending life expectancy beyond capacity. The largest generation in the history of the US will begin to retire in 2013 - the costs to this nation to take care of those who took care of us will alone bankrupt the economy if we continue down the "borrowing from other countries" mentality - do the math.
Start thinking beyond the length of your nose.
History loves to repeat itself - when the influx of Mexicans start kicking you off your land - don't come crying to me
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CMXI said...
"In America, if you are willing to work, then the opportunity for more is there for you."
Wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Again, in your limited personal experience, this may be true. However, your experience is decidedly atypical. U.S. poverty rates dictate that large, large numbers of the children in this country are already starting at a massive disadvantage because of their socioeconomic status. The sheer cost of the necessary items for upward mobility further inhibit class movement.
92% of American men who have been in the bottom quintile don't make it to the top quintile of income. In contrast, over 60% of Americans born in the top quintile of income remain in the top two quintiles. It's a whole hell of a lot easier to stay in the middle or upper classes than it is to get there in the first place. This isn't even including poor immigrant families with language and cultural barriers to advancement.
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